he's no michael vick...
NFL Off-Season Thread: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?"
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he's no michael vick...
Grover Cleveland
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yankeehater
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I think it is a terrible trade for the Skins. No 1st round pick the following 2 years is really going to hurt them. They are going to have to do a great job drafting guys in the later rounds. That or try to fill in from FA, but we all know they are not going to be able to do that. Even if RGIII turns out to be really good I just dont see how they are going to put a great team around him. This seems like a move to get the fans excited and buy the coach an extra year or 2. The Rams are going to be so good in a few years though if they can draft well. Great move on their part.
Futurevoid
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mr2xxx said:don't worry, he'll take care of it.
Redskins record against the Giants since 2000: 8-16
Which qb other than Sam Bradford will they be fielding?
goldlion054
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cuevas. PhD.
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You do realize Im a bears fan right?
cuevas. PhD.
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What?! Why? Give him what he wants.
Futurevoid
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Update:
FrenchMovieTheme
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He looks like a white freeman who lost 700 pounds
Ninja Scooter
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first round picks are being really overrated. I saw a stat somewhere that the Patriots have ONE player drafted in the first rounds in the last 3 years that has amounted to anything (Mayo) and they just played in the Super Bowl. Yeah they gave up a lot but ultimately it's 2 players. As I said earlier, if 2 first round draft picks are what is between your franchise being successful or not, your franchise is going to suck anyway. There are plenty of other ways to add players.
That stat tells you nothing. How many first rounders were in their starting 33 is a more important number.
I think it's low so it supports your point withoutaking you look like a foooooool
darkside31337
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One stat not overrated - 8 of the 12 playoff teams had a first round pick starting QB. It's hard to go anywhere in the league when you have a "game manager" at QB or even worse a total revolving door as teams like the Redskins have had.
Ninja Scooter
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well actually the stat was from 06 to 08 they drafted one guy in the FIRST THREE ROUNDS that amounted to anything. As I said earlier, yes it makes it harder to not have first round picks, but a lot of first rounders are crap shoots anyway. You guys act like every team that bombs on a first round pick is set back 5 years or something.
Who else is surprised that the no. 1 Packer fan is a huge fan of steroids?
That is a horrible take away from that dude. The Pats would have won that Superbowl if they knew what the fuck they were doing in the draft. They are winning on smoke and mirrors on offense and hope that their prayers to Satan will sustain their shit defense. Also the Pats almost always trade away their high picks to stockpile more mid-round and lower picks. They have not had a lot of high first rounders.
Maybe it is because you are a Redskins fan but if you want to maintain a franchise and is good year in and year out for an extended period of time you really have to kick ass in the draft. And your best chance of finding blue chippers @ any position is in the first round. There are not that many James Harrisons and Wes Welkers that you can just pull out of your ass.
I noticed that you listed the weather as a downfall in Denver. That is a valid concern, but Elway did just fine in the cold and I'm sure Peyton can handle it as well.
As far as team concerns, I don't think you give Denver any credit in terms of what they have in place and where they are going.
The oline did a damn good job this year. At times Tebow had all day in terms of protection. Tebow held the ball and was slow. If it was Peyton the ball would be gone. They are a solid unit.
Our receivers are decent. Decker was off to a good start with Orton, and when Tebow came in production slowed considerably. Thomas was hurt for a good portion of the year, but as the Steelers game showed, he is a good up and coming WR. Royal can be productive as well in the right offense. TE is somewhat of a dark spot, but we have a decent rookie in Julius Thomas or we could pickup someone else.
Defense is decent, just need to plug a few holes at mainly at DT and CB.
With the right moves we can be a contender in the AFC. Especially with the addition of Manning. It's not really settling, and we have the draft and FA (with the cap space) to shore things up.
if the Bears give him that kind of money in FA I hope the McCaskey's have enough good sense to fire Phil Emery. that would be fucking stupid to sign a 30 yr old receiver to that kind of contract. you remember moose mohammed right?
Who else is surprised that a henpecked Mr. Mom bionic can't read? (notice the part about being against it in sports unless it is legal?)
why do skins fans/analysts keep talking this down to "we only gave up two 1st picks." When you trade three players for one, a team doesn't say "yeah, but we really only gave up two players." At least say "it cost us two first rounders to swap positions". Just seems disingenuous.
And I'm surprised yankeehater is playing up the importance of a first considering how casually the eagles wasted one last year.
yankeehater
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I think the Pats are a bit of an outlier in this case, they tend to trade down and even out of the 1st round a lot. How many 1st round picks do teams like the Steelers and Giants have would be more interesting to me. I dont know the answer o maybe you are right and 1st rounders are over-rated.
This is the 2nd time I have seen you say this about Watkins, I dont understand what you are talking about. Watkins looked really good once he became the starter. Of all the player that are 1st round busts it seems really odd that you would pick n him.
I was more interested in the part where your child and future children are holding you back from becoming the Midwest's version of the Situation!
i rather professional sports drop the charade that they have an effective testing policy that is actively trying to prevent the athletes from using PEDs. most pro's are walking chem labs. the users are 2 steps ahead of testing, so it's laughable really.
and the indignation from the people when someone finally gets caught is always hilarious. OH THE SANCTITY OF THE GAME.
and the indignation from the people when someone finally gets caught is always hilarious. OH THE SANCTITY OF THE GAME.
Ninja Scooter
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I'm not denying that the "best chance" of finding blue chippers is in the first round, but all I'm saying is not having those picks isn't the end of the world. Yes it makes it a LOT harder to add talent but not impossible. Skins actually have like 6 or 7 other picks this year and a good amount in the next 2. They have will opportunities to add players. It's not impossible to build a successful team. It's a cheap and lazy narrative to just say "No first round picks for 2 years? That team is fucked!"
Also like someone else mentioned, if you don't' have a QB in this league, it doesn't matter how many blue chip OL or cornerbacks you add in the first round, you are going nowhere.
BakedPigeon
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I know that all this Manning reporting and information is getting old and stale and no one really knows for sure what will happen until he chooses a team to sign with. However, can someone explain to me why different outlets are saying the Broncos are the favorites and have the slight edge. Is it because all that cap space? Because that does ot give them the edge IMO.
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First don't use the Steelers at the end of the season to prove any point. We are an old team and were busted as fuck going into the playoffs. If you had done it in October then your point might be more valid.
And you prove my point. Yeah the Broncos could be a powerhouse if they shored up the holes on their defense, and got an elite tight end, and two receivers. But who the fuck cares? The same is true of every team. If you hit a few homeruns in the draft within a short period of time and have a good qb you will contend.
I agree that Elway played in the cold, but he started his career there and had TD to carry him at the end. Who will carry Peyton if he goes to Denver next year?
I still think he would rather go to a dome team that is built to win now, but who knows, maybe no one is interested and Denver is the best option available.
Ninja Scooter
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Skins drafting has actually gotten a LOT better since they canned Cerrato. They've added a decent amount of young talent to this team. They are going to have to get on their game though. I don't have the utmost faith in Shanahan and Allen, and personally I think Shanny is stopgap anyway and won't be with the team in a couple years, but they are certainly more capable than what Cerrato was doing 3 years ago.
They're no different than anything else when used responsibly and intelligently.
From what I understand, it is basically that we have more cap space, a better oline, weaker division in general, decent defense, and Elway (if this means anything). Against us we are outdoors, and have fewer established weapons in the offense. That's the jist of it.
Don't need elite TE or WR to do it. The guys we have with Manning will be much more productive. Grab Clark and pair him with Manning again, and continue to develop our TE. Draft a low round RB to compliment and replace McGahee. It's fairly simple to fix.
Same with the defense. Draft or sign a FA to plug the current holes.
If we would have had a guy that was more consistent with throwing the ball, a lot of those close games wouldn't have been so close.
Squall ASF
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I think it's just from the bullshit propaganda that Denver reporters have been trying to spread like that laughable 95 percent comment. They are only helping our cause, Peyton doesn't like stuff like that being out there. He's been trying to get the teams to stay tight lipped on his visit. That's why Denver wisely refuted that report as quickly as possible. I honestly would be very surprised if we don't get him at this point.
As much as I give the Packers shit about steroids the truth is that no one gives a shit in football. People like to see big hits and they like to see giant guys on their team.
Hell my boy Harrison's insanity is probably partially explained by ODing on HGH and roids. James ain't no B though and he won't hide his massive Bonds like head behind a woman's hair, unlike some OTHER OLBs who I won't name...
you sure that was me? Don't recall saying that here but maybe.
And no, I would certainly not consider him an outright bust, but I just feel he didn't help them last year and a different pick could have been a big difference for the team.
That only happens if you bomb with a 1st round QB.
The studies done by economists show that the middle part of the first is where the talent is, or at least offers the best bang per dollar. With the new CBA this may no longer hold true. First round picks are more likely to be stars. There's no denying that first rounders help you more than any other selection.
But yeah, it can be a crap shoot, and you can find diamonds throughout the draft, but it's more likely that you'll find a good starter in the 1st than 3rd.
wasn't it funny that an OLB who won't be named had a mysterious drop in production when the NFL reportedly instituted HGH testing.
FrenchMovieTheme
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Damn you are desperate. I feel sorry for the cards. If they don't get manning their season is already in the shitter!
yankeehater
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The OL was terrible the year before and really solid last year. A lot of that credit goes to Mudd of course but I was really happy with how that pick turned out. The way the year turned out they definitely could have used help on D, but OL was there biggest need after the season before and that is why they took Watkins. I am not really sure who else was available at their pick who would have had more impact last year.
Ryan Leaf.That only happens if you bomb with a 1st round QB.
While I know that for non-fans of the team to realize things have changed, it'll take years... I get that. So take this for what it's worth. The scouting dept/FO has drastically improved. Like any regime, they've had some errors (McRibb) but they've had way more successes.
Out of 12 draft picks last year, 11 touched the field. I believe 8 started... The only player to never touch the field was put on IR during preseason cus he was injured. That player, Jarvis Jenkins was touted by the coaches to be the best player drafted, yes, better than Kerrigan.
In regards to free agency, they've grabbed Carriker, Bowen, and Coffield for great prices and it transformed the d-line. They grabbed Atogwe who played great once he healed up. Josh Wilson played decently at DB, opposite of Hall. They've added contributors who have worked their asses off and didn't break the bank.
But this is just my opinion and I understand that it'll take many years of this attitude to change the minds of anyone who doesn't follow the team.
Ryan Leaf.
JP Losman
Mike Williams, John McCargo, Marshawn Lynch (I like him but he was a failure), Leodis McKelvin, Aaron Maybin. Can't win when you're missing in the 1st.
Who doesn't need first round picks? Certainly not the Buffalo Bills.
Thanks to you guys I've started to call Josh Freeman fat in real life when discussing football with my friends. They all think I'm weird now.
use that Kosar pic for before and after comparisons.
2011 Rex Grossman (13) / John Beck (3)
2010 Donovan McNabb (13) / Rex Grossman (3)
2009 Jason Campbell (16)
2008 Jason Campbell (16)
2007 Jason Campbell (13) / Todd Collins (3)
2006 Mark Brunell (9) / Jason Campbell (7)
2005 Mark Brunell (15) / Patrick Ramsey (1)
2004 Mark Brunell (9) / Patrick Ramsey (7)
2003 Patrick Ramsey (11) / Tim Hasselbeck (5)
2002 Shane Matthews (7) / Patrick Ramsey (5) / Danny Wuerffel (4)
2001 Tony Banks (14) / Jeff George (2)
2000 Brad Johnson (11) / Jeff George (5)
1999 Brad Johnson (16)
1998 Trent Green (14) / Gus Frerotte (2)
1997 Gus Frerotte (13) / Jeff Hostetler (3)
1996 Gus Frerotte (16)
1995 Gus Frerotte (11) / Heath Shuler (5)
1994 Heath Shuler (8) / John Friesz (4) / Gus Frerotte (4)
1993 Mark Rypien (10) / Rich Gannon (4) / Cary Conklin (2)
That's all the justification that you need right there.
2010 Donovan McNabb (13) / Rex Grossman (3)
2009 Jason Campbell (16)
2008 Jason Campbell (16)
2007 Jason Campbell (13) / Todd Collins (3)
2006 Mark Brunell (9) / Jason Campbell (7)
2005 Mark Brunell (15) / Patrick Ramsey (1)
2004 Mark Brunell (9) / Patrick Ramsey (7)
2003 Patrick Ramsey (11) / Tim Hasselbeck (5)
2002 Shane Matthews (7) / Patrick Ramsey (5) / Danny Wuerffel (4)
2001 Tony Banks (14) / Jeff George (2)
2000 Brad Johnson (11) / Jeff George (5)
1999 Brad Johnson (16)
1998 Trent Green (14) / Gus Frerotte (2)
1997 Gus Frerotte (13) / Jeff Hostetler (3)
1996 Gus Frerotte (16)
1995 Gus Frerotte (11) / Heath Shuler (5)
1994 Heath Shuler (8) / John Friesz (4) / Gus Frerotte (4)
1993 Mark Rypien (10) / Rich Gannon (4) / Cary Conklin (2)
That's all the justification that you need right there.
yankeehater
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I will say that the Skins do seem less inclined to give big contracts to washed up players like they used to so maybe things are turned around. Are the skins going to re-sign Landry and Fletcher? Their D already took a backwards step last year, I cant imagine them having to replace both guys in the same off-season.
a us senator/governor(cant remember what heath became and a qb that could sling 85 yards!
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