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NFL Pre-Preseason Thread |OT| Milana Vayntrub presents "Wet Dreaming of a Super Bowl"
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DeaconKnowledge
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Yay Cam!
Let's celebrate Peezy!
Let's celebrate Peezy!
Coldnoodle
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Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Real talk though, Shiner is good beer
WesternHeretic
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Going out tonight on a Thursday!
Is it jak approved?
Move.
Goro Majima
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Jak would drink moonshine mixed with antifreeze, let's be real.
There's more than one kind of Shiner here. Birthday Beer is my favorite.
sf2fanatic
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Is Big Ben growing a beard? I thought I saw him on TVG chilling at Del Mar racetrack.
8 X 11 Printer Paper
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RellyRell28
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Playoff Record: 7-12
Lmfao the last time they won a playoff game they went to 7-4.
*dead*
Edit: Ant-Man was pretty good btw
I don't understand the desire of people to defend Floyd Mayweather in any capacity.
Arian Foster really is the best.
Arian Foster really is the best.
I should send him a tweet
Sneak peek: Stafford does a new Dish Network commercial
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/n...t-lions-matthew-stafford-commercial/29921487/
I love Shiner Oktoberfest and Shiner Light Blonde. O////O
Prickly pear and ruby red bird are the best.
I saw a young man wearing a white Brandon Weeden Browns jersey few days ago.
No idea what prompted him to go out and buy one, but hey, it's his money.
Been saying it for a while but BRB put up a page that backs up my point that DeAndre Hopkins is severely underrated as a WR:
http://www.battleredblog.com/2015/7...the-way-for-enormous-deandre-hopkins-contract
Remember he did this with Schaub imploding his rookie year, Case Keenum, Fitzmagic, Mallett and Savage.
http://www.battleredblog.com/2015/7...the-way-for-enormous-deandre-hopkins-contract
Remember he did this with Schaub imploding his rookie year, Case Keenum, Fitzmagic, Mallett and Savage.
Confrontation
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When I saw this post, I was like "wtf, Mech, Gordon has to be up there and he isn't mentioned, fuck outta here with those bogus lists". Then I checked the article and I see they mentioned receivers who just got paid or will get paid. Just shaking my head after seeing those Gordon numbers.
Catches: 137
Yrds: 2,451
Yrds/r: 17.9
TDs: 14
Gms missed: 2
WesternHeretic
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Confrontation
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"Deep down in Louisiana close to New Orleans"
Is two hours away close?
Confrontation
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It's the first line to an amazing, classic song.
It's okay Mech, these ignorant sluts refuse to see the truth. They'll all see, BOB will make sure of it.
#inBOBwetrust
DeaconKnowledge
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Martavis Bryant has 8 Touchdowns after one season, and he missed the first 6 games. His YPC is 21.1 He had a TD every 3.3 Receptions.
Amazing work by DT with the dual headed dragon of Orton and Tebow pumping up his rookie and sophmore season stats. Throw in an ACL injury and it's surprising the guy is even on that list.
Goro Majima
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Coldnoodle
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What were you guys eating?
DeaconKnowledge
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There is little doubt that after winning his second MVP award in 2014, Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback in the NFL.
What does remain in doubt is who ranks second on that list.
Arguments can be made for Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Drew Brees or Super Bowl XLIX MVP Tom Brady. But when all of the evidence is weighed, the Pittsburgh Steelers' Ben Roethlisberger is now the second-best quarterback in the NFL.
Roethlisberger had a fantastic 2014 season. He was tied for the league lead in passing yards (4,952) and actually led that category if penalty play (e.g. pass interference, defensive holding, etc.) yards were included. Roethlisberger tied for third in yards per dropback (7.5) and ranked third in yards per attempt (YPA) (8.1), completions (408) and completion percentage (67.1).
EDITOR'S PICKS
Joyner: Steelers are favorites in AFC Ben Roethlisberger's elite numbers and the presence of the best wide receiver in football are among the reasons Pittsburgh is the team to beat in the AFC. A major factor in the upper-tier placement in these metrics was Roethlisberger's elite passing totals on vertical throws (aerials traveling 11 or more yards downfield). He placed third in vertical Total QBR (97.9) and was tied for the highest vertical YPA total among quarterbacks with 200 or more attempts at that depth level.
What makes these rankings even more impressive is Roethlisberger posted these figures while doing a fantastic job of protecting the football.
He was second only to Rodgers in bad decision rate (BDR) among quarterbacks with 500 or more pass attempts last year. BDR measures how often a passer makes a mental error that leads to a turnover opportunity for the opposing team.
This had been an area that Roethlisberger struggled in previous seasons, but his 0.8 percent BDR in 2014 indicates he made a mistake of this nature fewer than once in every 100 pass attempts. This was also an area of strength on the vertical passes, as Roethlisberger had the lowest vertical BDR among passers with 100 or more vertical attempts.
That is a very strong case for Roethlisberger. Now let's take a look at his competitors.
Peyton Manning, Denver Broncos
Manning ended the 2014 campaign with some impressive numbers, but his statistics faltered badly down the stretch. From Weeks 10-17, Manning posted a 10.8 vertical YPA mark that ranked 15th in the league. During that same span, he also had seven bad decisions on vertical passes, a major reason he finished tied for 25th in interception percentage (6.5 percent) in that time frame.
The Denver brain trust knows that asking a 39-year-old quarterback to carry an offense for an entire 16-game regular season and playoff run is not a good idea. It's one of many reasons the Broncos are going to more of a run-heavy system this year. It's also a good argument for why Manning can longer be considered the second-best quarterback in the league.
Tom Brady, New England Patriots
Leading his Patriots to a Super Bowl win puts Brady into contention here, but his metrics quickly rule him out.
Tom Brady won the Super Bowl, but the metrics show his 2014 numbers weren't elite. Elsa/Getty Images Last year, Brady ranked tied for 18th in YPA (7.1). The quarterbacks he was tied with were Drew Stanton, Matthew Stafford, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick and Austin Davis. Teddy Bridgewater had a higher YPA (7.3). So did Brian Hoyer YPA (7.6), Shaun Hill (7.2) and Mark Sanchez (7.8).
Brady was just as bad on vertical passes, as his 10.5 YPA there ranked 20th. One may be tempted to blame that mark on the Patriots' wide receivers, but Kansas City's Alex Smith, a quarterback whose wide receivers accounted for zero touchdown passes last season, had a higher vertical YPA (11.0). Smith also did not have the benefit of throwing to Rob Gronkowski, who led all tight ends in vertical yards (609).
If the statistical gap was closer than this, it might be possible to put Brady over Roethlisberger, but this metric distance is just too far to give Brady the win.
Andrew Luck, Indianapolis Colts
Luck may be the best young quarterback in the NFL, but he still makes too many mistakes. Luck ranked tied for 24th in BDR and tied for 18th in interception percentage. He also had 13 fumbles (ranked 33rd among quarterbacks) and lost six of those (ranked tied for 32nd).
Add in placing 23rd in completion percentage and ranking 12th in Total QBR, and it shows Luck has a lot of improvement to make in order to be classified among the top two passers in the NFL.
Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints
Brees' prolific numbers could give him the strongest alternate case for this spot, but even he had more than a few signs of decline last year.
Brees placed 11th in YPA and tied for the second-most interceptions (17). The vertical game had long been a point of metric pride for Brees, but last year the Saints had only 52 pass plays of 20 or more yards, the team's lowest total since 2010. Add in the loss of tight end Jimmy Graham and a likely move to more of a run-heavy attack for New Orleans, and it is enough to move Brees out of contention.
Bottom line
In addition to his top competition being in a declining state, Roethlisberger will benefit from the continued development of Martavis Bryant (a speedster who could give the Steelers an even better vertical passing game) and an offensive line that could be the best in the NFL. It all points toward Big Ben solidifying his claim as the second-best quarterback in the league.
What does remain in doubt is who ranks second on that list.
Arguments can be made for Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Drew Brees or Super Bowl XLIX MVP Tom Brady. But when all of the evidence is weighed, the Pittsburgh Steelers' Ben Roethlisberger is now the second-best quarterback in the NFL.
Roethlisberger had a fantastic 2014 season. He was tied for the league lead in passing yards (4,952) and actually led that category if penalty play (e.g. pass interference, defensive holding, etc.) yards were included. Roethlisberger tied for third in yards per dropback (7.5) and ranked third in yards per attempt (YPA) (8.1), completions (408) and completion percentage (67.1).
EDITOR'S PICKS
Joyner: Steelers are favorites in AFC Ben Roethlisberger's elite numbers and the presence of the best wide receiver in football are among the reasons Pittsburgh is the team to beat in the AFC. A major factor in the upper-tier placement in these metrics was Roethlisberger's elite passing totals on vertical throws (aerials traveling 11 or more yards downfield). He placed third in vertical Total QBR (97.9) and was tied for the highest vertical YPA total among quarterbacks with 200 or more attempts at that depth level.
What makes these rankings even more impressive is Roethlisberger posted these figures while doing a fantastic job of protecting the football.
He was second only to Rodgers in bad decision rate (BDR) among quarterbacks with 500 or more pass attempts last year. BDR measures how often a passer makes a mental error that leads to a turnover opportunity for the opposing team.
This had been an area that Roethlisberger struggled in previous seasons, but his 0.8 percent BDR in 2014 indicates he made a mistake of this nature fewer than once in every 100 pass attempts. This was also an area of strength on the vertical passes, as Roethlisberger had the lowest vertical BDR among passers with 100 or more vertical attempts.
That is a very strong case for Roethlisberger. Now let's take a look at his competitors.
Peyton Manning, Denver Broncos
Manning ended the 2014 campaign with some impressive numbers, but his statistics faltered badly down the stretch. From Weeks 10-17, Manning posted a 10.8 vertical YPA mark that ranked 15th in the league. During that same span, he also had seven bad decisions on vertical passes, a major reason he finished tied for 25th in interception percentage (6.5 percent) in that time frame.
The Denver brain trust knows that asking a 39-year-old quarterback to carry an offense for an entire 16-game regular season and playoff run is not a good idea. It's one of many reasons the Broncos are going to more of a run-heavy system this year. It's also a good argument for why Manning can longer be considered the second-best quarterback in the league.
Tom Brady, New England Patriots
Leading his Patriots to a Super Bowl win puts Brady into contention here, but his metrics quickly rule him out.
Tom Brady won the Super Bowl, but the metrics show his 2014 numbers weren't elite. Elsa/Getty Images Last year, Brady ranked tied for 18th in YPA (7.1). The quarterbacks he was tied with were Drew Stanton, Matthew Stafford, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick and Austin Davis. Teddy Bridgewater had a higher YPA (7.3). So did Brian Hoyer YPA (7.6), Shaun Hill (7.2) and Mark Sanchez (7.8).
Brady was just as bad on vertical passes, as his 10.5 YPA there ranked 20th. One may be tempted to blame that mark on the Patriots' wide receivers, but Kansas City's Alex Smith, a quarterback whose wide receivers accounted for zero touchdown passes last season, had a higher vertical YPA (11.0). Smith also did not have the benefit of throwing to Rob Gronkowski, who led all tight ends in vertical yards (609).
If the statistical gap was closer than this, it might be possible to put Brady over Roethlisberger, but this metric distance is just too far to give Brady the win.
Andrew Luck, Indianapolis Colts
Luck may be the best young quarterback in the NFL, but he still makes too many mistakes. Luck ranked tied for 24th in BDR and tied for 18th in interception percentage. He also had 13 fumbles (ranked 33rd among quarterbacks) and lost six of those (ranked tied for 32nd).
Add in placing 23rd in completion percentage and ranking 12th in Total QBR, and it shows Luck has a lot of improvement to make in order to be classified among the top two passers in the NFL.
Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints
Brees' prolific numbers could give him the strongest alternate case for this spot, but even he had more than a few signs of decline last year.
Brees placed 11th in YPA and tied for the second-most interceptions (17). The vertical game had long been a point of metric pride for Brees, but last year the Saints had only 52 pass plays of 20 or more yards, the team's lowest total since 2010. Add in the loss of tight end Jimmy Graham and a likely move to more of a run-heavy attack for New Orleans, and it is enough to move Brees out of contention.
Bottom line
In addition to his top competition being in a declining state, Roethlisberger will benefit from the continued development of Martavis Bryant (a speedster who could give the Steelers an even better vertical passing game) and an offensive line that could be the best in the NFL. It all points toward Big Ben solidifying his claim as the second-best quarterback in the league.
Stopped reading there.
you don't think he is as good as those others?
TheLegendary
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It's been a while since I've been in here, but Gronk is currently standing next to me so I had to post. First thing I thought of was, what would Dutch would want me to say (or do, knowing him) to Gronk?
Alligatorjandro
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Touch him
Tell him to tell Brady not to cheat anymore.
Or who would win in a fight between him and watt.
Ben is clearly third behind Rodgers and Bradford.
yankeehater
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Foles put top 10 qb numbers in this offense. If healthy Bradford will do much better.