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That is one of the things that the league is supposedly pushing for in the new labor agreement. http://badjocks.com/2010/10/27/ncaa-nfl-working-on-policy-to-punish-college-football-cheaters/
NFL Week 13 2010 |OT| Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?
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Worse. The guys that give him way too much credit (Read: any) are the ones that didn't watch him play.tmdorsey said:
All he had was Leinart and JPout. Everyone was calling Cutler inexperienced and unproven because he hadn't played in a big game and came from Vandy.LJ11 said:
And you're kinda proving my own point with your points.
Drafting a project, whom you'd have to design an entire offense around, isn't something teams do often. You draft or recruit guys that fit in your system. If they felt that he was good enough (I haven't seen it personally) to transcend his current style/profile, then I could see it happening. Maybe the Tits take a chance at that type of QB, but that would be Jeff Fisher's last move as HC if he did since Bud loves him some VY. :lol
I think Freeman was further along coming out of college and it wasn't about decision making. Better footwork, accuracy, and he was more apt to look to make plays with his arm.
Although there are teams dumb enough to do it, I think people will look at the debacles the last couple of years and stay away. They stayed away from Jersey Shore and Scrambled Noodle. McDaniels must have gotten nervous and shat himself because of the split draft day schedule or something. I'm probably giving him too much credit.
PS: last coach to try and run the option close to full time is out of an NFL job.
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Seda said:
He agreed with the call.
I agree with you--I don't think that call had anything to do with Detroit losing that game. My MAJOR problem with the call is that NFL officials seem to be making up rules on the fly now. His initial explanation after the game was that the hit was a "non-football move." You can clearly see him two-hand shove Cutler in the back. It made no sense then and it doesn't make any sense now.
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I hope whoever they put in now goes ahead and starts Tebow! :lol
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Excellent. :lol
McDaniels is a douche, don't feel sorry for him at all, egomaniac.
@ Rors, last time I'll bring Newton up until offseason.
I think Newton can definitely improve on his footwork, that part of his game is only worsened when he's in the gun so much. Didn't mean to imply that you have to go full option, just employ him enough where he's a legit runner, not just a guy who takes off when his first or second read isn't there. Hopefully, for the team that drafts him anyway, he can advance his game beyond that as he progresses.
It'll be interesting, I think that fucker may go in the top 10/15, just a crazy thought but stranger things have happened. Vick's also helping his cause, Newton has a pretty big arm.
@ Rors, last time I'll bring Newton up until offseason.
I think Newton can definitely improve on his footwork, that part of his game is only worsened when he's in the gun so much. Didn't mean to imply that you have to go full option, just employ him enough where he's a legit runner, not just a guy who takes off when his first or second read isn't there. Hopefully, for the team that drafts him anyway, he can advance his game beyond that as he progresses.
It'll be interesting, I think that fucker may go in the top 10/15, just a crazy thought but stranger things have happened. Vick's also helping his cause, Newton has a pretty big arm.
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Poor Denver they are in such bad shape now. You gotta tip your hat to Bowlen though, next year they are going to be paying three coaches.
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eznark said:
This.
It is pretty awful.
I said I didn't hate them! My hate for the Pats was implied! We're cool! Everything's cool here!bionic77 said:
Yeah, something similar to what Reid used with Vick when he first got there might work in shotgun situations, but I don't know if Cam can be a full time dropback passer. That said, he has more of a chance than Tebow.LJ11 said:
Before McDaniels lost his HC duties (5 mins ago) I would have thought maybe McDaniels would bring in the pistol Herm Edwards style. Who knows what he had planned for The Teebs. He sure is selling jerseys, though!
You forgot he traded up to get Tebow.Seda said:
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Denard is a terrible Quarterback.Doomsayer said:
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I think without the Spygate II thing McDanials could have been kept till season end, and maybe even gotten a chance for one more season.
Just saw the news
This is a bit of a shock for a couple of reasons:
- The 6-0 start last year was a fluke. The Broncos overachieved like crazy and were lucky to even finish .500. Anyone thinking that they would (or should) have been able to build on that is crazy
- The Broncos are already paying out the rest of Shanahan's contract. McDaniels has at least 2 years left on his deal. So now Pat Bowlen is going to pay TWO coaches who aren't around?
- The team has been decimated by injuries, especially on the defensive side. On offense, their running game is just now starting to come around thanks to the oline finally getting healthy. Unfortunately it hasn't translated into wins due to aformentioned terrible defense.
- McDaniels has committed a lot of the team's future to Tebow (thanks to some questionable draft pick trades), someone who the jury is still out on whether he can succeed at this level. By tossing MCD out, there's no guarantee that the next coach will share that same belief in Tebow.
As recent as last week Josh McDaniels received a vote of confidence from Pat Bowlen, who cited a lot of the reasons I mentioned above as contributing to the team's record. My guess is something happened behind closed doors between the two that caused this sudden change of heart.
Overall I liked Josh McDaniels. I honestly believe he did the right thing by trading Cutler, who's a mega douche and who never really seemed to fit in there, and I still believe we got the better end of the deal when you factor in all the draft picks, and the fact that this year Orton has been a better QB than Cutler. As I mentioned in a previous week's thread, McDaniels is a fantastic offensive mind, and he gets the most out of his offensive talent (Brandon Lloyd anyone?)
His biggest downfall was the fact that he was given complete control of the team including personnel decisions, which makes absolutely NO sense to me. The entire reason Shanahan isn't here is because he made some terrible decisions during the draft and free agency which left the team perpetually stuck in mediocrity. So then why would you hand the keys over to a first time head coach without putting in a veteran GM to handle player personnel? Most, if not all of the criticisms leveled against him have to do with player personnel: namely the Cutler trade, and more importantly, the Peyton Hillis trade which may go down as one of the worst trades of the decade.
I have no idea who the interim coach will be since none of the team's assistants have shown any potential for a HC candidate. I just hope that the team has a big time head coaching candidate in mind (like say...Bill Cowher?) though given Pat Bowlen's impulsive decisions these last few years, thats highly unlikely.
This is a bit of a shock for a couple of reasons:
- The 6-0 start last year was a fluke. The Broncos overachieved like crazy and were lucky to even finish .500. Anyone thinking that they would (or should) have been able to build on that is crazy
- The Broncos are already paying out the rest of Shanahan's contract. McDaniels has at least 2 years left on his deal. So now Pat Bowlen is going to pay TWO coaches who aren't around?
- The team has been decimated by injuries, especially on the defensive side. On offense, their running game is just now starting to come around thanks to the oline finally getting healthy. Unfortunately it hasn't translated into wins due to aformentioned terrible defense.
- McDaniels has committed a lot of the team's future to Tebow (thanks to some questionable draft pick trades), someone who the jury is still out on whether he can succeed at this level. By tossing MCD out, there's no guarantee that the next coach will share that same belief in Tebow.
As recent as last week Josh McDaniels received a vote of confidence from Pat Bowlen, who cited a lot of the reasons I mentioned above as contributing to the team's record. My guess is something happened behind closed doors between the two that caused this sudden change of heart.
Overall I liked Josh McDaniels. I honestly believe he did the right thing by trading Cutler, who's a mega douche and who never really seemed to fit in there, and I still believe we got the better end of the deal when you factor in all the draft picks, and the fact that this year Orton has been a better QB than Cutler. As I mentioned in a previous week's thread, McDaniels is a fantastic offensive mind, and he gets the most out of his offensive talent (Brandon Lloyd anyone?)
His biggest downfall was the fact that he was given complete control of the team including personnel decisions, which makes absolutely NO sense to me. The entire reason Shanahan isn't here is because he made some terrible decisions during the draft and free agency which left the team perpetually stuck in mediocrity. So then why would you hand the keys over to a first time head coach without putting in a veteran GM to handle player personnel? Most, if not all of the criticisms leveled against him have to do with player personnel: namely the Cutler trade, and more importantly, the Peyton Hillis trade which may go down as one of the worst trades of the decade.
I have no idea who the interim coach will be since none of the team's assistants have shown any potential for a HC candidate. I just hope that the team has a big time head coaching candidate in mind (like say...Bill Cowher?) though given Pat Bowlen's impulsive decisions these last few years, thats highly unlikely.
Rorschach said:
Speaking of the pistol. I can't believe Arians is running that shit. Unreal.
McDaniels completely destroyed that franchise in 2 years.
Also, I think someone commented on it when it happened, but I just saw the video of Drew Stanton doing the dougie. :lol
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He's a Falcons fan. This is the second year he's watched football.eznark said:
Absolutely. It depends on how you measure a good Heisman group. Is it by pure talent or a college career?eznark said:
Cam Newton's clearly the best player in the country. He's just a stud running with the ball or throwing downfield. How often do you see a guy at his size gain a second level to separate like he did against Peterson in the LSU game.
Andrew Luck is going to be the 1st QB taken in the draft. Just an absolute stud even if he looks like a complete goofball.
LaMichael James is the best running back in the country. I've seen a lot of him over the last 2 years because one of my roommates is a huge Oregon fan, and I just love seeing this kid play. He gets this billing as a speed guy, but he runs hard with power inside. Guy breaks tackles that a man his size shouldn't be.
Kellen Moore is the most accurate QB and, frankly, I'd take him in one game over any other signal caller this year. Nobody should be angrier with Brotzman than this guy after that ridiculous 60-yard heave in regulation. He may be short and not have that strong of an arm, but he's deathly accurate and quick with his decision-making.
None of these guys have the longevity of guys like Bradford or Tebow in terms of name-recognition, but I'd say this is a better class than 2007 by either comparison.
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Kusagari said:
But he never looked at the tape, he swore.
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Hopefully now Quinn will get traded somewhere where he has a shot at starting. I still can't believe that between him and Derek Anderson, Anderson is the one that ended up with a starting job this year.
For some (deluded?) reason I think that Quinn could be a good QB in this league.
For some (deluded?) reason I think that Quinn could be a good QB in this league.
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