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[yankeehater]

you listen to too much Mike and Mike.

As long as Ted Thompson is the GM, that never happens.

I dont see the Packers doing that. I do think 3 or 4 years down the road they will retire his jersey.

 

[AirBrian]

Only two more weeks of Favre crap. Thank the good Lord that fucker is done.

 

[Fox318]

Only two more weeks of Favre crap. Thank the good Lord that fucker is done.

Just you wait.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Insane that Hester broke the record in 5 years. Astonishing actually.

I can't believe he has that many return TDs already. I don't watch too many Bears games, but that's amazing.

In college he truly was a return machine though. Even at The U, where Santana Moss was arguably the best return man in that school's history, Hester was simply phenomenal. His field vision is the best of any returner I've ever seen. You simply can't kick to him.

I'm still really surprised they haven't found a way to make him work well in the offense. You think he's just an end-around or jailbreak screen away from breaking one, but I don't think I've seen him explode in that manner. At least he learned how to catch. PEACE.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Just you wait.

I hope not. Henne is good enough at passing to the other team. I don't think we need grandpa to help out with that. PEACE.

 

[Wellington]

TMQ

Sweet Quarter of the Season After being down 31-10 on the road at Jersey/A with 8:17 remaining, the Eagles won. This comeback ranks with Buffalo's comeback from 35-3 against the old Houston Oilers in 1993. That comeback took an entire half; Philadelphia's warp-speed comeback happened in eight minutes. Maybe just maybe you've seen the highlights, so let's go straight to the things that made TMQ jump out of his chair: DeSean Jackson and the Giants' coaching...

As for the Giants' coaching: Has any coaching staff ever had a worse quarter? Ahead 31-10 with eight minutes remaining against the top big-play combination the NFL -- Michael Vick and Jackson -- if the Giants had gone to backed-off shell coverage and forced the Nesharim to nickel-and-dime their way down the field, the clock would have run out on any comeback. Instead, Giants defensive coordinator Perry Fewell ordered furious blitzing, and head coach Tom Coughlin did not overrule him.

Eagles trailing 30-10, first-and-10 on their 35 with 7:43 remaining, Fewell called a safety blitz, resulting in a 65-yard touchdown pass to Brent Celek. On the play, deep safety Kenny Phillips whiffed so badly that he air tackled. The morning of the game, The New York Times ran an article lavishly praising the Giants' secondary -- guess those players read the article. "We're never out of position," Phillips was quoted as boasting. On a first-half touchdown pass to Jeremy Maclin, the Giants were so out of position that no one covered Maclin. But the main point: Why safety blitz with a three-touchdown lead and less than eight minutes? Unless the plan was to humiliate the Eagles and then boast to the New York press. Humiliating an opponent is totally irrelevant; keep your focus on winning.

Vick's two big scrambles in the fourth quarter, for 35 and 33 yards, came against blitzes. Yes, the Giants sacked Vick twice in the first half on blitzes, but early in the contest, this tactic caught the Eagles by surprise. At halftime, they adjusted. Calling blitzes when protecting a late lead was like sending Vick an engraved invitation to make big plays, rather than forcing him to nickel-and-dime: "Dear Mr. Vick, please do us the honor of sprinting toward our end zone." Leading 31-24, the Giants had Philadelphia facing third-and-10 on its 12-yard line with 2:50 remaining and the Eagles out of timeouts. Play coverage! Giants coaches called a preposterous seven-man blitz, and Vick simply ran outside around the blitz for 33 yards. This was the worst defensive call TMQ has ever seen. Jersey/A has a highly rated passing defense. Make Vick try to throw against a shell; don't megablitz and offer a free long gain.

Then there was the onside. Philadelphia had pulled within 31-17 and was kicking off with 7:28 remaining. This is an OBVIOUS onside kick situation. Not only did the Giants fail to deploy their hands team -- it was worse. The Giants had only five players on the receiving front and lined them up 15 yards off the ball. The onside needs to go only 10 yards, which is where the receivers almost always place their front line. Yet the Giants put their front line 15 yards off the ball, and as the onside bounced, no one from Jersey/A was even attempting to field the kick. It was worse! The five Giants players who lined up 15 yards off began to retreat as the Philadelphia kicker approached the ball.

This goes beyond awful to atrocious -- a middle school team wouldn't make such a boneheaded blunder. And Jersey/A has not one but two special teams specialists: Tom Quinn, whose title is not special teams coach but "special teams coordinator," and Tom McGaughey, whose title is "assistant special teams coordinator." Two special teams "coordinators" and neither of them knew to position their charges for an onside kick when the opponent trails by two touchdowns late? What do the Giants' two special teams coaches do all day?

In the news conference after the debacle, Coughlin first said, "We didn't put our hands team in there, no. There were still seven and a half minutes to go and they were down two scores, so we didn't think it was necessary to do that at that time." For a moment, that seemed like a refreshing case of the coach taking the blame. But then Coughlin said, "All people up front, again, were told to watch out for the onside kick." Does anyone seriously believe that all five special teamers up front decided on their own to defy orders and line up too deep, then retreat, rather than watch for an onside kick? Coughlin was obviously trying to shift blame from the coaches to the players, especially special teamers, who are expendable.

Then the punt. The reason no one had ever won an NFL game on a final-play punt return is that when teams must punt on the final play of a half, they punt out of bounds. But this wasn't necessarily the final play; 12 seconds remained as the Giants lined up at their 29. It's hard to punt both for distance and for direction. If it were easy, every punter would always punt long and out of bounds. Monday night, when Minnesota punted out of bounds to avoid Devin Hester, the deliberate out-of-bounds punts averaged 30 yards. Matt Dodge was trying for a long, out-of-bounds punt and botched it. As he waited in punt formation for officials to signal the ready-to-play, Dodge heard the referee announce he was putting 2 seconds back on the clock and knew that meant the kick had to have some distance. Suppose he punted a 25-yarder out of bounds, giving Philadelphia possession at midfield, and Vick hit one sidelines completion, then Philadelphia launched the winning field goal on the final snap. Today, Giants faithful would be lamenting: Why didn't that punter boom it down the middle?

So the punter botched the play, but he wasn't the only one. The front half of the Giants' coverage team overran Jackson. He's the league's fastest player; the only thing that can go wrong is a long return. Yet the Giants overran him and didn't have a "safe punt" called, on which two guys hang back deep. What do those two Jersey/A special teams coaches do all day?

As Jackson entered the end zone, Coughlin ran onto the field to scream at Dodge. OK, he'd made a mistake. He was hardly the only Giants player or coach to make a bad mistake during the meltdown. But he's a rookie punter, the most expendable guy on the roster -- so Coughlin screamed at him at center field to make sure everyone got the message that the rookie punter, not any highly paid coach, was to blame.

What a disgusting low point -- not that the Giants were outperformed; it's a 60-minute contest, and the Eagles owned the final eight minutes. The disgusting low was that the coaches screwed up and then the head coach publicly shifted blame to the team's lowest-status member, rather than take responsibility, like a man.

This guy needs to A) Not contradict the shit he says all the time and B) Stop regurgitating what he hears from the media. I would go point by point but I am actually (amazingly!) busy at work.

 

[Equus Bellator Apex]

Needs more Joniak.

Alright, here ya go.

 

[Nemesis121]

New thread, Choke of the decade goes to the Giants, 8mins left and they blow a 21 point lead, F N prevent defense, prevents you from winning....

 

[Equus Bellator Apex]

New thread, Choke of the decade goes to the Giants, 8mins left and they blow a 21 point lead, F N prevent defense, prevents you from winning....

Wait, the Giants actually lost that game??!?!?

 

[VeryGooster]

the head coach publicly shifted blame to the team's lowest-status member, rather than take responsibility, like a man.

whut

 

[Dragon]

TMQ



This guy needs to A) Not contradict the shit he says all the time and B) Stop regurgitating what he hears from the media. I would go point by point but I am actually (amazingly!) busy at work.

I'd agree with him about the onside kick if nothing else. I mean how can Coughlin stand there and deflect criticism for that? He's the head coach, get your shit together and stop it with your Coughlin face.

By the way same article:

Concussion Update: Villanova star Matt Szczur, who scored four touchdowns in the school's quarterfinal win, sustained a concussion early in the fourth quarter of the semifinals. As soon as he was diagnosed, Villanova coaches took away his helmet, ending his season and sharply reducing the Wildcats' chance of victory. This is exactly what football coaches should do -- place player health ahead of game outcome. Thanks, Villanova, for setting a good example.

Woo alma mater!

 

[Wellington]

New thread, Choke of the decade goes to the Giants, 8mins left and they blow a 21 point lead, F N prevent defense, prevents you from winning....

Newsflash, they weren't playing prevent.

 

[Nemesis121]

Newsflash, they weren't playing prevent.

One of the news paper states it was TC decision to go into prevent......

 

[Futurevoid]

the head coach publicly shifted blame to the team's lowest-status member, rather than take responsibility, like a man.

:lol :lol What a complete idiot.

From Coughlin at the presser after the game:

. I'll take full responsibility for that last play: the young punter was told to punt it out of bounds and he got a high snap and didn't feel like he could and we all learned the hard way again. At that point in the game with (Jackson) back there, you don't punt into that.

From yesterday's press conference:

I lose the games, the players win them. Everybody can blame me. You can line up at the corner and blame me, that's fine, I can handle it, but the fact of the matter is that right now what is important for our football team is to regroup, to stay positive

I mean how can Coughlin stand there and deflect criticism for that? He's the head coach, get your shit together and stop it with your Coughlin face.

Except he didn't, if you'd bother to know what you're talking about.

Again from the press conference:

There are plenty of sins to be distributed. The sin that I'm going to throw in is that it's my decision whether or not we put the hands team out there. You can go either way on the strategy of it with seven and a half minutes and all three timeouts, but I do know this team very well and the guy is an excellent onsides placement kicker. He kicked the ball perfectly – eleven yards exactly. We decided not to put the hands team out there, but rather to make our people aware of it. We were aware of it, we didn't react very well and had we reacted well with the way in which we were aligned, we still may not have been able to do anything about it. The ball was kicked that well. That's my call and if there was anything – hindsight is 20/20 and you guys are very good at it – but the situation that I would say, rather than strategy, would have just been momentum, just to stop the momentum.

 

[eznark]

I was kind of pissed they didn't cut Dodge. Kid has a leg. I'd love the Packers to sign him. I'm guessing he'll be a solid punter for a decade, he just needs to get his head right. Good luck doing that in New York.

 

[Gigglepoo]

As soon as he said he took full responsibility for the last play, he threw the punter under the bus.

I'll take full responsibility for that last play: the young punter was told to punt it out of bounds

In other words, it's not my fault! I told that bastard to kick it out of bounds. Though, yeah, Coughlin was "a man" about it for the most part.

Unrelated to this, do you get the feeling most coaches are completely insincere when they say the take the blame for a loss? It always sounds like they toss it in at the last minute because they need to, rather than they believe it. I hate insincerity.

 

[Nemesis121]

I was kind of pissed they didn't cut Dodge. Kid has a leg. I'd love the Packers to sign him. I'm guessing he'll be a solid punter for a decade, he just needs to get his head right. Good luck doing that in New York.

I think he will remain in NY for at least another season, unless TC loses his job and the new coach cuts him.

 

[eznark]

Gigglepoo, I find most people in all professions are insincere when they take the blame for anything

 

[Futurevoid]

As soon as he said he took full responsibility for the last play, he threw the punter under the bus.

Here's his follow-up comment:

Q: Were you satisfied with Dodge's explanation?
A: There was no explanation. It's a team game. There isn't any one guy – it should have never come down to that. Without a doubt it should have never come down to that, but it did and at that point in time with 14 seconds, you're going to punt the ball out of bounds, you're going to get one play and you defend the one play and you go into overtime. It didn't have to end the way it did either.

I mean you just can't stand there and not mention the fact that Dodge shanked the fucking kick. He DID! He absolutely shares some of the blame there. Is he supposed to deny that fact? It's on film for the world to see. He did a pretty good job of deflecting some of that criticism away by mentioning that he should never have been placed in that position in the first place but hey, he's payed to do what the coach asks of him (i.e. kick the freaking ball out of bounds).

In other words, it's not my fault! I told that bastard to kick it out of bounds. Though, yeah, Coughlin was "a man" about it for the most part.

So what would you like him to say? "Nope, I told him to kick it DeSean...I though it would be fucking neat!!"

Unrelated to this, do you get the feeling most coaches are completely insincere when they say the take the blame for a loss? It always sounds like they toss it in at the last minute because they need to, rather than they believe it. I hate insincerity.

I think a majority of coaches want absolutely nothing to do with the media after a loss. Any loss. Especially coaches like Coughlin who have little paitence with the media to begin with but generally, yeah I certainly get your perspective.

 

[captive]

TMQ



This guy needs to A) Not contradict the shit he says all the time and B) Stop regurgitating what he hears from the media. I would go point by point but I am actually (amazingly!) busy at work.

please do go point by point.

 

[Gigglepoo]

So what would you like him to say?

"In the fall, I'm taking my talents to the Bay, and coaching the Niners."

 

[Futurevoid]

"In the fall, I'm taking my talents to the Bay, and coaching the Niners."

:lol :lol

I was kind of pissed they didn't cut Dodge. Kid has a leg. I'd love the Packers to sign him. I'm guessing he'll be a solid punter for a decade

The answer to the question of why Coughlin hasn't cut him. He knows that he has a leg and he's shown flashes. After spending nearly an entire season bringing him along, cutting him now seems silly. As if being in the NY market isn't hard enough, he's following up a 20 year veteran who was one of the best directional kickers in the game. Tough situation.

 

[Wellington]

One of the news paper states it was TC decision to go into prevent......

Then the newspaper was wrong. Don't know what else to tell you, but it was plain as day they weren't playing prevent.

 

[eznark]

"In the fall, I'm taking my talents to the Bay, and coaching the Niners."

:lol

 

[Equus Bellator Apex]

please do go point by point.

:lol

 

[Talon]

One of the news paper states it was TC decision to go into prevent......

Considering Vick's big 40 yard run up the middle was the result of a missed tackle on a blitz allowing him a clear lane in the middle of the field - no.

 

[eznark]

Considering Vick's big 40 yard run up the middle was the result of a missed tackle on a blitz allowing him a clear lane in the middle of the field - no.

They lost a lead late in the game,..they HAD to be playing prevent. Right? Right??

Fucking sports writers...ESPN gets the best of the best. Ponder that shit.

 

[Talon]

The onside kick is the most egregious single thing in that game to me. Yeah, sure, losing contain repeatedly was the real problem for the Gmen, but players are taught to stay at the front to at least see the kick before bailing.

The blame game is silly - both the coaches and players should be roasted for this shit.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Fucking sports writers...ESPN gets the best of the best. Ponder that shit.

TMQ didn't say that the Giants went into a prevent. He said they were still blitzing (like sending seven on that infamous 3rd and 10 where Vick ran 40 yards), and that was a stupid tactic.

 

[eznark]

TMQ didn't say that the Giants went into a prevent. He said they were still blitzing (like sending seven on that infamous 3rd and 10 where Vick ran 40 yards), and that was a stupid tactic.

I'm saying if the top sportswriters are the idiots on ESPN, just imagine how bad local guys are (the one who apparently said they were in prevent)

 

[Gigglepoo]

I'm saying if the top sportswriters are the idiots on ESPN, just imagine how bad local guys are (the one who apparently said they were in prevent)

I haven't read a local sports writer since Mitch Album, and he's become a bit more well known since those days.

 

[eznark]

no one else talks about the Brewers...but that all changes this year bitches!

 

[Wellington]

TMQ didn't say that the Giants went into a prevent. He said they were still blitzing (like sending seven on that infamous 3rd and 10 where Vick ran 40 yards), and that was a stupid tactic.

Read below, from someone who actually knows what they are watching:

Eagles QB Michael Vick. Perhaps the most impressive of his plays Sunday was his 22-yard scramble on the game-tying drive. The Giants had seven rushers on that play and all of them appeared to be spies on Vick. Nobody really got after their pass rush and went too far upfield. They just kind of hovered, trying not to allow Vick out of the pocket. He got out anyway. A lunging attempt by DE Jason Pierre-Paul, who is a pretty good athlete in his own right, was the best the defensive front could do. Scary.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/12/a_look_back_to_the_eagles_stun.html

 

[DMczaf]

Bucs blitzed over 30 times against the Lions, and still had 0 sacks :lol

How's the DE depth in the draft?

 

[The Frankman]

no one else talks about the Brewers...but that all changes this year bitches!

They play in the AFC West?

 

[effzee]

TMQ



This guy needs to A) Not contradict the shit he says all the time and B) Stop regurgitating what he hears from the media. I would go point by point but I am actually (amazingly!) busy at work.

Not much wrong in what he wrote. Of course you could make the argument that if they went into prevent and then somehow Eagles came back they would say prevent D cost them but yeah they were getting cute with the blitzes. Tuck is hell of a player and athlete but don't know how much I would trust him to cover the TE. Go with the same strategy. Not prevent but don't bring the house, let them dink and dunk, waste time, and then run the ball yourself even if it's not effective.

The onsides kick I wouldn't be so down on cause even I was surprised by the Eagles going for it with 7 min to go, but as a coach I guess you should play it safe and have your hands team out there. Reid already said if they saw the Giants hands team out there he wouldn't have kicked the onsides.

TMQ being upset about the coaches calling players out is a personal thing. To me Coughlin has always taken the blame but he also has a habit of mentioning players by names out of anger and in the heat of the moment so it seems like he is throwing them under the bus. I'll give Reid credit in that he doesn't give the media any talking points like that.

Outside of the decision to keep blitzing (which was the D coordinator) and not having the hands team Coughlin still out coached Reid, who should be thanking his lucky stars his no challenge didn't come back to bite him, and lost the game because Vick just made some plays. They weren't designed play calls, they were just plays where Vick made something.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Read below, from someone who actually knows what they are watching:

I'm trying to picture that play in my head. #31 on the Giants was on Vick's left, correct? Playing contain to make sure he didn't roll out on that side, but he got sucked in, so Vick was able to breeze past without any problem. I think I'm picturing that right. There's no way to know what could have happened, but when you send seven players to the line of scrimmage, even in spy roles, one breakdown means Vick can run wild, because there are only four defenders in front of him.

 

[tmdorsey]

Not much wrong in what he wrote. Of course you could make the argument that if they went into prevent and then somehow Eagles came back they would say prevent D cost them but yeah they were getting cute with the blitzes. Tuck is hell of a player and athlete but don't know how much I would trust him to cover the TE. Go with the same strategy. Not prevent but don't bring the house, let them dink and dunk, waste time, and then run the ball yourself even if it's not effective.

The onsides kick I wouldn't be so down on cause even I was surprised by the Eagles going for it with 7 min to go, but as a coach I guess you should play it safe and have your hands team out there. Reid already said if they saw the Giants hands team out there he wouldn't have kicked the onsides.

TMQ being upset about the coaches calling players out is a personal thing. To me Coughlin has always taken the blame but he also has a habit of mentioning players by names out of anger and in the heat of the moment so it seems like he is throwing them under the bus. I'll give Reid credit in that he doesn't give the media any talking points like that.

Outside of the decision to keep blitzing (which was the D coordinator) and not having the hands team Coughlin still out coached Reid, who should be thanking his lucky stars his no challenge didn't come back to bite him, and lost the game because Vick just made some plays. They weren't designed play calls, they were just plays where Vick made something.

I have to agree. Most of what he said made sense to me. Seemed like it made more sense with a lead just to make sure than none of the Eagles receivers or Vick could get behind you. Hindsight is always 20-20 though.

 

[Wellington]

Not much wrong in what he wrote. Of course you could make the argument that if they went into prevent and then somehow Eagles came back they would say prevent D cost them but yeah they were getting cute with the blitzes. Tuck is hell of a player and athlete but don't know how much I would trust him to cover the TE. Go with the same strategy. Not prevent but don't bring the house, let them dink and dunk, waste time, and then run the ball yourself even if it's not effective.

The onsides kick I wouldn't be so down on cause even I was surprised by the Eagles going for it with 7 min to go, but as a coach I guess you should play it safe and have your hands team out there. Reid already said if they saw the Giants hands team out there he wouldn't have kicked the onsides.

TMQ being upset about the coaches calling players out is a personal thing. To me Coughlin has always taken the blame but he also has a habit of mentioning players by names out of anger and in the heat of the moment so it seems like he is throwing them under the bus. I'll give Reid credit in that he doesn't give the media any talking points like that.

Outside of the decision to keep blitzing (which was the D coordinator) and not having the hands team Coughlin still out coached Reid, who should be thanking his lucky stars his no challenge didn't come back to bite him, and lost the game because Vick just made some plays. They weren't designed play calls, they were just plays where Vick made something.

Cmon dude. The Giants were up 31-10 using their strategy and they should have shifted to prevent based on what, a missed tackle by Phillips, a blitz in which Deon Grant inexplicably left his feet, and another missed tackle by TT? If the players executed on damn near any play at the end of the fourth, this wouldn't even be a discussion at the moment. Can't kill PF for his playcalling at all. Perhaps the zone blitz was a bad call at the time but how can you even assume that Celek is going out on a route if you are blitzing so heavily...?

Hindsight is always 20-20.

 

[eznark]

Lost in the win and I never heard it asked...why the heck did Reid not challenge the fumble? Did he ever answer that?

 

[Futurevoid]

.why the heck did Reid not challenge the fumble? Did he ever answer that?

He said that the folks in the booth never actually got to see the replay to confirm the call or not so Reid didn't have anything to go on. I still say that's a situation you throw the flag on regardless, but there you go.

 

[eznark]

He said that the folks in the booth never actually got to see the replay to confirm the call or not so Reid didn't have anything to go on. I still say that's a situation you throw the flag on regardless, but there you go.

If you think you can still win. I contend he had essentially given up the ghost at that point.

 

[Wellington]

I'm trying to picture that play in my head. #31 on the Giants was on Vick's left, correct? Playing contain to make sure he didn't roll out on that side, but he got sucked in, so Vick was able to breeze past without any problem. I think I'm picturing that right. There's no way to know what could have happened, but when you send seven players to the line of scrimmage, even in spy roles, one breakdown means Vick can run wild, because there are only four defenders in front of him.

No, there were 11 defenders in front of him is the point.

I forgot my login info for my NFL rewind account. I can post pictures when I get home.

 

[effzee]

Cmon dude. The Giants were up 31-10 using their strategy and they should have shifted to prevent based on what, a missed tackle by Phillips, a blitz in which Deon Grant inexplicably left his feet, and another missed tackle by TT? If the players executed on damn near any play at the end of the fourth, this wouldn't even be a discussion at the moment. Can't kill PF for his playcalling at all. Perhaps the zone blitz was a bad call at the time but how can you even assume that Celek is going out on a route if you are blitzing so heavily...?

Hindsight is always 20-20.

You know any other team you are playing I agree with you 100% but if you know the Eagles, and you do, they are a big play team. Not just this season but over the past few seasons. So with that lead, defending a team who mostly scores on quick big plays, with the time remaining the smarter strategy would have been to let the Eagles dink and dunk but don't even allow the chance for the big play. Drop the safeties deep, keep your LBs on the backs and TE's and play the short passes.

Yeah you are right that even with the D called they could have stopped the Eagles comeback in its roots by remaining disciplined in their responsibilities and not being out of position but if we are the discussing the two different approaches I would agree with TMQ and would have gone with the shell coverage if I were the coach.

I just hope that if these two teams do play again Reid can coach a bit better and make adjustments before the game and not be forced to change philosophy when down by 3 touchdowns. Come out running the ball, play short ball by utilizing Celek more, and somehow pray Dmitri has his head in the game.

And I can't speak enough of Maclin and Avant who no one is really mentioning. Maclin put a great spin move on Thomas for his 2nd TD and Avant is just a sure handed (minus first Giants game), body sacrificing, all team guy beast. That block on the PR was huge.

 

[Wellington]

You know any other team you are playing I agree with you 100% but if you know the Eagles, and you do, they are a big play team. Not just this season but over the past few seasons. So with that lead, defending a team who mostly scores on quick big plays, with the time remaining the smarter strategy would have been to let the Eagles dink and dunk but don't even allow the chance for the big play. Drop the safeties deep, keep your LBs on the backs and TE's and play the short passes.

Yeah you are right that even with the D called they could have stopped the Eagles comeback in its roots by remaining disciplined in their responsibilities and not being out of position but if we are the discussing the two different approaches I would agree with TMQ and would have gone with the shell coverage if I were the coach.

I just hope that if these two teams do play again Reid can coach a bit better and make adjustments before the game and not be forced to change philosophy when down by 3 touchdowns. Come out running the ball, play short ball by utilizing Celek more, and somehow pray Dmitri has his head in the game.

And I can't speak enough of Maclin and Avant who no one is really mentioning. Maclin put a great spin move on Thomas for his 2nd TD and Avant is just a sure handed (minus first Giants game), body sacrificing, all team guy beast. That block on the PR was huge.

Avant is not sure handed. And did you see he gave himself a concussion delivering the block on that PR? :lol

 

[Futurevoid]

If you think you can still win. I contend he had essentially given up the ghost at that point.

Agreed.

I think also lost in the discussion of the Giants meltdown is that the offense had a hard time closing out the game as well. The Eagles defense did a good job of bottling up the run way and I don't say this to take away from their play but hindsight being 20/20, I think shuffling the offensive line again was a mistake. O'Hara was a weak link in the middle and was getting pushed around. I mentioned it during the game. Considering how well Seubert has been manning the center position, Coughlin should have gone with the "hot hand" if you will. That's a tough decision though when you have a starter coming back though...

 

[effzee]

Lost in the win and I never heard it asked...why the heck did Reid not challenge the fumble? Did he ever answer that?

Well there was a report about this a few weeks ago. Don't know if it was on the radio or ESPN but someone was mentioning that for road teams its very difficult to get the replays in on time to review the play. Someone was saying that the home team has the advantage because the video people purposely delay the review for the road team. Don't know if its true but it could be why but there is really no excuse to not throw that flag. I mean the fact that there is any doubt down by so much you just throw it. And I have seen Reid just challenge for the sake of challenging before. Not like he cares much for time outs.

 

[effzee]

Avant is not sure handed. And did you see he gave himself a concussion delivering the block on that PR? :lol

Avant has the best hands on the team. I trust him more in terms of just catching the ball than I do Maclin or DJAX. He used to catch the craziest throws from McNabb and has had to do the same with Vick. The only big drop he has had is the one against the Giants.

 

[Wellington]

Avant has the best hands on the team. I trust him more in terms of just catching the ball than I do Maclin or DJAX. He used to catch the craziest throws from McNabb and has had to do the same with Vick. The only big drop he has had is the one against the Giants.

Didn't Avant drop an easy one earlier in the game, and also wasn't he responsible for the drop that cost the Eagles 53 points in game one?

 

[effzee]

Didn't Avant drop an easy one earlier in the game, and also wasn't he responsible for the drop that cost the Eagles 53 points in game one?

What easy one early in the game?

And I already mentioned the big drop against the Giants game 1. One drop doesn't take away his ability or title as best hands on the team. If only he had speed he would be our best WR.