ha! well I doubt they'll be going 5-11 in the AFCS. JAX and TEN won't be good for at least a couple of years
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NFL Week 16 |OT| The Comeback is Bigger than the Win
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ha! well I doubt they'll be going 5-11 in the AFCS. JAX and TEN won't be good for at least a couple of years
sf2fanatic
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So next week only the Falcons can rest their starters. Everyone else is playing for position...Gonna be a nice Week 17
WesternHeretic
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So 2 week break for the Falcons? You think they going to use the rust excuse when they get bounce again?
These made me go back and look at how many of Seattle's defensive players they drafted:
Defensive Line:
Red Bryant 4th round pick 121 2008
Jaye Howard 4th round pick 114 2012
Bruce Irvin 1st round pick 15 2012
Brandon Mebane 3rd round pick 85 2007
Greg Scruggs 7th round pick 232 2012
Linebackers:
Leroy Hill 3rd round pick 98 2005
Michael Morgan UDFA 2011
Malcolm Smith 7th round pick 242 2011
Bobby Wagner 2nd round pick 47 2012
KJ Wright 4th round pick 99 2011
Defensive backs:
Kam Chancellor 5th round pick 133 2010
Jeron Johnson UDFA 2011
Jeremy Lane 6th round pick 172 2012
Byron Maxwell 6th round pick 173 2011
DeShawn Shead UDFA 2012
Richard Sherman 5th round pick 154 2011
Earl Thomas 1st round pick 14 2010
Walter Thurmond 4th round pick 111 2010
Marcus Trufant 1st round pick 11 2003
And that's just dudes on the active roster. Only 3 of the key contributors on the defense came from other teams originally:
Chris Clemons was acquired for a fourth and Daryl Tapp in what at the time was not a popular trade.
Alan Branch came as a free agent from the Cardinals.
Brandon Browner was an UDFA for the Broncos, went to the CFL and then signed with Seattle as a corner.
I'm sure Squicken and FMT will chalk it all up to PEDs or whatever but I think its a pretty impressive amount of late round drafting the last 3 years. Only 3 first rounders (and one is old man Trufant!) on defense and 1 second rounder. Everyone else is third round or later.
WesternHeretic
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Wow at Earl and Bruce being the only guys from the 1st round.
BannedEpisode
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Wagner would be pretty much the only player that wouldn't piss me off if he won DROTY over Smith.
Looks like Indy has the NFC West and AFC West next year. 8-8!
Sviatoslav
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You could look at any Stafford season and see that he doesn't complete as many passes as top qbs in the game should. His completion percentage for this season and his whole career are basically the same, at ~60%. And to top it off, despite throwing so many passes he has only thrown for 17 TDS this year. His TD% per pass attempt isn't even top 30 in the league (worse than even Sanchize!). Not very impressive.
I don't think he's gonna win it, I've only seen him mentioned for it on ESPN.com once, and tonight was the first time any announcers have stumped for him on TV.
I'd be happy if he did, and I'm sure he would too.
The thing is I'm not going to look at every Stafford season and compare him to a Tom Brady, Manning or even Tony Romo. His first two years were plagued by taking over a 0-16 team and injuries.
He has thrown 17 TDs this year but having watched every game Stafford has played these last season those TD numbers don't reflect his overall contribution. For instance in our W against Jacksonville, our RB Mikel Leshoure had 3 easy TDs which were a direct result of Stafford driving us down the field near the goal line. And against the Bears on MNF Stafford led us to the goalline where our two starting RBs (Leshoure, Bell) proceeded to fumble the ball near the goalline. Or Jim Schwartz throwing a challenge flag against the Texans. Or Andrew Luck throwing a game winning checkdown TD on the last play of the game. None of that is Staffords fault.
That type of shit is not in Staffords hands and should not be blamed on a 24 year old QB. His accuracy and overall leadership will improve as he gets older.
And lest we not forget the 4 TDs Stafford ran in with his athleticism.
Wellington
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That trade alone was Jenkins+ the first rounders, but as a whole the Rams multiplied that one pick from the #2 overall to the #14 (Brockers), #39 (Jenkins) #50 (Pead), #150 (Watkins) overall as well as the 2013 and 2014 first rounder. Great work if you're looking to infuse talent into the team.
Brockers and Jenkins have already come on, Pead should get more work next year with Jackson on the last year of his contract (assuming he is still on the Rams next year), haven't seen much of Watkins.
They ran up the score in the cardinals and bills games.
Seahawks away from home are less threatening and i can see them falling to the redskins or even the cowboys if need be.
Thanks Welli! I didn't want to list of all of that and look like the defense force but they absolutely killed it with Brockers and Jenkins. I worry about Pead (can't do blitz pickup so can't play), but you can't hit them all. Watkins went on IR early in the year, but is a developmental guy who needed lots of work to get in NFL shape anyway
So far Snead/Fisher haven't shown an eye for offensive talent like they have for defensive talent. If RG3 can stay healthy then good for him. But he never would have in STL.
Bolt Vanderhuge
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And now I can come back to this. My point was you can't call collapse while the house is still technically standing. Swoon? Yes. Stretch where we looked awful? Absolutely. But we have seen so many times where a team on the verge of collapse and got their shit together in the end. I'm not saying we're going to go on a '10 Packers or '11 Giants run. If we don't get people back healthy soon and continue with this balanced, Rice-centric, play calling any of these other playoff teams can, and will, eat our lunch.
But for now we've clinched the division and got a guaranteed home game. A TOUGH division that sent three teams to the playoffs last year and could of sent three this year if it wasn't for a certain team dealing with some bad injuries and some talent not fully performing to what they're capable of (but I'm confident the Browns will get it together next year and we'll send three into January again next year). We've looked great and we've looked like hot trash this season but I've got high hopes for the playoffs because.... because.
Merry Christmas to all and to all a bag of dicks.
BlackGhost
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Browns are frustrating. Hope Jimmy and this new regime makes it right. I amz a sadz fan.
cuevas. PhD.
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What happened yesterday
A new coach could have you over .500
Shurmur is in the bottom five of offensive play callers. Haslam will spend, and will attract a quality coach. Not only that but he'll pay for quality assistants. Believe.
Dutch Gronk
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How should we know? That is between you and the mother of your new child.
It's rare for any rookie back to do well in pass pro, can always get better if the player is willing.
Nemesis121
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Some of the big cap hits for next season.
I would cut Diehl, Webster, Tuck, and Canty....
I would cut Diehl, Webster, Tuck, and Canty....
They actually play Richardson quite a bit, and he's awful too. But his problem is beyond recognition (though it's a struggle). He is 5'9" and 190 lbs. He's willing, but just can't handle a charging LB. As much as I dislike watching SJAX slowly run forward, he's 6'2" 240. He stands up even the biggest blitzers
Just generally I think it takes a certain sized back to handle it. Ray Rice isn't that good at it either
Alligatorjandro
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9ers got their dick slapped.
How do you explain why your team was lucky to beat the Jags?
I'm high on hopium right now. I'll roll with whatever Haslam does. Don't forget we are quite below the cap so I expect him to make available a splash in Free Agency too.
Alligatorjandro
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We have the heart of a champion.Good luck with the Browns.
Hey man, Warrick Dunn was a great pass blocker at his size. I distinctly remember him managing to hold off Julius Peppers by himself once during a prime time game.
BlackGhost
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Alligatorjandro
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Pats/Dolphins is moved to 4:25.
I like how you pointed out how football works...as if it's not true for every starting QB in the league. Teams call plays that they find will be the easiest way for them to get into the endzone. Clearly if Stafford is on his game they'd have him throw it in, but he's not.....so they hand it off.
Just like the Packers, the Lions faced a week schedule last year. It's amazing what over confidence has done to your team.
You'd make a great Lions GM, providing more and more years of complete domination over your team. You overlook every deficiency of players that are supposed to do well and lock them in tight...covering their asses as if they're playing smart ball.
Have we made sure that we don't have Matt Millen on our boards?
Alligatorjandro
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Merril Hoge hates Tebow lol
I went back and watched some of that game last night since I was occupied for most of it and the thing that really stood out to me was the manner in which Wilson reacted to pressure. When he was flushed, or when he stepped up or when he flat scrambled he constantly had his eyes downfield and the ball in a throwing position.
Watch Wilson's kind of dumb 70 yard scamper between the hashes (he could probably have just rolled right for a first) and it's nuts. He nonchalantly rolls right, avoids Brooks and a DL with minimal effort and never looks down (except when he ducks and escapes the pocket which collapsed on contact). His eyes are up he is looking downfield and the ball is only tucked for microseconds as he feels heat. He immediately recocks and is ready to throw.
Those are the types of things that the coaches see in practice on a constant basis that you really just can't ignore and definitely can't teach. Flynn never stood a chance. The poise on the kid is fucking incredible. It's kind of a bullshit intangible and feel-goody nonsense but when you watch him move under pressure is when it really stands out. Maybe he does require a great running back and maybe he'll totally flame out due to his size but man I love the way he plays.
Give me a QB who uses his athleticism to keep a play alive and make a throw over the guy who tucks and runs at the first stiff wind anyway.
Guys, I'm in love.
Watch Wilson's kind of dumb 70 yard scamper between the hashes (he could probably have just rolled right for a first) and it's nuts. He nonchalantly rolls right, avoids Brooks and a DL with minimal effort and never looks down (except when he ducks and escapes the pocket which collapsed on contact). His eyes are up he is looking downfield and the ball is only tucked for microseconds as he feels heat. He immediately recocks and is ready to throw.
Those are the types of things that the coaches see in practice on a constant basis that you really just can't ignore and definitely can't teach. Flynn never stood a chance. The poise on the kid is fucking incredible. It's kind of a bullshit intangible and feel-goody nonsense but when you watch him move under pressure is when it really stands out. Maybe he does require a great running back and maybe he'll totally flame out due to his size but man I love the way he plays.
Give me a QB who uses his athleticism to keep a play alive and make a throw over the guy who tucks and runs at the first stiff wind anyway.
Guys, I'm in love.
Wellington
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Holy shit those are some big numbers. We're fucked.
David Wilson had to pass pro really for the first time in that Atlanta game, dude got swallowed up and pushed right into Eli on the first pick. There was at least one other time that he picked up a blitzer, but it wasn't the right guy. I deleted the game off of my DVR or I'd show it. Bradshaw is on the smaller side and I'd argue he is the best in the league at pass pro.
It's too bad that Brian Quick doesn't have his head in the game yet. Givens looks like he could be a player next year. You guys still need a few pieces on the defense (olb/safety)
1. Kansas City (2-13)
2. Jacksonville (2-13)
3. Oakland (4-11)
4. Philadelphia (4-11)
5. Detroit (4-11)
6. Buffalo (5-10)
7. Cleveland (5-10)
8. Tennessee (5-10)
9. Arizona (5-10)
10. San Diego (6-9)
11. New York Jets (6-9)
12. Tampa Bay (6-9)
13. Carolina (6-9)
14. Pittsburgh (7-8)
15. Miami (7-8)
16. New Orleans (7-8)
17. St. Louis (7-7-1)
18. Dallas (8-7)
19. New York Giants (8-7)
20. Chicago (9-6)
21. Cincinnati* (9-6)
22. St. Louis - from Washington* (9-6)
23. Minnesota* (9-6)
24. Indianapolis* (10-5)
25. Baltimore* (10-5)
26. Seattle* (10-5)
27. San Francisco* (10-4-1)
28. New England* (11-4)
29. Green Bay* (11-4)
30. Denver* (12-3)
31. Houston* (12-3)
32. Atlanta* (13-2)
2. Jacksonville (2-13)
3. Oakland (4-11)
4. Philadelphia (4-11)
5. Detroit (4-11)
6. Buffalo (5-10)
7. Cleveland (5-10)
8. Tennessee (5-10)
9. Arizona (5-10)
10. San Diego (6-9)
11. New York Jets (6-9)
12. Tampa Bay (6-9)
13. Carolina (6-9)
14. Pittsburgh (7-8)
15. Miami (7-8)
16. New Orleans (7-8)
17. St. Louis (7-7-1)
18. Dallas (8-7)
19. New York Giants (8-7)
20. Chicago (9-6)
21. Cincinnati* (9-6)
22. St. Louis - from Washington* (9-6)
23. Minnesota* (9-6)
24. Indianapolis* (10-5)
25. Baltimore* (10-5)
26. Seattle* (10-5)
27. San Francisco* (10-4-1)
28. New England* (11-4)
29. Green Bay* (11-4)
30. Denver* (12-3)
31. Houston* (12-3)
32. Atlanta* (13-2)
Thanks bro. We will need it!
We don't have a coach with a brain so your shit team can handle these garbage teams better than we can.
Eh, you adios Rolle, Tuck and probably Diehl and Eli restructures like all QB's do and you're perfectly fine.
Alligatorjandro
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I think the Steelers should start over and rebuild.
BlackGhost
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I literally hate Merril, get him off the tv
We need luck with injuries and mostly a rebuild on defense. We need to replace most of the line, the LBs, and probably Troy.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Zero chance Rolle leaves. As much as I dislike Rolle he's been a team first guy and a leader in the locker room, plus we don't have any other viable options back there due to Kenny Phillips being as injury prone as he is.
Diehl is likely gone, I can't say I'd care if Tuck goes, tho he should have been the MVP of SB 42.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
lol yeah. I forgot who I said it to before we all got our teams, but I was saying from the jump I wouldn't mind a reconstruction project. It's much more fun than starting with an already proven team.
I'll miss Tuck, but I honestly think he'd be rejuvenated with another defensive coordinator, it's not just him underperforming it's been the entire dline. Fewell's scheme just does not work with this team (the stats pretty match up to his time in Buffalo).
Heart Attack
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So if the Packers, Seahawks, and 49ers win their games week, does that mean that the 49ers get Seahawks at home?
BaltimoreLarry
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The Ravens win
The Steelers lose
The Niners lose
Good Sunday.
The Steelers lose
The Niners lose
Good Sunday.
Flacco signs max deal in offseason because of first two.
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