http://www.newsday.com/sports/hocke...in-possible-relocation-of-islanders-1.3940131
:O Relocate all failing franchises.
:O Relocate all failing franchises.
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NHL 2011-2012 Offseason thread of Cash Rules Everything Around Me
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SuperSonic1305
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Being a Toronto team happened. Countless injuries, tough divisions, underachieving players, and bad luck.
It would suck for Suffolk County fans but they'd be relevant again. I have tickets to that pre-season game too.
SpectreFire
Member
If there's a lockout this season. The Leafs will make hockey history as the only team to make it from one lockout to another without playing a single game in the playoffs.
KingHenrik30
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Where at? Let me Bruce and Yankee know so we can come and heckle the comments.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Passed the torch just in time.
KernelPanic
Member
Hellooooooooooo lockout
yankeehater
Member
But Fehr is going to make sure there is no lockout. I dont get it.
SpectreFire
Member
Well fuck.
This is all somehow Mason Raymond's fault.
This is all somehow Mason Raymond's fault.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Optimism meet open window.
KernelPanic
Member
yankeehater
Member
That is the best troll ever. Baseball is only stable since Fehr isnt around.
Well were fucked. The douchbag wants to make NHL into baseball where teams just spend and buy sucess and use other teams as basically their farm systems. FUCK THAT SHIT. Love the parity thats going on right now.
if there is a lockout I am blaming this on the players, they are making way too much money and asking formore revenue while we have unstable franchises and owners losing money.
Thank god NHL 13 is only a week away.
if there is a lockout I am blaming this on the players, they are making way too much money and asking formore revenue while we have unstable franchises and owners losing money.
Thank god NHL 13 is only a week away.
Lol
I think when NHLPA went to give their proposal they just gave a slight variation on their offer
NHL actually changed theirs, and they offered one without a salary rollback, so fehr looks like a fucking idiot
I change my sides, fuck the NHLPA
@DarrenDreger: NHL saw little or no movement from the players in todays round of discussions and therefore opts to recess CBA discussions.
I think when NHLPA went to give their proposal they just gave a slight variation on their offer
NHL actually changed theirs, and they offered one without a salary rollback, so fehr looks like a fucking idiot
I change my sides, fuck the NHLPA
@DarrenDreger: NHL saw little or no movement from the players in todays round of discussions and therefore opts to recess CBA discussions.
But bruce said there wouldn't be a lockout!!
Exactly.
As I've been saying for awhile, revenue should be split 50/50 and left that way forever. Both sides get half, nothing there to argue about.
Both sides want a hard cap.. no one is asking for the removal of the cap system
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
PA wants a soft cap where you can trade cap space.
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
But owners are still taking a lot of money through escrow. It's the only way for a much lower cap and no rollbacks to work. Owners changed the way hockey related revenues were calculated, too. It's not like the offer is awesome.
The escrow is paid back if they over took
Players cry about escrow- but when players make 25,000 PER GAME on average, they really need to stfu
They get the correct amount of money in the end - that's the point of escrow
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
We all saw this coming with the hiring of Fehr. That douche is a guaranteed lockout.
And guess what? The players aren't going to win this one. How many teams lost money by operating last year? I highly doubt they'll all be clamoring to get the season back on track.
And guess what? The players aren't going to win this one. How many teams lost money by operating last year? I highly doubt they'll all be clamoring to get the season back on track.
wsoxfan1214
Banned
So wait. The NHL makes a stupid offer. NHLPA jumps on it and calls them.
NHL comes back with a somewhat decent offer, and the NHLPA proceeds to counter with one as equally-stupid as the NHL's first offer.
I take it back. Fuck the NHLPA.
NHL comes back with a somewhat decent offer, and the NHLPA proceeds to counter with one as equally-stupid as the NHL's first offer.
I take it back. Fuck the NHLPA.
Bingo. Look at Phoenix. Their best financial year was the last lockout. I do think revenue sharing needs to go up as well though.
wsoxfan1214
Banned
At least the Phoenix thing has some more time to be settled, right guys?!
Fuck both the NHL and NHLPA.
No matter which side you side with (and honestly, it doesn't really matter to fans), it's undeniable that both sides kinda really fucking suck at this whole negotiating process.
owners: here's our proposal
1 month passes
players: hmm..
1 week passes
players: we're going to ignore your first proposal. here's our proposal
1 week passes
owners: we need more time
1 week passes
owners: we're going to ignore your first proposal. here's our revised proposal
players: hmm
owners: let's go to new york for our next meeting
players: ok
players: hmm
1 week passes
owners: we're making great progress!
players: we're still really far apart
1 week passes
players: we don't like your proposal
owners: ok
players: alright, let's meet later, maybe
owners: k
No matter which side you side with (and honestly, it doesn't really matter to fans), it's undeniable that both sides kinda really fucking suck at this whole negotiating process.
owners: here's our proposal
1 month passes
players: hmm..
1 week passes
players: we're going to ignore your first proposal. here's our proposal
1 week passes
owners: we need more time
1 week passes
owners: we're going to ignore your first proposal. here's our revised proposal
players: hmm
owners: let's go to new york for our next meeting
players: ok
players: hmm
1 week passes
owners: we're making great progress!
players: we're still really far apart
1 week passes
players: we don't like your proposal
owners: ok
players: alright, let's meet later, maybe
owners: k
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
I think hockey will be back by Thanksgiving because that's the start of the NHL on NBC.
At the very least, it'll be back for the Winter Classic. I think. Maybe.
CrazedArabMan
Member
But I thought some in here kept saying it was the NHL's fault and not the NHLPA?
I hate this whole thing, and I hate Fehr. And I hate to a lesser extent the NHL management.
I hate this whole thing, and I hate Fehr. And I hate to a lesser extent the NHL management.
NHL still gets the money from NBC whether there's a season or not.
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
Yeah, but my observation of the NBA lockout is guiding my thought process here. The NBA still got theirs from Turner and Disney, but there was still a ton of pressure on the league to get back by Christmas, which is the NBA's big marquee day and the start of the NBA on ABC.
So I think that NBC Thanksgiving game makes sense as maybe the start of the season.
The owners haven't asked for any rollbacks.
The Winter Classic would be more applicable to the comparison. That's the NHL's marquee regular season game.
Oh, it'll definitely happen here.
Look out for the Sharks 2013 Cup win with all fans and media saying it shouldn't even count. sigh.
NHL : let's lower down to 47% of HRR and fix contract issues
NHLPA: let's do 57% of HRR with increase revenue sharing
NHL: ok - let's do 50% of HRR, fix contracts, emphasize no rollback
NHLPA: let's do 57% of HRR with increased revenue sharing (but this time, claim MLB is awesome because of fehr)
NHL and fans: ...
The Devils won in a shortened season. I could only imagine if NHL-Gaf existed back then.
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
It happened a lot during the Finals, but I don't think anybody really cares. It's not like the Spurs' 99 title; 66 games is still mostly a season.
No, but we should.
Fuck.this.shit.
Hellooooooo NHL Connected League, EASHL and Guild Wars 2! (where I keep seeing milly).
Also, Hello Vancouver Giants? Abbotsford Heat? Maybe I'll go take a look at this Baertschi kid more closely and have a chat with him in his native tongue. :lol
Hellooooooo NHL Connected League, EASHL and Guild Wars 2! (where I keep seeing milly).
Also, Hello Vancouver Giants? Abbotsford Heat? Maybe I'll go take a look at this Baertschi kid more closely and have a chat with him in his native tongue. :lol
He's for sure on his way, yeah? Isn't quite Modric, but he'll do well.
[edit] nm, apparently not. and with 40 minutes left
Not true.
They did so in the first proposal.
Then they removed it only to take it back through escrow at a higher percentage in their next proposal.
The NHL wants salary cuts, either way.
TSN said:
The NHL's first proposal was 43% of HRR for the players.
THe NHLPA's first proposal is currently unknown actually. They said they would be willing to decrease the player's share but how much is currently unknown. I guess the 57% comes from the third/fourth year option for the players to revert back which I think is stupid.
With the NHL's new proposal, it's more like 46% because they wanted to change the definitions of HRR which means that the players would actually be getting less as opposed to the current defintions of HRR.
That's how I understand the whole negotiating thing so far..
I'm interested in knowing what exactly changed, if any, in the NHLPA's new proposal. I'm not taking Gary Bettman's word on it.
Dubbedinenglish
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