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NHL January 2015 |OT| A team wearing the Maple Leaf won something at the ACC
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I need to sit down for this
FUBAR McDangles
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If Kuemper doesn't figure things out I can't see us doing much. Either that or somebody else comes in and steals it. Dubnyk might be that guy, I guess. Possibly.
And Granlund/Coyle need to figure their stuff out. Zucker and Nino are developing at a decent pace but the other two...? Not so much.
Dubnyk got pulled like halfway through the game haha
My guess is successful draft picks beyond the top 20, or outside the first round. Those first few Leafs drafts in that article sound really bad.
Are really only consistent scout has been our Euro scout tbh
Anton Stralman, Kulemin, Gunnarsson, Rask, Steen, Stalberg, Komarov
Then the Marlies top 4 is made up of guys like Granberg, Loov, Nilsson who are all having really good seasons.
And of course, there is Andreas Johnson having a pretty damn good year in Europe right now.
In terms of NA, I can't even think of good players. Maybe Percy/Leivo/Brown will be good?
CrazedArabMan
Member
I would love to see a Detroit one and then cry every time they mention Cleary resigning and those last few years of only signing old stop-gap guys (though we still made the playoffs).
Yea its essentially just saying "I'm probably not here in 6-7 years so its the next dudes problem".
Habs are easy. We've generally drafted well (Subban and Patches in the 2nd round in 2007, Gallagher in the 5th in 2010), plus we had our own braintrust poison with Gainey and Co. which lead to us sucking, which resulted in us getting Price 5th overall in 2005 and Galchenyuk 3rd overall in 2012. The only real difference between the Habs and a lot of other teams is that we've (thankfully) turned things around REALLY fast.
Nonis legitimately thought the Leafs were close to being a contender after the shortened season. It's ironic because even though that's false, he made the team significantly worse in the following offseason.
Why would you leave out McDonagh?!
Who?
Oh I agree. I think no way Kuemps starts next year. We will have to go out and trade/sign for someone to start.
Habs have moved a lot of young players prematurely, just like the Leafs. Fortunately for us, our drafting has been so good as to make up for it. To combat the McDonagh trade, we got Patches and Gorges for Craig Rivet, which was quite the coup.
I suppose that's where Mark Hunter comes in.
There was a recent article about him. Essentially he was travelling all the time to scout players.
Doesn't sound like he would be the next GM if he's not spending a lot of with the Leafs as opposed to Dubas.
Conclusion: Nonis is here forever. Deal with it.
They're going to keep Nonis on board because of his reputation among other GMs in the league. Every other team will jump at his trade proposals because they'll think they're fleecing him. In reality he's not making the trade proposals so the Leafs will be the ones doing the fleecing!
He wasn't even a good player in year one :lol
That's one of the big ones for the Rangers. For example:
Henrik Lundqvist - 7th round
Carl Hagelin - 6th round
Jesper Fast - 6th round
Anthony Duclair - 3rd round
Dominic Moore - 3rd round
Pavel Buchnevich - 3rd round
Derek Stepan - 2nd round
Sather also puts quite a bit of focus on signing undrafted guys. See also:
Mats Zuccarello
Dan Girardi
Cam Talbot
Ryan Haggerty
Mat Bodie
Conor Allen
And, of course, there's always the ability to poach top draft pick guys in one way or another, either via trades or signing them outright. For example:
Derick Brassard (a former CBJ 6th overall pick - came via Gaborik trade)
Kevin Hayes (a former first round pick for the Blackhawks who failed to sign there)
Ryan McDonagh (you know)
also because we cleaned the house twice in the span of like 6-8 years
the Koivu/Kovalev and friends clean up and then the Gomez Gionta Cammalleri clean up...
and the picks were good, but that was also due to a fast turn around! look at our picks in 03, 04 and 06
- David Fisher over Giroux
- Chipchura over Zajac
- Kostistyn over Carter, Brown, Seabrook, Parise, Getzlaf, Burns, Kesler, Richards, Perry, Eriksson, Bergeron, Weber
Kostistyn is the biggest disaster of a pick I can think of
gaming_noob
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Going to be cheering for the isles the rest of the way
Grabo
Kulie
The Isles would have been the perfect trading partner had they not signed Halak. Since the Leafs are probably going into full rebuild mode, there's no point in keeping Bernier. Bernier + Kessel for a package of prospects and picks would have been great.
it's hard to point too many fingers over skipping Giroux, since a heck of a lot of teams did it. you'd think that draft would have taught the league not to overvalue size, but it still happens constantly.
yeah I know... bad picks happen
but then again, 4 weird picks in a row is a pretty big factor when you're building a team. Price was a weird pick at the time too, it was a GOOD pick, but a weird one. Théodore was still red hot and he wasn't going anywhere at the time
CrazedArabMan
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Don't make me break out the Red Wings late picks.
So many teams skipped over Giroux and Kostitsyn looked great in his draft year. Timmins has one of the best if not the best drafting records in the league, he'll have a miss here and there. Drafting Patches, Subban and McDonagh in the same draft is lunacy.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
even if Kostitsyn looked great, look at that list! looking back it's still a disaster
but yes, Timmins did good too and Gainey almost fucked it all up by trading McDonagh and ALMOST trading Price and presumably Subban for Lecavalier
thank god that trade never happened, I was the biggest Lecavalier fan at the time, but oh man
but yes, Timmins did good too and Gainey almost fucked it all up by trading McDonagh and ALMOST trading Price and presumably Subban for Lecavalier
thank god that trade never happened, I was the biggest Lecavalier fan at the time, but oh man
CrazedArabMan
Member
I'm just glad we never dealt Datsyuk for Gomez, what a disaster that could have been.
AFAIK it was Gautheir who traded McDonagh and he did so without consulting Timmins first. Timmins said it was heart breaking for him when he found out.
what makes you think it was Gauthier? we'll probably never actually know what happened though
just like the infamous Ribeiro for Niinimaa trade
Coldnoodle
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Every team needs to hit a couple homeruns, Leafs don't seem to have any :/
Still can't believe we traded Eminger for the Carlson pick.
Still can't believe we traded Eminger for the Carlson pick.
Also can't believe we traded Forsberg for Erat and Latta...
CreeperBlocks
Banned
Thomas sent back down to the AHL.
FUBAR McDangles
Member
Just bought a bunch of lingerie for my gf a few minutes ago.
Hey, someone has to live up to the name Wild around here.
Hey, someone has to live up to the name Wild around here.
StylesClash
Member
Random. Yes?
FUBAR Mcdicks.
Biggest reason for the canucks (Given that we didnt really have early draft picks afterr the sedins) wasnt late picks But undrafted signings/college signings I'd say. Weve gotten some great players out of it, Tanev is easily our Number 2 D and still young and Burrows has been contributing to the club for a long time.
Comments made from reporters and there's a guy who posts on Hfboards who used to scout for the Canadiens and is a good friend of Timmins who I'm pretty sure said it was Gautheir who made that call. In either case, Timmins wasn't consulted at all, and pretty upset with it all. Thankfully we have a GM who values our youth and picks now.
Absolutely. But even if he had been, I'd still say the same thing.
Hey guuuuys... ready for another loss against Sens tonite?? w00tw00t
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Hey guuuuys... ready for another loss against Sens tonite?? w00tw00t
I'm torn. On one hand I think it's about time the percentages returned to normal so this stupid city can stop acting like the sky is falling, but on the other, I want the tank to stay alive.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Rinaldo apparently bragged about hitting Letang? Scumbags gonna scumbag. Fucking league is a joke.
speculawyer
Member
Can someone explain the throwing jerseys on ice thing to me?
Is it an expression of "You guys suck so much that I'm too embarrassed to wear this jersey anymore?"
Is it an expression of "You guys suck so much that I'm too embarrassed to wear this jersey anymore?"
speculawyer
Member
Tying with the Red Wings was pretty Wild. Too bad they lost the SO.
I watch the games wanting to win.. but at the end of the day, losing is fine...
stupid incidents like the jersey toss will just make other NHL players not wanting to come to Toronto.. Fans showing that they're tired of this losing shit every year, but they're also making the organization look like shit for the rest of the NHLPA. No wonder no good players want to be here.
FUBAR McDangles
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I stopped paying attention when they were losing 4-1 and went to play Dragon Age. Pleasant surprise to see them come back there near the end.
Fun stats time, among players with >30GP at 5on5
Corsi (Shots for team vs against) leaders:
Sharp (22 more shot attempts for than against per 60 minutes)
Bergeron
Toews
Datsyuk
Thornton
Tatar (!)
Worst Corsi:
Malhotra (an incredible 34 more shot attempts AGAINST per 60 mins
.. And he faces much easier competition than anyone else on the losers list :/ )
Then an impressive FIVE BUFFALO PLAYERS IN A ROW. lol. (Though doesnt Gorges play for the Habs?)
After that, Stuart (19&21 approved)
.... Then THREE MORE BUFFALO PLAYERS
seriously, Buffalo is awful. 16 out of the 22 worst Corsis are Sabres.
Best Corsi when compared to the rest of the team (aka MVP)
Voracek
Thornton
Bergeron
Raffl
HERTL
worst Corsi when compared to rest of team:
Malhotra (no shit)
Gaustad
Glendening
Nystrom
Campbell
Facing the toughest competition:
Fehr
Zetterberg
Laich
Eakin
Marleu
Interesting sidenotes:
The ONLY Leafs player with a positiv Corsi is Kadri annd it's barely above 0) JVR is worst.
Brovat worst Corsi on the Canucks Edler&Tanev best
BGally&AGally best on the Habs
Corsi (Shots for team vs against) leaders:
Sharp (22 more shot attempts for than against per 60 minutes)
Bergeron
Toews
Datsyuk
Thornton
Tatar (!)
Worst Corsi:
Malhotra (an incredible 34 more shot attempts AGAINST per 60 mins
.. And he faces much easier competition than anyone else on the losers list :/ )
Then an impressive FIVE BUFFALO PLAYERS IN A ROW. lol. (Though doesnt Gorges play for the Habs?)
After that, Stuart (19&21 approved)
.... Then THREE MORE BUFFALO PLAYERS
seriously, Buffalo is awful. 16 out of the 22 worst Corsis are Sabres.
Best Corsi when compared to the rest of the team (aka MVP)
Voracek
Thornton
Bergeron
Raffl
HERTL
worst Corsi when compared to rest of team:
Malhotra (no shit)
Gaustad
Glendening
Nystrom
Campbell
Facing the toughest competition:
Fehr
Zetterberg
Laich
Eakin
Marleu
Interesting sidenotes:
The ONLY Leafs player with a positiv Corsi is Kadri annd it's barely above 0) JVR is worst.
Brovat worst Corsi on the Canucks
Edler&Tanev bestBGally&AGally best on the Habs
I was finally graced with MonHun4 demo codes, but they only sent me two. I gave one to a friend and someone already gave me one, so I have a spare
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and yes buffalo really stinks this year, lol. it's the worst team since possession stats were recorded I think. even more incredibly, the Leafs (pre-Horachek) were actually worse in terms of scoring chances against per game. That's nuts.
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and yes buffalo really stinks this year, lol. it's the worst team since possession stats were recorded I think. even more incredibly, the Leafs (pre-Horachek) were actually worse in terms of scoring chances against per game. That's nuts.
CrazedArabMan
Member
Corsi is still stupid.
Clearsi for life!!
Clearsi for life!!
seriously though, this Corsi stuff has taken over everything in here now