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NHL Lockout With Your Cock Out |OT|

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Solo

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wsoxfan1214 said:
Of course there are, but there's also potential in that area unlike most of the southern expansion teams. Markham wouldn't add to the fanbase of the NHL, as I almost can guarantee that people there follow the league already.
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NHL needs to stop worrying about "growing the game" and start focusing on what this lockout is all about: cash money. QC and GTA teams = cash cows. Easy money.

The game will NEVER reach the NBA level in the US, let alone the MLB level, let the fuck alone the NFL level. Bettman needs to let that go.
 
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wsoxfan1214

Banned
Solo said:
NHL needs to stop worrying about "growing the game" and start focusing on what this lockout is all about: cash money. QC and GTA teams = cash cows. Easy money.
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God forbid they try to garner a larger interest in the league in the US. Definitely wouldn't be good for the game of hockey and the league if they succeeded.
 
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Cake Boss

Banned
I think Colombus could still support a NHL team, its just this season that the fans and the city finally had enough, the club has been doing alright considering the shit product that has been put on the ice in its existence. Same with the Isles. Phoenix on the other hand is done.
 
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Marvie_3

Banned
Solo said:
The fuck are you ranting about? Good christ talk about missing the mark entirely. Montreal could have a Leafs-like drought or Wings-like success and I would still be saying the same thing I am now. I am not saying this as some biased Habs fan. I say this as someone who wants to see hockey succeed and see the best possible product.
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So you want to see hockey succeed by shrinking the league?

Give this a read:

Raw Numbers: Hockey’s Growth in the United States — 1990-2010

This is how you get hockey to succeed, Solo, not by contracting. At some point you need to start reaching out and trying to bring in new fans, which is what the NHL has been trying to do for the last 20+ years. Is every market going to be successful? Of course not. But to just drop half a dozen teams is fucking stupid.
 
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Solo

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wsoxfan1214 said:
God forbid they try to garner a larger interest in the league in the US.
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They've already done that with untraditional markets like Ohio, Arizona and Florida. It failed, more or less.

EDIT: I'm gonna stop debating this, but I guess the gist of my thoughts are that in North America, hockey is a Canadian passion and a regional US passion, and I honestly don't feel it will ever be anything more.
 
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Marvie_3

Banned
Solo said:
The NHL in Seattle? I'd say there are a lot of fucking questions there.
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I'm dying to hear them.

Cake Boss said:
I think Colombus could still support a NHL team, its just this season that the fans and the city finally had enough, the club has been doing alright considering the shit product that has been put on the ice in its existence. Same with the Isles. Phoenix on the other hand is done.
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Exactly.

Solo said:
They've already done that with untraditional markets like Ohio, Arizona and Florida. It failed, more or less.
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Arizona is the only one that's a complete failure.
 
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KernelPanic

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Columbus would be a good market but they've been the most utterly mismanaged team in the NHL. It's amazing anyone shows up considering the idiots running the team.

And I think they're OK financially:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/03/29/arena-deal-closes.html

The Franklin County Convention Facilities Authority closed on the arena yesterday afternoon in a $42.5 million deal that will be financed with up to a third of the casino tax revenue due to Columbus and Franklin County.

With maintenance, operating and debt service costs, arena ownership is expected to cost the city and county more than $250 million through 2039.

The deal is expected to save the struggling Blue Jackets $9.5 million per year through a rent-free lease with the authority. Nationwide, the former majority owner of the arena, agreed to invest $52 million in the Blue Jackets to take a 30 percent ownership interest in the team. It also will pay the team $28.5 million over 10 years for naming rights to the arena.

The Blue Jackets have said since 2009 that they are losing money, in part because of an unfavorable lease deal with the arena’s former owners. Team officials had discussed the possibility of moving the team.
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Can't just single out money losing teams without looking into why they're losing money.
 
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Acid08

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Bringing the California teams into question? I thought they're all doing fine. So Cal might be crowded with two teams though. If they were to move one it's not like all the fans would just go to support the team left standing.
 
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Marvie_3

Banned
Acid08 said:
Bringing the California teams into question? I thought they're all doing fine. So Cal might be crowded with two teams though. If they were to move one it's not like all the fans would just go to support the team left standing.
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NONTRADITIONAL MARKETS
 
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Dubbedinenglish

Banned
Acid08 said:
If they were to move one it's not like all the fans would just go to support the team left standing.
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This is often forgot in these discussions that these markets are not like what happened when the Jets or Nords were moved. Large majorities of those markets still watched hockey and were still involved with the NHL. Move a southern team and that base, and the potential base is gone.
 
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Red_Man

I Was There! Official L Receiver 2/12/2016
This thread....just kill it.....kill it now....

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Acid08

Banned
Dubbedinenglish said:
This is often forgot in these discussions that these markets are not like what happened when the Jets or Nords were moved. Large majorities of those markets still watched hockey and were still involved with the NHL. Move a southern team and that base, and the potential base is gone.
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Watching the NHL after your team gets moved must be so difficult. Obviously it's still awesome to watch hockey but there must be a huge disconnect knowing that your team is gone. I wouldn't be able to be a fan of any other team the same way.
 
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Parch

Member
I think Seattle is long overdue. They've always had good support for WHL but just lacked an arena and ownership for a shot at an NHL franchise. I think it would work.
Quit trying to desperately sell hockey to the south.
 
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Osorio

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The problem with NHL in the US is that there is no US based NHL team that is without competition.

NBA has Sacramento, Oklahoma City, San Antonio, Portland, Salt Lake, and Orlando. Portland and Salt Lake have MLS teams but their schedule do not intertwine for the most part.

In the NHL there's only Carolina that pretty much controls most of their professional sports marketplace.

It's hard to grow the game in a market where you are competing with NFL, NBA, College Football/Basketball all at the same time.
 
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Acid08

Banned
Osorio said:
The problem with NHL in the US is that there is no US based NHL team that is without competition.

NBA has Sacramento, Oklahoma City, San Antonio, Portland, Salt Lake, and Orlando. Portland and Salt Lake have MLS teams but their schedule do not intertwine for the most part.

In the NHL there's only Carolina that pretty much controls most of their professional sports marketplace.

It's hard to grow the game in a market where you are competing with NFL, NBA, College Football/Basketball all at the same time.
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The Warriors!

lol
 
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Dubbedinenglish

Banned
Osorio said:
The problem with NHL in the US is that there is no US based NHL team that is without competition.

NBA has Sacramento, Oklahoma City, San Antonio, Portland, Salt Lake, and Orlando. Portland and Salt Lake have MLS teams but their schedule do not intertwine for the most part.

In the NHL there's only Carolina that pretty much controls most of their professional sports marketplace.

It's hard to grow the game in a market where you are competing with NFL, NBA, College Football/Basketball all at the same time.
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This as well. In south Florida the Cats have the MLB, NBA, NFL and NCAA (UofM) to compete with. Also why I think the season should start 1month earlier or later to give space from the NBA. The NHL will never beat the NBA with competing playoff schedules.
 
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Rodeo Clown

All aboard! The Love train!
Acid08 said:
For sure, I wonder why they're even still here.

The Bay Area already has enough sports, the Warriors have been the team that fell by the wayside.
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Their attendance has always been good, like top-10 in the NBA. They're moving out of Oracle to San Francisco soon, though.
 
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Acid08

Banned
Rodeo Clown said:
Their attendance has always been good, like top-10 in the NBA. They're moving out of Oracle to San Francisco soon, though.
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Which is weird considering they hold no buzz here. Probably because they're bad.

Osorio said:
Instead they're getting an arena next to AT&T Park...

Poor Oakland
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Yeah, Oakland has no luck :/. Great city but overshadowed by all the BS that goes on there.

The entrance to the Coliseum from BART is hilarious though:

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Feels like a prison.
 
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Osorio

Member
Dubbedinenglish said:
This as well. In south Florida the Cats have the MLB, NBA, NFL and NCAA (UofM) to compete with. Also why I think the season should start 1month earlier or later to give space from the NBA. The NHL will never beat the NBA with competing playoff schedules.
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In the US most teams just need better grassroots efforts to grow the game. If you think about it, most NHL teams based in the US are in highly urbanized metropolitan areas. In urban areas football, basketball, basketball and soccer will all get precedent for playing time over hockey because it's cheaper. For me, hardly any of my friends follow hockey because they don't know the rules.

Even with 3 teams in the NY metropolitan areas it's very under the radar in the urban areas. Most of the fans come from suburban Jersey, Westchester, suburban Queens/Brooklyn or Long Island. That's because they live in areas where their parents can afford to buy them hockey equipment.
 
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Osorio

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Acid08 said:
Yeah, Oakland has no luck :/. Great city but overshadowed by all the BS that goes on there.
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I love Oakland. While SF is pretty much a utopia it is a bit too bourgie for my tastes. Whenever I went to Oakland for a show or whatever, I had a great time.
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
alexthekid said:
You guys should just watched the premier league. Everton - Newcastle was almost as exciting as hockey!
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NBA basketball is about 100 times more exciting than soccer, and basketball isn't anywhere close to the NHL.
 
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alexthekid

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Osorio said:
Demba Ba is a beast.
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He was just phenomenal, nice to see him in this form, hasn´t been this good since last fall.
Red_Man said:
I heard no one dived for 3 whole minutes.
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Of course there where some dives, the refs caught some and missed some, trust me i hate it as much as you guys do.
SCHUEY F1 said:
The only thing soccer has in common with hockey is the Mike Riberio would fit in in both sports.
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And Crosby, Sedins, Kesler, Pacchioretty(or that other guy im not the only one mixing their names up), Marchand and Ovie
Plinko said:
NBA basketball is about 100 times more exciting than soccer, and basketball isn't anywhere close to the NHL.
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Basketball? come on son
Marvie_3 said:
Soccer......almost as exciting as hockey? LOL Get the fuck outta here.....
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It was like the best game of the season, It had everything
 
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