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NHL Lockout With Your Cock Out |OT|
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Cleary will be a Red Wing for at least another decade.
CrazedArabMan
Member
This, TSN guys seemed to be ripping the NHLPA apart, I think this is the tipping point in which we see the great unbreakable Titanic called the NHLPA start to sink.
THEY DID YOU A FAVOR. THE RAPTORS WILL LOSE AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
snck pls
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
It doesn't help he's stubborn about shit teams markets
Please fill in the missing premise.
All he said was that there could be a deal as early as Wednesday based on meetings Monday night (that nobody else reported) . Where would a Boston reporter get that kind of information? Jeremy Jacobs?
So the owners used the media to get some positive spin on their concessions and when they didn't get the response they wanted that possibility went out the window.
Owners negotiating through the media? Shocker.
Which is why those guys should be putting pressure on Fehr right now, not when they decertify, a season is wiped, and the offer gets a million times worse.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
:lol
Probably
And every year he continues to suck we'll keep hearing about a "knee injury."
I think they will. I don't expect the deal will happen until the summer, but I won't be the slightest bit surprised if Fehr is shitbinned within in a month, especially if the NHL axes the season.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
I've decided on the analogy that's most applicable here. If you own say a tech startup and want to make a new widget. You don't get to say I will only pay engineers $X dollars because otherwise I won't make a profit. You pay whatever you HAVE to pay to get engineers who can make what you want. The Coyotes are the equivalent of tech startup that wants to make $20 computers but can't afford to do it, so instead they blame the engineers for costing too much.
word.
You don't understand economics or the issues with the current system.
Please, you're making this mathematicians' nose bleed.
The long and the short of pro sports labor negotiations for me is this:
The owners give the players a living. Not the other way around. The owners are all independently rich of their own means. The players are rich but dependent on the owners. Thus, the owners will always will the labor dispute.
The owners give the players a living. Not the other way around. The owners are all independently rich of their own means. The players are rich but dependent on the owners. Thus, the owners will always will the labor dispute.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
I do understand. You think the CBA should make every team profitable. I honestly don't. Not every business makes money every year. The CBA should create an environment where reasonably successful teams CAN be successful. Numerous PA proposals would accomplish that. I perfectly understand your argument. I disagree with the fundamental philosophy.
The players are so fucked.
The owners offered "make whole" ONLY on the assumption that a whole season - and then a partial season - would be played. The players called their bluff and tried to negotiate even more. The owners blinked and gave them a little more. The players called their bluff and tried to negotiate even more. The owners got pissed off and chose their "hill to die on".
If there's no season and no revenues this year, "make whole" is off the table. You might not agree with the owner's stubbornness, but the owners actions have been mostly rational and predictable. The players are fucked. Good.
The owners offered "make whole" ONLY on the assumption that a whole season - and then a partial season - would be played. The players called their bluff and tried to negotiate even more. The owners blinked and gave them a little more. The players called their bluff and tried to negotiate even more. The owners got pissed off and chose their "hill to die on".
If there's no season and no revenues this year, "make whole" is off the table. You might not agree with the owner's stubbornness, but the owners actions have been mostly rational and predictable. The players are fucked. Good.
Nothing gets me engaged in a discussion like some good widget talk.
Zzzzzzzzz!
:lol I'm just kidding, keep fighting the good fight. We need someone to balance all the NHL sack lathering around here.
You're too young to be talking about sack lathering, Mckayla.
The problem is that the owners are still willing to do these type of contracts even though they didn't have to. Their players were RFAs. There was no season upcoming. No competition.
All they had to do was wait.
Whatever, I got myself into this, again. I'm done. I don't want to be bothered to follow the lockout news.
The 2012-2013 NHL Season is obviously finished.
I agree, but I think the NHLPA needs better reps.
SpectreFire
Member
No kidding. Bring Trevor Linden back.
Who thought it was a good idea to bring in someone who has a history of shitting the bed in labour negotiations, has zero ties to the sport, and is responsible for more cancelled seasons than for making good deals.
It's not a strike. It's a lockout.
No, you don't understand my argument
My recommended system is mass pool and every team pays a percentage of every dollar (42-44 cents)
I believe every team should be ABLE to profit
18 unprofitable teams is largely the result of a horrible alignment towards NHL players
But keep lapping up everything the nhlpa says
It's more a strike than a lockout
The mechanism that caused this situation was a lockout, yes. But NHL way under realized Canadian growth... Nhlpa wouldn't negotiate... Just wants to play under last CBA (which turned sour, largely on bad HRR%)
Its a lockout, yes, but the antagonist is the nhlpa, not the nhl.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
Apparently having more teams making money in the NHL is bad for the league according to Dopey. Unless we can make PHX profitable.....
Yes Dopey, I get your argument on it. I still don't think adding two profitable teams will elevate the cap beyond where those fringe teams are competitive.
Making PHX ABLE to profit is an artificial system depressing wages. The cap already is that, but you're taking it to an unreasonable extreme. It's lowest common denominator bargaining.
ZeroGravity
Member
The league is built on great players. What separates the NHL from other hockey leagues is its high level of competition. Nothing is given.
SpectreFire
Member
I still can't believe any of you thought there'd be some glimmer of hope. Shit was bad the minute the players said they weren't going to do anything with Fehr's input.
That coveted North Dakota/Wisconsin/Saskatoon market.
KernelPanic
Member
Seems like yesterday that almost all the Canadian teams needed help from the US teams because the Canadian dollar was so low.
Well, for one, they didn't know if there would be a season, nor what the future CBA would look like. So they were operating under the same principles. And if you're talking about Shea Weber, his contract is a perfect example of what I was saying. The Flyers signed him to the offer sheet, partly in order to prevent their competitors (eg, the Penguins) from acquiring him. The Predators matched in order to retain him as a player since he's the cornerstone of their franchise, despite never wanting to pay him that much money. Preemptive arms race gone mad. That's what happens.
...But it is given, that's the thing. The players talent alone isn't what makes the league successful, especially when it comes to a "fringe" sport like hockey.
I was actually talking about bruce and JABEE.
Doesn't really matter which side you, um, side with.
Both were handsomely rewarded under the last CBA. Both would have been handsomely rewarded under the new CBA. 43% vs. 57%, 50% vs. 50%, etc. etc. It doesn't really matter. They are both compensated well.
This lockout is an example of a failure in negotiations. Not because one side is wrong and the other is right, but because both sides fucking suck at negotiating.
:lol love the new avatar.
I know right, who would have thought that after their most productive days of negotiations there may be some hope, what chumps.
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
California is doing fine, thanks.
His Xtreme input