Toronto vs. Detroit!
I still remember watching that in my parent's room and then running around the house yelling and dancing after the goal.
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NHL Lockout With Your Cock Out |OT|
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Toronto vs. Detroit!
I still remember watching that in my parent's room and then running around the house yelling and dancing after the goal.
He isn't unable to play. If he wants to play so bad he can sign in Europe like other players. He's not going to make nearly as much there which is why he's pissed.
I'm sure it'll just be Fehr's used toilet paper like their other proposals.
If its anything like any of their last 4?
NHL is the only party that has shown up to the bargaining table
Don't expect any serious proposals for at least a couple more months. Until things get riskier (ie, oh no we may lose an entire season) , they'll use these opportunities to show how headstrong and unified they are.
Holy Eastern bias, Batman
KernelPanic
Member
Fehr is just stalling and hoping the owners cave in. I think we'd need to have player revolt from within like last time to get anything done.
Give it time.....
Players don't seem to understand that the owners have other streams of revenue and not entirely dependent on hockey games like the players are. There is a reason why they are owners, they have multiple investments on other things than just hockey, thats why the owners will never cave.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Wasn't Toronto part of the Western Conference in the 90's?
The '93 game was two teams from the Campbell Conference, which was mostly western teams, but that doesn't change the point.
yankeehater
Member
I cant see how that could be the case. If they canceled the season in Nov. and then got a deal in Dec. they would look incredibly stupid.
If they cancel the season in November there's no way a deal gets done in December. Neither side will want to negotiate until next summer.
Why the hell did he put the hastag #leafs?
yankeehater
Member
That is an excellent point. Nov just seems way to early to give up on things. Man I hope that isnt true.
Ah, the stupidity of the NHL and NHLPA.
Why do today what we can do at the 11th hour, right?!
He's still somehow covering the Leafs.
what a slap in the face that would be.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
What an absolute disaster for the league. Rising popularity? Rising ratings? More income? SHUT IT DOWN.
ZeroGravity
Member
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'd actually be in favor of the league shutting down the entire season in November than having this thing drag into January/February and then shutting it down, OR getting the deal done then and having a sham of a season with a Cup final that goes well into July.
At least with the threat of cancelling the season earlier, it actually puts a meaningful deadline that the players (theoretically) will have to respect and seriously negotiate before, and if it works we can still have a somewhat decent season salvaged. Unless I'm missing something, the way both sides are going, the issue needs to be forced sooner rather than later.
At least with the threat of cancelling the season earlier, it actually puts a meaningful deadline that the players (theoretically) will have to respect and seriously negotiate before, and if it works we can still have a somewhat decent season salvaged. Unless I'm missing something, the way both sides are going, the issue needs to be forced sooner rather than later.
You were here all this time?
I've seen someone else say this, too, and even though I'm tempted to agree just because... I don't actually understand the logic. When a team has the best record over 82 games, it's meaningless. The regular season doesn't matter, many say. What matters is the 16 wins against 4 opponents. BUT if those 82 games are cut in half, and the all-important 4 playoff series are preserved, the entire season is suddenly a sham.
yankeehater
Member
I wont complain 1 bit if the Flyers win a cup in a shortened season.
Neither would I (if the Canucks were to win). But I'm sure fans of rebuilding teams would have no problem scoffing at the thought.
ZeroGravity
Member
I don't think 82 games is a magic number that is required to make everything legitimate...but playing 40 something games, with no training camps, preseason, and a lot of these guys not playing during the lockout...it's just not an accurate picture of a season. Remember how hot the Wild got during the first half of last year only to collapse in the second half? Would the Kings have even made the playoffs? You need a bigger sample size to determine who really deserves a shot at playing for the Cup.
EDIT: That doesn't even factor in how many more injuries would result from trying to cram so many games into a short timespan.
Freyjadour
Member
Took a break from work to watch a Barons scrimmage today. If the games were televised, I wouldn't mind this lockout so much.
sazabirules
Unconfirmed Member
I'm ready for the lockout to continue. I got tickets to the first Admirals game next Friday. Heretic who should I look out for? I know Palmieri and Lindholm.
But that's not really how it works in reality. It's not like: 'the bigger the sample size, the closer the results reflect some objective truth'. There's an ebb and flow throughout the entire season, including during the playoffs. A team could get hot early on eand taper off (Wild), just as a team that does OK over 82 games could get hot the moment the playoffs begin (Kings), just as another team that has a great second half of the season (Pittsburgh) could get bounced in the first round.
The long regular season has never been about forming a large sample size to determine the most worthy 16 teams - it's been about money and drawing as much value from the players as possible.
The timing of the playoffs doesn't determine which team is the objective best. It determines which great team peaked at the right time and did the best under heightened pressure (and physical attrition).
ZeroGravity
Member
I don't see why it can't be both.
Huh? I addressed the former with the rest of my post. My point with that sentence was that they made the season that long for the sake of money.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Howden and MacFarland being beasts in Rampage camp. Mi Gusta.
+1 Last I checked, New Jersey still proudly displays their '94-95 banner.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
I'm gonna agree with the "substantial length" theory here. If the season is around 60-ish let's say I think it's probably comparable. The issue is whether the teams were subjected to the regular level of "grind" associated with other seasons. Did teams get the chance to go up and down, or was seeding determined primarily by hot streaks that would be controlled for in a longer season. Think last year's Wild. How far into the season did we have to get for them to reach where they belonged in the standings?
KernelPanic
Member
LOL now Dreger is giving it to Walsh for his constant whining.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Yeah, that last line sums up my view of the players.
Love it.
UberTag
Member
The trick is that you have to TELL the Leafs the season is still 82 games.
By the time they realize the season is only half as long as normal they won't have time to tank their playoff fortunes away.
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
Emerson Etem, Devante Smith-Pelly and Peter Holland. Studs.
Oh HERETIC.. well excuse me, *heel turns and storms out*.
If a team wins a cup in a 41-game season, would people still consider it a valid win?
sazabirules
Unconfirmed Member
It sounds like you guys have a good amount of offensive talent in the pipeline.
We continue to validate (ie, treat as equal) Cups that were won in a league with half ('79) and even 1/5 ('67 and decades before) the amount of teams competing.
I get what you guys are saying, but I think this line of thinking is a bit tautological. I don't see how a larger sample is sacred in determining the 16 when the teams that make the playoffs in April are often not the best teams at that point either, not to mention that after 41 games you've normally got 90% of the teams seeded that make the playoffs in April AND if you go to 100 games you're inevitably going to return to about 90% 'accuracy'. And then you put them in a competition that renders the previous six months irrelevant and gives you a tiny sample (1-2 weeks) to do your best against a single team.
AngmarsKing701
Member
Asterisk
It's always an asterisk if your team doesn't win according to fans.
