Newark is really fucked because of this. Losing the Nets and Devils this season.
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Newark is really fucked because of this. Losing the Nets and Devils this season.
thats what bothers me the most with the players and their patronizing and whining.
HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF SOMEONE WAS TAKING MONEY FROM YOU, i dunno man, go ask the people who's businesses you're damaging, and the people you're putting out of work so you can cry about millions of dollars.
Aaaand back to X-COM.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
There have been a bunch of downtown San Jose businesses featured on local news talking about this :/. Lots of businesses are hurting.
maybe if that happens your coach will be on step closer to the door! some positives in an ass whooping.
KingHenrik30
Member
that's not going to do anything.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
#FireFehr
Probably not but maybe we can get some more great tweets from players saying stupid shit.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
If the proposals are as far from 50/50 as claimed... Well even I'm on board at calling bullshit. If the players came back with a deal that worked out to like 52.5 I'm calling bullshit on Bettman then.
Not clear what the case is here, particularly concerning the reports we were hearing just prior.
Not clear what the case is here, particularly concerning the reports we were hearing just prior.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh man, this is amazing.
What's even funnier as that after a year off, revenue will drop even further and that will result in even less money for players.
KernelPanic
Member
Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun
Backes to me via text: "We feel our newest proposal took a great step towards getting a deal done. It's too bad the owners don't" ... "... feel that way and I fear that we may miss an extended amount of time now."
LOL
We'll ask for more money ... that will move us towards getting a deal done !
Backes to me via text: "We feel our newest proposal took a great step towards getting a deal done. It's too bad the owners don't" ... "... feel that way and I fear that we may miss an extended amount of time now."
LOL
We'll ask for more money ... that will move us towards getting a deal done !
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Bunch of cunts.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Potentially more than 57% in year one? How about that?
Best way to vent my frustration. Good enough for me. Childish, probably, but sports isn't exactly rational.
I support you.
KingHenrik30
Member
Hey backes, your gonna miss an extended amount of money too!
Players saying shit like this isn't endearing them to the fans.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
Yeah and they gave three offers and we don't know the breakdowns. One year in one proposal is cherrypicking facts.
Before everyone jumps on Gary's "take it or leave it" stance I suggest looking up Boulwarism and realizing it's ILLEGAL in the US for an employer to come to the table, make an offer, and say "this is our best offer and we won't do any better." If that's what the NHL is doing here the PA is going to file a ULP within the week and we're never gonna get a season.
apocalidiot
Banned
Local sports radio not even talking about this because they'd rather speculate for hours on end how the Bears will do against the Lions for the entire day
Did Bettman say that their last offer was it and they wouldn't change or negotiate anymore?
I don't think that's the case...
Guess we'll just wait for more info to come out, but masterfully done by the NHL in an effort to make the NHLPA look bad. They succeeded.
they made it clear that was their best offer, but were open to tweaks modifications.
the players are " gonna get this work" at some point. Can't feel like they're gonna get a way better deal after say a year off when they're the ones in financial trouble as they seem to make it out like they are now.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
He did say that their last offer was "the best offer they were going to give." That likely isn't enough but if he's at the table unwilling to budge on that offer then the NHLPA would be perfectly within their rights to bring the ULP.
KernelPanic
Member
They came to discuss changes to it and negotiate.
The PA came out with 3 variations of their 1st proposal instead.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
According to Bettman... which is obviously an impartial source....
But... that's not what's happening here. For them to be practicing Boulwarism, they wouldn't be entertaining counter-proposals from the NHLPA.
KernelPanic
Member
Well we'll see but all Fehr has been doing so far is doing variations of his de-linked proposal so far so it's not a stretch. I'm sure more details will emerge.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
"Entertaining" proposals isn't negotiating. If they just look at everything and say "Nope what we proposed was less and that's the best we'll do" then they're practicing Boulwarism.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
Players need to make their proposals public like the league did. Only way to maintain legitimacy at this point. Once the two sides get closer they can impose a blackout again and start dealing in the details.
But that's not what's happening. You're trying to contort this into Boulwarism, when it's not.
KernelPanic
Member
I believe the PA has already said they're not releasing them.
brucewaynegretzky
Member
I don't see how you can be certain of that based on Bettman's statements. He's said "This is the best offer we're prepared to make." It's unclear what that means, and they were only in there for an hour, which could pretty easily imply flippant rejections.
And that's the point where you need to step back and reevaluate the strategy. Your support is going to last forever. I can't imagine what the long term strategy is at this point. They made an initial offer that average out to what, 54% over the life of the contract? You can't come down 1.5% from that and start dealing?
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
What do they have to Fehr.
The players were upset at the NHL for releasing their offer yesterday. They would like like fools to do the same thing 24 hours later. Well, bigger fools.
If you enjoy listening to uneducated high school dropouts who suffered multiple concussions talk about labor negotiation and financial systems then yeah sure it could be entertaining.