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NHL March 2013 |OT| Black History Forever
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Impossible.
That would imply that Calgary realizes the team is going nowhere and they want to rebuild.
my friend is arguing Wins is most important. We are all Pens fans and he has an obsession with Fleury. We are saying he's a great goalie, like top 15 or so, and he always tries to argue that he's elite.
just said, "Haha bro the goalies themselves say wins. That's really all you need to know pal"
He's good but not elite ... Top 15 though? Yeah. Likely in that range.
Pens are an offense driven team
Wins mean nothing a lot of the time - good for player record but not best stat. I think Andrew Raycroft holds leafs record for wins in a season... And that says everything about wins
Based on what I've read today this lineup seems most likely.
Who the fuck is Jake Muzzin and why does he have the by far highest Corsi rating (shots on opposing net - shots on own net while on the ice) of ALL NHL d-men? Top2 corsi d-men are both LA's... Karlsson is 4th.
For forwards, 3 out of the top 4 are also LA's. wtf. LA is dominating Corsi.... Are they just unfortunate during the regular season but ready to go crazy in the playoffs again?
Williams, Kopitar and Brown are 1,2 and 4 among forward- corsi respectively. Damn.
Daniel and Henrik are 3rd and 5th, not bad.
For forwards, 3 out of the top 4 are also LA's. wtf. LA is dominating Corsi.... Are they just unfortunate during the regular season but ready to go crazy in the playoffs again?
Williams, Kopitar and Brown are 1,2 and 4 among forward- corsi respectively. Damn.
Daniel and Henrik are 3rd and 5th, not bad.
Not bad. Kadri climbing up the lineup. You could pretty much mix around the first two lines and still get some good offensive output from them.
KernelPanic
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I think you'd have to consider zone starts and quality of competition as well to get a clearer picture.
Sedins get something like 90%+ starts in the OZ for example.
Phaneuf still saddled with the trash unfortunately, the top pairing is killing him and our D.
I love those top two lines though. Rebuild the third next year and change Orr with McLaren and we're good to go.
Then I'd love to see Phaneuf with Gardiner, Reilly with Franson and Liles with Fraser on D.
KernelPanic
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I can see how trading Gaborik might make sense for the Rangers, I can't see why any team would give up a 1st rounder, top prospects/players for a talented, injury prone player with 1 year left on his high cap hit contract.
Kulie and Frattin may be switched around for the start but who knows once the game gets going. Frattin has not played that well since returning, he needs to get it together. Also Carlyle said that Gardiner will start with Liles but will try out different pairings. Only definite is him playing on the left side.
Of those getting less than 50% offensive zone starts, and >10 GP:
Corsi-leading d-men:
(Redmond, exactly 50% off. Start)
Letang
Boychuk
PK Subban
Forwards:
... Adam Cracknell, STL? Wat.
Clarkson
Elias
Danny Briere's Corsi is -4.47. I don't know much about this statistic, but that seems bad.
Randy Carlyle is a tremendous fan of Warcraft 3, specifically the Arthas story arc. Carlyle actually went on a bit long post game rant in the Leafs dressing room about how in Frozen Throne the character went to shit and blamed Metzen for the awful dialogue.
Corsi = shots for your team - shots against your team while on the ice. So basically, Philly gets outshot while Briere is on the ice. (Could be due to many factors, but usually negative corse while >50% off. Zone starts = very bad, the opposite = very good.)
Lone_Prodigy
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Jake Muzzin plays with Doughty. I would assume as the Kings' top offensive D-pairing they'd get first-unit PP time along with offensive zone faceoffs.
I regret passing on Muzzin in my hockey pool.
I regret passing on Muzzin in my hockey pool.
I still don't really think it's going to happen because I don't think the right pieces are going to be out there in the right places, but I also don't think we'd be looking for top guys for him. If we lost Gaborik in a trade, Nash would move back to the right and Hagelin would go back to the left wing on the top line, and JT Miller would probably graduate to Stepan's line. Kreider might or might not get called back up (he's been on fire with the Whale since he was sent back down, already scoring more goals in his last 8 games than he did in the Whale's first 34 games). The 4th line is pretty well set with Asham/Haley-Halpern-Powe. What they would really want in exchange for Gaborik is basically a third line. I think they'd probably want at least two bottom 6 guys plus a draft pick, possibly a first rounder since we gave ours up to the BJs.
Basically, they're looking for depth guys. I don't think you can trade away Gaborik for just a couple of scrubs, though. The dude's scored 40+ in two of the last three years, and his pace this season isn't really any different from the year between those seasons. The guy's streaky, but he's still dangerous, and he's been showing signs that he may be due to pull out of his slump in the last few games.
I wouldn't get rid of Gaborik unless it's really really really worth it, and I'm not sure I've heard about anything that's worth it yet.
SuperSonic1305
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Only in Toronto is calling up a player from the Marlies a front page cover story.
I'm really curious about Kreider's call up. Torts sounded really positive about him last night, but his comments seemed to indicate that bringing him back up wasn't something they were going to do any time soon, and the fact is it sounds like Asham may be back on Sunday, and Haley has been adding a pretty nice physical edge to the team, so there isn't really any urgent need to bring Kreider back into the mix at this particular point in time.
Maybe something else is going on...?
Maybe something else is going on...?
On TSN1290 listening to some random Montreal beat reporter from RDS guesting, and he's saying if Byfuglien was available for trade (not that he thinks he is or would be, but hypothetically if he was) than the Habs could "probably" find a spot for him in the top 6.
Shit, I didn't realize the Habs had cloned 4 copies of Larry Robinson to go along with PK. No wonder they're playing so well!
Shit, I didn't realize the Habs had cloned 4 copies of Larry Robinson to go along with PK. No wonder they're playing so well!
T.M. MacReady
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Mike Keenan has joined the Islanders organization
http://www.dartmouthsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=11600&ATCLID=206837360
http://www.dartmouthsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=11600&ATCLID=206837360
not THAT Mike Keenan. Jeez, Darsh. You're even dumber than I thought!
We might be able to find a spot for Kane somewhere in our top 9 if you send him our way too, maybe.
Simon Belmont
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I have the weirdest boner right now
No longer just #1 in our hearts! But #1 in the WHL too!
Darren Dietz was robbed!
ActStriker
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McQuaid out 3-4 weeks with shoulder strain :/
dropping like flies
dropping like flies
SpectreFire
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Kassian not on the road-trip.
Sestito is limping.
Booth is on a plane heading to god knows where.
/canucks
Sestito is limping.
Booth is on a plane heading to god knows where.
/canucks
Let's break it down folks. Mike Gillis' history with the Canucks:
1) Drafts Cody Hogdson. Later trades him for Zack Kassian - STATUS: PENDING (won't know until both players fully mature, needs 2-3 more years)
2) Signs Mat Sundin - STATUS: NEUTRAL (controversial status, but this player is what kick started the Sedin era as he has been credited by both Sedins and Kesler as improving their play)
3) Signs Alex Burrows to an $8M/4 year contract - STATUS: EXCELLENT (best contract in the last 4 years)
4) Signs both Sedins to a $30m/5 year contracts - STATUS: EXCELLENT (both players would end up getting an Art Ross in the following years, would be worth $9M+ now)
5) Trades for Christian Ehrhoff using B-level prospects - STATUS: EXCELLENT (ehrhoff would become one of the top offensive d-men in the league during the years with the Canucks)
6) Signs Mikael Samuellson and Shirkov - STATUS: NEUTRAL (samuellson would end up being a key player for the team but shirkov was a bust)
7) Files tampering charges against the Maple Leafs - STATUS: FUNNY
8) Trades for Keith Ballard, giving up Grabner + Bernier - STATUS: BAD (Keith Ballard would take 2 years to develop into the west coast style hockey, waste of contract space right now)
OK I got bored. That's where I'll end it. Goes down hill from there.
1) Drafts Cody Hogdson. Later trades him for Zack Kassian - STATUS: PENDING (won't know until both players fully mature, needs 2-3 more years)
2) Signs Mat Sundin - STATUS: NEUTRAL (controversial status, but this player is what kick started the Sedin era as he has been credited by both Sedins and Kesler as improving their play)
3) Signs Alex Burrows to an $8M/4 year contract - STATUS: EXCELLENT (best contract in the last 4 years)
4) Signs both Sedins to a $30m/5 year contracts - STATUS: EXCELLENT (both players would end up getting an Art Ross in the following years, would be worth $9M+ now)
5) Trades for Christian Ehrhoff using B-level prospects - STATUS: EXCELLENT (ehrhoff would become one of the top offensive d-men in the league during the years with the Canucks)
6) Signs Mikael Samuellson and Shirkov - STATUS: NEUTRAL (samuellson would end up being a key player for the team but shirkov was a bust)
7) Files tampering charges against the Maple Leafs - STATUS: FUNNY
8) Trades for Keith Ballard, giving up Grabner + Bernier - STATUS: BAD (Keith Ballard would take 2 years to develop into the west coast style hockey, waste of contract space right now)
OK I got bored. That's where I'll end it. Goes down hill from there.
SuperSonic1305
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9) 15/16 Destiny
Better than 0/0 buddy.
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
Cups won?
Since 2004, 0. You guys won, be happy and stop trolling, you're 1/1 since 2004!
Dastardly Jerks
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"Since 2004"? Was Lord Stanley's Cup something else in 2003?
Also I didn't win a cup. The Ducks did.
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NHL.com has some good shit up on there today with the NHL '94 20th anniversary. Roenick WAS the boss in that game. I always used the Sharks and played manual goalie with Irbe, then used Doug Wilson (dude had 99 shot power) to rip slap shots high stick side all day long or just spammed one-timers. Cheese goals were forbidden.
Still the best game ever.
Still the best game ever.
I want you guys to really understand my 2004 angle before you disagree with it.
Before 2004, there were too many factors that gave benefits to some teams and hurt other teams:
- Montreal / Quebec drafting exclusivity
- Canadian to US exchange rate
- Ability to buy as many players as your owner could afford
- Unable to keep your top prospects and talent
- A weak expansion draft model several times
- Select european scouting access
- Limited amount of teams (thus increasing odds) before final expansion
- More open game, much harder to shut down superstars
These factors have led to specific teams having won a whole bunch of Cups and others struggling to those teams.
Since 2004, everyone is on the same playing ground and you can compare equally.
So what I'm saying is that Cup your Ducks won is worth more than some old Maple Leafs cup in my eyes.
Before 2004, there were too many factors that gave benefits to some teams and hurt other teams:
- Montreal / Quebec drafting exclusivity
- Canadian to US exchange rate
- Ability to buy as many players as your owner could afford
- Unable to keep your top prospects and talent
- A weak expansion draft model several times
- Select european scouting access
- Limited amount of teams (thus increasing odds) before final expansion
- More open game, much harder to shut down superstars
These factors have led to specific teams having won a whole bunch of Cups and others struggling to those teams.
Since 2004, everyone is on the same playing ground and you can compare equally.
So what I'm saying is that Cup your Ducks won is worth more than some old Maple Leafs cup in my eyes.
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No I wouldn't, but do the yankee fans think there's anything wrong with their team buying all the star players they can? When you're biased, it's hard to evaluate fairness.