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[Dastardly Jerks]

A bunch of dudes wearing the same jersey in 2007 put more pucks in net at appropriate times than the other dudes in other jerseys did.

It also happened in 1964.

 

[Acid08]

No I wouldn't, but do the yankee fans think there's anything wrong with their team buying all the star players they can? Fairness and bias are 2 separate things.

Oh please. It only isn't fair because the Canucks didn't win.

 

[Red_Man]

Before 2004, there were too many factors that gave benefits to some teams and hurt other teams:

- Montreal / Quebec drafting exclusivity

Ignoring all your other stupid points, I just want to debunk this because I'm tired of every other team throwing this out, because it's pure bullshit. Out of the players the Habs were able to get only like 2 actually made it to the NHL.

 

[Tabris]

Oh please. It only isn't fair because the Canucks didn't win.

So you're disputing the fact those factors created an unfair situation?

Pre-2004 NHL is the same as basketball right now. How can a team like the Bobcats ever compete with a team like the Heat?

 

[Cake Boss]

Wait, so if the Canucks win the cup with the Sedins, itdoesnt count because they were drafted before 2004.

 

[Tabris]

I mean really think about this. In 2012, we had the Phoenix Coyotes make it to the western finals. There's so much parity that there hasn't been a repeat Cup winner since 04.

Before 04, it was essentially just Red Wings, Avalanche, and Devils who won cups since 94. There was 1 cup by the Stars in between. That's 10 years of 3 teams out of 30. It gets even worse before the 90s.

 

[pringles]

2002 Red Wings are a great example of some of the points above. That's an asterik'd Cup as far as I'm concerned.

Definitely an "asterik'd" cup.

While you're at it put an asterik on every cup before 2004 and almost any title ever won in any sport.

 

[wsoxfan1214]

Ignoring all your other stupid points, I just want to debunk this because I'm tired of every other team throwing this out, because it's pure bullshit. Out of the players the Habs were able to get only like 2 actually made it to the NHL.

Notice that he ignores your point when you make it. :lol

 

[wsoxfan1214]

Wait. We're saying the game was more open prior to the lockout?

 

[Tabris]

Mahatma Gandhi once said "The measure of a civilization is how it treats it's weakest members"

I like to think that the measure of a sport is how it treats it's weakest members.

 

[Plinko]

2002 Red Wings are a great example of some of the points above. That's an asterik'd Cup as far as I'm concerned.

LOL. OK. Within the rules at the time. No asterisk.

 

[ZeroGravity]

GMs voted to implement hybrid icing for next season, as well as further reduction of goalie equipment. Now needs to be approved by competition committee. A coach's challenge rule was not approved.

 

[Red_Man]

Has anyone had a more apt tag then Tabris?

GMs voted to implement hybrid icing for next season, as well as further reduction of goalie equipment. Now needs to be approved by competition committee. A coach's challenge rule was not approved.

Apparently players don't want the hybrid icing.

 

[Stasis]

I haven't followed this whole argument/debate, but there is literally nothing more annoying NHL-related than hearing Quebecers blab about 24 cups as if what happened back then had anything to do with the current sport.

 

[Heretic]

Shine bright like a diamond!

 

[Kave_Man]

I want you guys to really understand my 2004 angle before you disagree with it.

Before 2004, there were too many factors that gave benefits to some teams and hurt other teams:

- Montreal / Quebec drafting exclusivity
- Canadian to US exchange rate
- Ability to buy as many players as your owner could afford
- Unable to keep your top prospects and talent
- A weak expansion draft model several times
- Select european scouting access
- Limited amount of teams (thus increasing odds) before final expansion
- More open game, much harder to shut down superstars

These factors have led to specific teams having won a whole bunch of Cups and others struggling to those teams.

Since 2004, everyone is on the same playing ground and you can compare equally.

So what I'm saying is that Cup your Ducks won is worth more than some old Maple Leafs cup in my eyes.

This is easily the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life.

 

[wsoxfan1214]

I haven't followed this whole argument/debate, but there is literally nothing more annoying NHL-related than hearing Quebecers blab about 24 cups as if what happened back then had anything to do with the current sport.

This.

Good on hybrid icing.

Heretic. Down for an avatar bet again since you never made one for me to use last time?

 

[Marvie_3]

GMs voted to implement hybrid icing for next season, as well as further reduction of goalie equipment. Now needs to be approved by competition committee. A coach's challenge rule was not approved.

Excellent.

Has anyone had a more apt tag then Tabris?

No. If only he did what it says.

 

[MetatronM]

- More open game, much harder to shut down superstars

What? Isn't this the EXACT opposite of reality? Isn't this why we have the greater prevalence of interference type penalties today? Because the ice wasn't open enough? Isn't this why we have 4-on-4 overtimes now? Isn't that why the Devils in particular won those Cups in the first place, because their trapping style shut teams down?

 

[Marvie_3]

What? Isn't this the EXACT opposite of reality? Isn't this why we have the greater prevalence of interference type penalties today? Because the ice wasn't open enough? Isn't that why the Devils in particular won those Cups in the first place, because their trapping style shut teams down?

He's only been watching hockey for a couple years so he has no idea what he's talking about.

 

[Tabris]

What? Isn't this the EXACT opposite of reality? Isn't this why we have the greater prevalence of interference type penalties today? Because the ice wasn't open enough? Isn't that why the Devils in particular won those Cups in the first place, because their trapping style shut teams down?

That one I'm talking about 80s/Early 90s and earlier. No fight instigation penalty also helped those teams defend their superstars.

 

[CrazedArabMan]

2002 Red Wings are a great example of some of the points above. That's an asterik'd Cup as far as I'm concerned.

Tell me, does it hurt knowing you don't have all of these especially that one in the front, I wouldn't expect you know what it means, but that's when your team actually wins something worthwhile called the Stanley Cup.

Does it hurt even more knowing that your predictions fail year after year and yet you continually do the same thing every year predicting that your team will win the cup and be the great team you think they are?

Have I ever told you the definition... of insanity?

Mahatma Gandhi once said "The measure of a civilization is how it treats it's weakest members"

I like to think that the measure of a sport is how it treats it's weakest members.

Nah, it's completely fine when the weakest members deserve the treatment they get, hence this whole argument.

Spoiler

I'm sorry to all other Canuck's fans in this thread <3

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

So Tabris, if the Canucks win the Cup this year will it be asterisked because it was a 48-game season and pre-realignment (Jets in the SE division)?

 

[Tabris]

All asterisked banners.

EDIT - Except the win against the Penguins.

 

[Smiley90]

Spoiler

I'm sorry to all other Canuck's fans in this thread <3

You were much nicer when you were still shooting teenagers, and that means quite a bit

 

[Cold-Steel]

random stuff, banners

What the fuck man? If you are going to post them, do it right

BANNERS BANNERS BANNERS BANNERS

 

[MetatronM]

To be fair, Tabris should know all about Presidents Trophy banners.

 

[endresults]

GMs voted to implement hybrid icing for next season, as well as further reduction of goalie equipment. Now needs to be approved by competition committee. A coach's challenge rule was not approved.

...which is just going to be offset by bigger goalies. It's still a good idea, though. I miss small goalies.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Chicago vs. Anaheim tonight should be fun to watch.

 

[Merguson]

*blows dust*

Hey look! I found some banners for the Leafs! Imagine that!

 

[CrazedArabMan]

What the fuck man? If you are going to post them, do it right

http://oobujoobu.net/images/banners.jpg[img]
[img]http://oobujoobu.net/images/banners.jpg[img]
[img]http://oobujoobu.net/images/banners.jpg[img]
[img]http://oobujoobu.net/images/banners.jpg[img]

[b]BANNERS BANNERS BANNERS BANNERS[/b][/QUOTE]

I didn't want to go over board, can't have good old Tabris get a heart attack or something.

[quote="MetatronM, post: 50885478"]To be fair, Tabris should know all about Presidents Trophy banners.[/QUOTE]

This is very true, he probably has a few hanging next to his Sedin blow up dolls.

 

[Simon Belmont]

*blows dust*

Hey look! I found some banners for the Leafs! Imagine that!

Is there an asterisk on them? I'm told it should be there.

 

[Kave_Man]

I know someone here has that amazing Canucks presidents trophy painting, please post it.

 

[Marvie_3]

I know someone here has that amazing Canucks presidents trophy painting, please post it.

 

[CrazedArabMan]

^ amazing

Dang I forgot just how stacked that 2002 team was:

Shanahan-Federov-Hull
Robitaille-Yzerman-Larionov
Datsyuk-Devereaux-Holmstrom
Maltby-Draper-McCarty
Williams

Lidstrom-Chelios
Duchesne-Olausson
Fischer-Dandenault

Hasek
Legace

Lines are wrong but they had 4 guys in the top 15 in All-Time goals, insane!

 

[Heretic]

Heretic. Down for an avatar bet again since you never made one for me to use last time?

I'm down like James Brown. Terms?

 

[Solo]

I want you guys to really understand my 2004 angle before you disagree with it.

Before 2004, there were too many factors that gave benefits to some teams and hurt other teams:

- Montreal / Quebec drafting exclusivity
- Canadian to US exchange rate
- Ability to buy as many players as your owner could afford
- Unable to keep your top prospects and talent
- A weak expansion draft model several times
- Select european scouting access
- Limited amount of teams (thus increasing odds) before final expansion
- More open game, much harder to shut down superstars

These factors have led to specific teams having won a whole bunch of Cups and others struggling to those teams.

Since 2004, everyone is on the same playing ground and you can compare equally.

So what I'm saying is that Cup your Ducks won is worth more than some old Maple Leafs cup in my eyes.

Habs have been to 3 Cup finals in my life and won 2 of 'em. Eat a dick, Tabernacle.

 

[Heretic]

Habs have been to 3 Cup finals in my life and won 2 of 'em. Eat a dick, Tabernacle.

LOL!!!

 

[Kave_Man]

So beautiful.

 

[Quick]

I haven't seen an NHL on TSN broadcast from the beginning in ages.

Since when did they start really trying to be HNIC with their intros?

 

[wsoxfan1214]

I'm down like James Brown. Terms?

uhhh. Two weeks?

 

[DopeyFish]

I haven't seen an NHL on TSN broadcast from the beginning in ages.

Since when did they start really trying to be HNIC with their intros?

since they bought the hnic theme song?

 

[Red_Man]

I'm assuming Tabris has this tattooed on his back.

 

[Kave_Man]

Let's go Leafs.

I want to be happy!

 

[Simon Belmont]

Six game losing streak.

I'm getting used to how that sounds, just in case!

 

[Quick]

 

[Quick]

since they bought the hnic theme song?

Should've worded that properly. The pre-game videos.

Generic rock song, words flashing on the screen along with highlights.

 

[bishoptl]

So Tabris, if the Canucks win the Cup this year will it be asterisked because it was a 48-game season and pre-realignment (Jets in the SE division)?

To hell with that. If we win, we win! Don't you dare take that away from me!

and stop talking to Tabris

 

[Red_Man]

Guy needs to do the world a favor and shave that neck beard

 

[DopeyFish]

dat gardiner