My bad. Gary Bettman, totalitarian sympathizer?
Wrong theatre of war, but close enough!
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NHL March |OT| It's Spring, Not Autumn, But The Leafs Are Fallin'
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Wrong theatre of war, but close enough!
Huh? Did you miss those several months where a bunch of us had Kesler avatars? Or the months before that when we were insisting that he be named captain? He's been at God status for a while now.
LA vs. Columbus? Fun? No.
brucewaynegretzky
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O I agree he gets a good amount of credit. But to me if I'm fantasy drafting an NHL team he's in probably my top 5 picks. I'd pick him before a lot of the statistical superstars like Malkin and Stamkos. He doesn't get that kind of recognition.
I'd pick him over either of the Sedins frankly.
But over Stamkos or Malkin like bruce? Lunacy.
brucewaynegretzky
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Two way players are more important and rarer. You can spread out scoring with depth.
depends on the situation, probably not top five, but like Bruce said, his two way play is solid. If i'm drafting my first pick is a great two way center. Every time.
I don't even know how to make sense of this post. You contest my point by suggesting that we don't.... draft him high enough in fantasy pools? *scratches head*
Anyway, he's also been #1 in jersey sales here for a while now. Despite the Sedins putting up back-to-back Art Ross seasons and Luongo being among the top goaltenders in the league. He certainly gets enough credit from Canucks fans. We know what we've got in Kesler.
brucewaynegretzky
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Maybe I'm conflating Nucks fans with the general hockey population then. I can accept that. Bottom line is the guy doesn't get enough credit for what he does, but then again such is the life of the two way player. Most people will never really appreciate what you do. ::cough::MikeRichards::cough::yankeehater::cough::
SpectreFire
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Steven Stamoks has more goals than the King's entire top line.
I disagree, I think two ways centers are very much appreciated in this league. You can't tell me that guys like Datsyuk, Kesler, Toews don't get enough respect from hockey fans. In my mind, it's the shutdown center that gets the least amount of respect. They're the guys on the 3rd line, they often play against the toughest competition and when they're at the top of their game, you don't ever notice them, but you also never notice the players they play against either. From the Canucks, it's players like Pahlsson, Malhotra and Lapierre that deserve an inordinate amount of respect and appreciation for the roles they play.
I disagree, I think two ways centers are very much appreciated in this league. You can't tell me that guys like Datsyuk, Kesler, Toews don't get enough respect from hockey fans. In my mind, it's the shutdown center that gets the least amount of respect. They're the guys on the 3rd line, they often play against the toughest competition and when they're at the top of their game, you don't ever notice them, but you also never notice the players they play against either. From the Canucks, it's players like Pahlsson, Malhotra and Lapierre that deserve an inordinate amount of respect and appreciation for the roles they play.
Yeah, Selke candidates don't get near the same league-wide recognition as Art Ross candidates. But within their own fanbases guys like Kesler, Datsyuk and Toews are definitely well-loved.
He had an endless line of fans willing to give him sloppy blowjobs last year. This year, he just hasn't been as good, and seems to still be recovering from his hip surgery.
brucewaynegretzky
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The Kings might make the playoffs and are widely seen as a "sleeper" team due to their ability to hang in close games as is necessary in the playoffs.
The Lightning are still in Florida. Doing stuff. I'm sure someone is paying attention.
Apparently you weren't here during the last playoffs. Not sure why you choose such a prolific player to make a point about not getting enough credit. He's one of the most noticed two way players in the league.
Couture is under appreciated in a league wide sense. Sharks fans all know how amazing of a two way player he is but he doesn't get near the attention Kesler has in the past. There are obvious reasons for that though.
can't speak for anyone but all i see is this when he smiles in interviews, logan couture, the hockey player? no for me it's logan couture, that guy who looks like a xenomoprh and plays some hockey.
SpectreFire
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CanucksArmy posted a piece about the possible reason why Kesler's production is down this season.
Essentially, it's because of Cody Hodgson. Last season, Malhotra was outstanding on the 3rd line and took much of Kesler's defensive workload and allowed him to open up offensively. With Cody Hodgson's 3rd line taking 13 sheltered minutes every game, Kesler was forced to take on the bulk of the defensive and shutdown workload, neutering his offensive game. Pahlsson was acquired in hopes of unshackling Kesler from his shutdown role and letting him run wild offensively again.
Basically, the Tomas Plekanec disease.
SpectreFire
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Explain Tomas Plekanec to me.
Plekanec is *our* Kesler. Great two way player who's offense has been stiffled this season and last because we have shit centre depth, meaning Pleks is forced to always play the shutdown role versus other teams top lines, in addition to more PK minutes than anyone else. If we had someone else to take on that role, and get got to play a more offensive role (like he did in 07-08 and 09-10), Pleky could be a 70 point per season player consistently.
SpectreFire
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We'd give you Lapierre back, but we like him too much.
Still baffled why he doesn't get more PK time though. The guy was stellar on the kill last playoffs.
His wrist shot has sucked ass this season.
The NHL 36 episode on James Neal, if anyone wants to watch it.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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brucewaynegretzky
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Hockey Analytics Panel
Found this on HFBoards. It's an interesting discussion of hockey stats. About an hour long. Listening now.
Found this on HFBoards. It's an interesting discussion of hockey stats. About an hour long. Listening now.
SpectreFire
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Thought you would've learned better about avatar bets from this.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35263770&postcount=7547
Got nothing against Malkin or the Pens. A Crosby avatar would have actually been annoying.
I don't get what you mean.
Actually thought the Leafs would pull it out. Apparently I forgot how shitty Gustavsson is.
SpectreFire
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Avatar bets get brutal here. Very brutal.
Ah. I've got nothing against this avatar, though. The 2012/9th place one is devastating, though.
But that's actually classy and hilarious. And that's coming from me the interim captain of Leafs-GAF.
The one Soc got is just shitty.
bonesmccoy
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It would hurt more if we were actually close to 9th. We're going to finish 3 points ahead of Montreal, hopefully.
bones, true. It's in the very least creative, though.
That's what I said to him. He pointed out that hockey sticks have knobs, as if that hadn't occurred to me.
SpectreFire
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Sweet. Ginger's starting in net tonight.
Tanev in, Rome out.
Tanev in, Rome out.
Sounds a lot like Dave Bolland the last few years.
FortunateSon
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Bruce, what the fuck man? Do you want to see more fucking Kesler pictures and canucks fan lining up to blow him at every opportunity? As it is, Kesler's dick is probably limp from all that ejaculation.
brucewaynegretzky
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So I'm watching this, and the only thing I can keep thinking about is trying to imagine Holmgren on a panel like this. I just can't picture him giving any sort of useful insight like these guys are. Even when the guys are obviously holding some stuff back they are at least providing some concrete rational. All I can imagine Homer saying is "Obviously we look at statistics and we go with the guys whose statistics, we think, give us the best chance to win" or something along those lines.
Eller should be taking over Pleks defensive duties next year allowing him to be more offensive again, and he shouldn't spend half the season playing with players like fucking Darche and Moen.
Who would have thought out biggest game of the year would be against Edmonton? This is huge anyways, thankfully Budaj is in net.
Erdrick
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brucewaynegretzky
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We probably still will have more 20 goal scorers than a lot of teams....
jagr in tonight, nvm.
and probably, but our third and fourth line is straight AHL kids
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