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NHL, NHLPA to meet Dec. 9 and Dec. 10

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=106699

12/2/2004

The NHL has accepted an invitiation from NHLPA Executive Director Bob Goodenow to attend meetings in Toronto next Thursday and Friday.

"The letter also confirms that the NHLPA is working on a new proposal which it believes should provide the basis for a new collective bargaining agreement and thus end the owners' lockout," the players' association said in a release.

The two sides haven't held formal talks since Sept. 9.

"Almost three months have passed since the players made their last proposal and we have yet to receive a counter-offer from the league," Bob Goodenow, the NHLPA's executive director, said in a statement. "We have been working hard at other creative solutions and believe our new proposal will provide a basis to end the owners' lockout and resume NHL hockey."

The offer comes the same day the league is scheduled to meet with its general managers in New York.

"We look forward to meeting with the NHL Players' Association next Thursday and Friday," said Bill Daly, NHL Executive Vice President and Chief Legal Officer. "We are hopeful that the NHLPA's offer will be a meaningful effort to address the league's economic problems. When we receive the proposal, we will evaluate it closely and respond appropriately."
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Is there any hope?? =\
 
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Some sick part of me is pulling for replacement players in 05/06. I'd love to go see some real NHL action though, now that I'm back in an NHL city... but god do I hope a cap actually happens. I don't know if it'll be a cure-all, but I think it's sadly the best way to be assured teams won't go insane on spending.
 
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SickBoy said:
Some sick part of me is pulling for replacement players in 05/06.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think replacement players next year is not possible, because it's a lock-out, not a strike.
 
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BigJonsson

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Leafs would go undefeated in a half season


If an impasse is declared, the NHL does can ignore the NHLPA and use whatever players it wants
 
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Fifty

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About fucking time. Lock the two sides up in a room until they settle this. Actually, as long as they play next season, I don't care. I'm not really excited about a half season.
 
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Fifty said:
About fucking time. Lock the two sides up in a room until they settle this. Actually, as long as they play next season, I don't care. I'm not really excited about a half season.
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But think about how the Leafs can play in a half season lol

They won't be as tired in the playoffs
 
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Kifimbo said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think replacement players next year is not possible, because it's a lock-out, not a strike.
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Here's how it would work... not exactly clean, but I'm so in for these extreme measures :)

In theory the NHL could declare an impasse, implement its last best contract offer, open for business, hope that some regular players would show up and then fill the remaining roster spots with replacement players. However, the legal process is complicated because the NHL is doing business in two countries with different legal systems.

If the NHL implements its last offer, players could strike or try to decertify, which, if successful, could leave the league open to antitrust violations. Even before then, the NHL Players Association would possibly mount a legal challenge, claiming unfair labor practices.

"I would think it would be a last resort because of the complications," said Canadian sports law attorney Jeff Citron, who worked for the union in the 1994 lockout. "Once you do that, it's really scorched earth. How are you going to go on and run businesses with these people if you go to this extreme?"
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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/2004-10-13-replacement-players_x.htm
 
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So I just heard on the radio from Peter Marr (the Calgary Flames play by play guy) that his sources found out some details on the new NHLPA proposal, the two biggies:

- immediate 10% rollback on player salaries
- 75% tax on every dollar over ~$44 million

As compared to the last proposal:

- immediate 5% rollback on player salaries
- 10 or 15% tax on every dollar over ~$44 million

Also Peter Marr said this deal had some "controls" in place for salary arbitration and player entry salaries.

As I said, I just heard this on the radio so take this with a grain of salt, but Peter Marr's been in the business for decades and his "sources" are usually quite good.
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Hmm..
Certainly a lot better than the last proposal. Could this start up the negotiations?
 
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dem said:
Is there any hope?? =\
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Nope.

And I'm not rooting for a salary cap. Unless teams are able to cut contracts at will (and there's no way players will go for that, and a few players have said that's part of the NHL's proposal), then it's going to make it almost impossible for teams to improve their rosters. That's how it's been in the NBA since the last deal. People need to see the forest from the trees.
 
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