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NHS cuts 'planned across England'
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The SNP have cut the NHS more than the Tories did over the last 5 years.
boneyjangles
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Oh agreed, I think NHS shouldn't be compared to perfection, it's pretty damn good as I said, and I wouldn't want to replace it with private.
But...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt sort by % of GDP or per capita and we are right up there.
http://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/current-account-from-1955.png
.. i'm just saying we could be due a painful re-alignment with reality. Something has to give in the process, maybe not the NHS, but something.
Screaming Meat
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Would I be right in thinking this is another action in the continued attempt to make the NHS less tenable so the Tories can sell off the rest of it to private companies and wash their hands of it?
Of course.
Anyone under 60 who thinks the NHS will be there for them or their kids when they actually need it is clueless and/or delusional. It would be happening with or without Brexit but the situation we have right now gives them the handy excuse of "saving for a better future" to spout towards their old child-hating voter base.
How about 4 Nuclear SSBM's and two absolutely terrible aircraft carriers +(the ordered planes which will just about about half fill one of them?)
LordRaptor
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"friendly fire", "collateral damage" and "enemy non-combatants" top it, but it's not nice.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Remember when the Tories used to bang on about "the mess the previous government have left us"?
Managing to destroy every piece of progress this country has made since 1948 is really quite an achievement I guess?
And yet the general public seem pretty ambivalent/ready to blame it on scapegoats through mental gymnastics.
Everything is so fucked and its heartbreaking.
Managing to destroy every piece of progress this country has made since 1948 is really quite an achievement I guess?
And yet the general public seem pretty ambivalent/ready to blame it on scapegoats through mental gymnastics.
Everything is so fucked and its heartbreaking.
Feels like the Tories are playing the long game to justify binning the NHS and going fully private. "NHS waiting lists are at an all time low, private health care is now 3 times more likely to give you a positive outcome, we cant look at these facts and fail to act. It's time to hand over our health care system to those that can actually provide the health care our nation deserves."
Fucking scum.
Fucking scum.
Dat control.
To be fair we've not actually left the EU yet so that money isn't available yet... (if ever!)
The NHS hasn't been funded right for years now. Like someone else said they better not be under funding it on purpose.. (so they can privatise it)
HazySaiyan
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Tories being Tories, same old Nasty Party.
Makes Labour's current disarray all the more potent, we need an effective opposition more than ever and they can't stop fighting amongst themselves. Expect a bigger Tory majority come 2020, this shit is only going to get worse.
Makes Labour's current disarray all the more potent, we need an effective opposition more than ever and they can't stop fighting amongst themselves. Expect a bigger Tory majority come 2020, this shit is only going to get worse.
Of course that's what they're doing, it's blindingly obvious.
This has been and will continue to happen. What these reshuffles usually mean is that they will close the NHS service and advertise the contract to the company most willing to undercut their competitors resulting in a bs laden system that actually makes patient care worse and more inconvenient. Yet people still vote tory or refuse to believe what is actually happening
Let's be real, the Health Secretary is someone who has advocated the dismantling of the NHS, and has set about doing exactly that.
This isn't some fringe element of the Conservative party, these are frontbench politicians who are looking to pick apart our health service.
People should wake up and recognise the NHS is not safe in the hands of the Tories.
This isn't some fringe element of the Conservative party, these are frontbench politicians who are looking to pick apart our health service.
People should wake up and recognise the NHS is not safe in the hands of the Tories.
1. I want to see the receipts and
2. You damn well know that even if true, it's because of mandatory cuts and not because they wanted to do it. Unlike what we are seeing from the rightwing who are ideologically against a public NHS.
At the risk of sounding like a westminster politician.....hear hear
CyclopsRock
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No he didn't. Jesus christ. He said that it was wrong to claim it, which is why "his" campaign didn't claim it. You'll notice there's no photos of Nige standing next to that bus.
It's Reyn Time!
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'But it's someone else's fault because they didn't stop them!'.
Fuck outta here with this bollocks. Every single thread, I swear. Take some responsibility for the actions of the cretins you voted into power.
Bony Manifesto
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Pretty much. Remember that Theresa May kept Jeremy Hunt as Health Secretary in the most recent reshuffle. Hunt is a gift to her, as he's a cunt and everyone knows he's a cunt, so any blame tends to cling to him rather than rolling further up the food chain.
1. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/report-nhs-scotland-reveals-snp-6678677
The government doesn't mandate where the SNP cuts budgets. The SNP chose to cut healthcare funding and the NHS in Scotland.
2. Like I said earlier, this is probably nothing to do with the government cutting the NHs. As far as I'm aware, the government has continued to increase the NHS budget year on year. this is to do with the increase in budget not meeting the massively increasing NHS expenditure. It's a semantic difference, but an important one.
My own view is that the NHS is massively underfunded on a gigantic scale - when you compare our spend of GDP on healthcare compared to other major western countries, the NHs costs us significantly less than France, Germany, USA etc.
"Well I think the problem is scroungers and layabouts taking up all the beds. My neighbour Margery had to go in for her bunions and she was kept waiting for hours, and when she did get seen the doctor's accent was so thick she could barely understand him. It's all so wasteful, maybe we should let the private sector pick up some of the slack? At least then they wouldn't be going on strike all the time!" /s
What makes the carriers terrible? The fact that each one is more fuel efficient, crew efficient and has a higher sortie rate then all three of the predecessors combined? We will also get enough F-35's to fill 3 carriers although the standard load out of jets will be much lower due to standard peacetime sorties.
And just as an added bonus the UK makes money off every single F-35 sold, the whole programme is actually worth billions in profit to UK industries.
Back on topic, you want someone to blame for the privatisation of the NHS? Blame the opposition who instead of striking while the iron was hot simply decided to embark on a civil war instead. The Tories should have been crucified for recent actions but instead we get a circus of the pathetic and miserable who can't muster half a fart against them.
Farage actually said it was £10 billion
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...unds-live-health-service-u-turn-a7102831.html
Though it was not expressly pledged for the NHS, just "schools, hospitals, and GPs" and services in general.
I would be lying if I said I'd never heard that before, but I work in general practice so it's a regular thing.
Ravensmash
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Labour need to stop fannying about and hold the government to account for this.
Linkstrikesback
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Much as I don't like anything about UKIP or nigel Farage, you can't pin the blame on him for something that actually wasn't his fault. It wasn't his brexit faction that painted that number on a bus (thanks Boris).
edit: And I apparently missed him claiming somethineg equally stupid about the number elsewhere. Everything is right again.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Open palm slap to the ground.
Woah now, don't go so hard at CyclopsRock's mate 'Nige'. He'll start to fucking cry, you monster!
travisbickle
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This is pretty boring and of no consequence. Can we get back to discussing Corbyn's train journey?
FleckSplat
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That's for 2009
Whoa, over 25% spent on orange? That's ridiculous!
CyclopsRock
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Every single thread? What are you on about?
Anyway, as with all spending decisions, it's all easy when you divorce it from context. Hospitals should get more money. Schools should get more money. Infrastructure should get more money. Animal abuse shelters? More money. The Arts Council? More money. Universities? Make them free!
It's easy, isn't it? This governing lark. Why doesn't someone just tell the Tories how bloody easy it would be if only they weren't all evil cretins who just want to see people suffer?
Well yeah, aka "public spending", which isn't actually incorrect. What was incorrect was his assessment that our ability to spend that £10bn wouldn't alter where as in reality it will due to the negative economic results. But I do think saying "Hey, we spend money to be a member of the EU and we'll get that back to spend on stuff" is pretty different to driving round in a big bus that says we'll spend an extra 4 Pogba's a week on the NHS.
"Please blame the opposition four years out from a general election instead of the Government"
thehypocrite
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Patrick Bateman
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Dat control.
British politics are such a clown show..
Same as the rest of Europe and the US..
Savage
PackAPunchedMick
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I blame jobseekers allowance.
According to the press that alone is costing us £396 trillion a month.
According to the press that alone is costing us £396 trillion a month.
You realise that the governments power isn't absolute? The opposition can act against them in debates, questions and votes. It would certainly be difficult thanks to the Tories majority but the opposition do have avenues to work. They can raise issues to the Lords and bring public attention to them and if they were good enough in turn use public protests as a leverage tool.
That is of course if they weren't busy descending on each other and if Corbyn was actually vaguely capable of being a figure head.
PdotMichael
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The UK system is so silly constructed that the opposition couldn't have less power.
What an absurd misdirection.
Royal_Phalanx
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Thank God for Bre- oh wait. I'm sure Leavers will find some way to blame this on the evil EU empire.
PdotMichael
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You can see it in this thread and the Brexit thread already.
NHS cuts = because UK is still in the EU
FTSE bounced back (it didn't but whatever) = who needs the EU?
PackAPunchedMick
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Hold the "self harmers" accountable for their actions.
Alcohol:
Cigarettes:
Drugs:
Any related illness/injury should be exempt from NHS funding. Let them foot the bill.
Then watch the NHS flourish, beds will be empty, A&E wait times will be minutes not hours.
If only the government had the balls. I wish.
Alcohol:
Cigarettes:
Drugs:
Any related illness/injury should be exempt from NHS funding. Let them foot the bill.
Then watch the NHS flourish, beds will be empty, A&E wait times will be minutes not hours.
If only the government had the balls. I wish.
Frozenprince
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AppleBlade
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