Nicki Minaj and Taylor Swift have BAD BLOOD on Twitter

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Courage said:
Bad look from Taylor. It does show complacency on her part, with the way she 'cordially' invites Nicki on stage for when she inevitably 'wins' her awards, but also with the way she deflects the crux of Nicki's argument, by making it about 'pitting women against each other.' At the end of the day, Nicki and Taylor are not on equal footing in the mainstream, and it will always boil down to race, whether Swift agrees with that or not.

With that said, Nicki implying Tidal flopped exclusively due to race is also misguided. I'm sure it's a factor, but the campaign, the rollout and the pricing played bigger roles.
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I dunno if TIDAL flopping had shit all to do with race, it was a badly mishandled business venture from the get go.

Tangential though.

I do love how Taylor is ready on the gun with the "pitting women against women" argument, almost like she's had to deal with this kind of criticism before. As soon as I saw that in her tweet I was like "oh, so that's how it is"
 
I don't know if you've noticed this yet, but Taylor's career thrives on drama. Everything she does is a calculated business move.

Bad Blood itself is a preemptive shot against Katy Perry for like no reason at all.

And the Kanye thing was staged as fuck.


Edit: She constantly plays the martyr or victim. She's our savior from Apple? Spotify?

Now she's found herself to be the victim when Nicki wasn't even talking about her lol.

The VMAs the year after the Kanye thing, she featured clips of the incident in her performance. Milked that shit.

Her songs are about her getting bullied. She has lyrics that are literally "Why you gotta be so mean?" ROFL
 
Courage said:
Bad look from Taylor. It does show complacency on her part, with the way she 'cordially' invites Nicki on stage for when she inevitably 'wins' her awards, but also with the way she deflects the crux of Nicki's argument, by making it about 'pitting women against each other.' At the end of the day, Nicki and Taylor are not on equal footing in the mainstream, and it will always boil down to race, whether Swift agrees with that or not.

With that said, Nicki implying Tidal flopped exclusively due to race is also misguided. I'm sure it's a factor, but the campaign, the rollout and the pricing played bigger roles.
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"@NICKIMINAJ If I win, please come up with me!! You're invited to any stage I'm ever on."
https://twitter.com/taylorswift13/status/623628086614036480

oh
 
Korey said:
I don't know if you've noticed this yet, but Taylor's career thrives on drama. Everything is a calculated business move.

Bad Blood itself is a proactive shot against Katy Perry for like no reason at all.

And the Kanye thing was staged as fuck.
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"When she was the victim, she won every award," West said Swift told him.
 
marrec said:
I dunno if TIDAL flopping had shit all to do with race, it was a badly mishandled business venture from the get go.

Tangential though.

I do love how Taylor is ready on the gun with the "pitting women against women" argument, almost like she's had to deal with this kind of criticism before. As soon as I saw that in her tweet I was like "oh, so that's how it is"
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it's almost like she hasn't heard the word "intersectionality" outside of a driver's ed course or something
 
Korey said:
I don't know if you've noticed this yet, but Taylor's career thrives on drama. Everything she does is a calculated business move.

Bad Blood itself is a preemptive shot against Katy Perry for like no reason at all.

And the Kanye thing was staged as fuck.
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I'm just hoping for the Swift-Harris festival anthem collaboration before the relationship implodes and she has four breakup songs on the radio.
 
I feel like Nicki might have more support if she supported black women more than only when she is personally slighted about not winning a nomination to a music video
 
Opiate said:
The two women who are nominated in the category appear to be Beyonce and Taylor Swift.

Yes, Taylor Swift is not mentioned by name, in the same way I can say "That poster with a purple female MK avatar sure is an idiot," and then act innocent when you call me out on it for being rude.
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I notice a lot of posters making this assumption based on Nicki's tweet, but if you look at the wording carefully, it can apply to all the nominees:

"If your video celebrates women with very slim bodies, you will be nominated for vid of the year"
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Had she said "If you're a woman and your video celebrates..." or "If you're a woman with a very slim body..." then it would be safer to make this asumption. Otherwise based on the wording, Nicki Minaj is only talking about the videos and every single one of the nominated videos have women in them and are focused on their looks/bodies. So out of the nominees the only one we can probably assume she isn't talking about is Beyonce's due to them being featured on multiple songs together.
 
AyaisMUsikWhore said:
That's her being cute and shady at the same time. The read was documented. Rihanna said the same thing to Ciara, just a bit more blunt instead of behind perfectly calculated wording.
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This reminds me of that quote

"You can't beat white people, only knock them out."

If this was anyone in hip hop Nicki would have killed them with the snark.

I want to see rihanna vs taylor next plz.
 
Is it any surprise Taylor Swift is seen in a better light than Nicki?

Taylor's music is typically about love and light hearted fun meant for kids, teens, and adults.
She dresses relatively conservatively and doesn't use sex appeal like other artists. Her songs avoid profanity, too. She's easily likable and deliberately puts on a nice girl image.

Nicki is different. Her music is vastly different. While generally fun and light hearted, her music is also off putting. Her songs often feature sexual themes, drugs, and profanity. And she goes for the bad girl image because she wants to be taken seriously in the rap game. So yeah, rappers who drop verses about talking shit to sound tough are not going to be seen the same as Taylor Swift.

The racial component doesn't help, but it's not the primary motivator. People's perceptions of you are going to form from your music.

I'm a bad bitch, I'm a cunt
And I'll kick that ho, punt
Forced trauma, blunt
You play the back, bitch, I'm in the front
You need a job, this ain't cutting it
Nicki Minaj is who you ain't fucking with
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Yeah no wonder people think you're angry when you're opinionated.
 
People need to look at the tweets in order before they continue with the pile on of Nicki. It seems to me Taylor was out of line and just injected herself into something that wasn't about her. Self absorbed much.

The way a lot of the media portrays it does also highlight the differences Nicki was talking about as well. Though that could be the love affair with Taylor Swift moreso than anything.
 
gosox333 said:
Yeah to jack off

nice qualifications for video of the year right there
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keep trying to reconcile that dichotomy

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The root of the issue is that Nicki wasnt being shady towards Taylor but towards the social system represented by MTV´s choices that diminish the cultural relevance of black women and magnifies the contributions of white people. In her opinion thats why she wasnt nominated.

You may agree or disagree with that notion but Taylor made it all about herself by responding to Nicki.
 
shadowsdarknes said:
Is it any surprise Taylor Swift is seen in a better light than Nicki?

Taylor's music is typically about love and light hearted fun meant for kids, teens, and adults.
She dresses relatively conservatively and doesn't use sex appeal like other artists. Her songs avoid profanity, too. She's easily likable and deliberately puts on a nice girl image.

Nicki is different. Her music is vastly different. While generally fun and light hearted, her music is also off putting. Her songs often feature sexual themes, drugs, and profanity. And she goes for the bad girl image because she wants to be taken seriously in the rap game. So yeah, rappers who drop verses about talking shit to sound tough are not going to be seen the same as Taylor Swift.

The racial component doesn't help, but it's not the primary motivator. People's perceptions of you are going to form from your music.



Yeah no wonder people think you're angry when you're opinionated.
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I'm on TeamNicki but this is very well said. I understand the racial tones and agree w nicki too some extent but the above is much easier to understand than thinking its racial first. Race is just the cherry on the top like "ha told you so" for the racist people out there.
 
D'ultimate said:
People need to look at the tweets in order before they continue with the pile on of Nicki. It seems to me Taylor was out of line and just injected herself into something that wasn't about her. Self absorbed much.

The way a lot of the media portrays it does also highlight the differences Nicki was talking about as well. Though that could be the love affair with Taylor Swift moreso than anything.
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I think it's pretty obvious that tweet was about her.

Her Anaconda song took direct hostility towards skinny women.

Fuck them skinny bitches,
Fuck them skinny bitches in the club
I wanna see all the big fat ass bitches in the motherfucking club
Fuck you if you skinny bitches. What? Yeah. Ha-ha, ha...
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And her tweet before that said:
"If I was a different "kind" of artist, Anaconda would be nominated for best choreo and vid of the year as well"
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So its pretty obvious that her tweet about skinny women being portrayed and earning video of the year was not in reference to the male category or another video category. It's about the video of the year.

And "different artist" means one of a different culture. Considering she goes on to speak about racism and goes as far as to blame racism for Tidal's failure, it's pretty clear that she thinks there's a strong racial component involved in her not winning.

So yeah, I think it's a pretty obvious jab at Taylor Swift. She made an obvious allusion, got called out on it, and now she's trying to play innocent.
You can talk about racism without having to drag down other people. But she couldn't do that. She had to take a dig at Taylor. And when she got called out on it, she side swiped the whole thing and said, "I'm trying to talk about race and you're making this about you!". But no, had Nicki just actually talked about race without making a reference to her skinny body and suggesting that she didn't deserve the nomination, Taylor might have actually been in a position to support Nicki's observations on racism.
 
Melkr_ said:
The root of the issue is that Nicki wasnt being shady towards Taylor but towards the social system represented by MTV´s choices that diminish the cultural relevance of black women and magnifies the contributions of white people. In her opinion thats why she wasnt nominated.

You may agree or disagree with that notion but Taylor made it all about herself by responding to Nicki.
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Taylor is the only white woman nominated for the award and 3 of the 5 nominees are black (and Taylor's song features one of the black nominees as well)

CONSPIRACY
 
Minaj acting like she wasn't talking about Taylor is the bigger offence here. Have some balls to follow through with your tweets.

I guess she aint a bad bitch like Rihnanna.
 
Rembrandt said:
Madonna doesn't matter. The fact is that the media worked hard to fuck Tidal because, to my knowledge, it has higher payouts and has less label involvement than Spotify. People applauded Taylor for taking a stance, but people were coming up with 1001 reasons why Tidal should fail though it's better for artists than Spotify or Pandora.

It's because it's owned by a black man.
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Ultimately though, the issue is it didn't have a free tier. Sabotaged itself.
 
AyaisMUsikWhore said:
Both are bad, but both are popular which is what these awards are based on. The fact that Anaconda more than qualifies for what was done (breaking the internet, causing a twitter uproar and breaking records) to not even be nominated, compare to Taylor's video that literally came out 2 months ago is a joke. MTV just handed Taylor Swift an award she didn't even have to work for. On top of having a cast of super well known supermodels and other celebrity women to make the point of the video being about girl power and being progressive, when it really was about her feud with Katy. I should say that it shocking that you find her to be bitter about something history has proven a 1000x times to be true but I really am not. It's the reason why TVONE has Unsung...maybe you should watch it and learn something about black music.
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By the metrics you list, why was Kendrick's video nominated? Bad Blood understandably was nominated, based on your metrics, but then again should this just be a list of the top 5 most popular videos or the best? I hate that I'm even arguing about such a meaningless award but still...the metrics aren't just "most popular." And it seems to me that if Minaj should be mad about anyone it should be Kendrick, given he has the least popular song and video on the list (viewer and radio wise). Ironically it's also easily the best video on that list.

MTV hasn't handed Swift anything - she hasn't won. Yet.

In terms of Minaj and mainstream pop/white radio....her current has three singles that charted in the top 15 on the Billboard 100; Only went double plat, Truffle Butter is about to got plat - neither happens without some heavy pop play these days, btw. Let's not pretend like she isn't on pop radio alongside Drake and the small handful of other rappers that get pop radio play. The album has been a lot more successful than her previous one, pop wise. It has sold nearly 700,000 copies in less than a year...

Beyonce doesn't have a wide ass?
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Are we going to pretend like Beyonce's last album wasn't incredibly urban focused, and she still did well with pop radio? We gonna pretend like 711 isn't a (shitty) trap record?
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Read through the first few pages of this thread and I'm honestly at a loss. I don't know whose being serious and who is trolling.

Because like, half the posts have to be troll posts or the world doesn't make any sense...
 
This seems like a publicity stunt to get people to care about the VMAs. Numbers have been down in the past years and something like this would get people to consider tuning in
 
PhoenixDark said:
By the metrics you list, why was Kendrick's video nominated? Bad Blood understandably was nominated, based on your metrics, but then again should this just be a list of the top 5 most popular videos or the best? I hate that I'm even arguing about such a meaningless award but still...the metrics aren't just "most popular." And it seems to me that if Minaj should be mad about anyone it should be Kendrick, given he has the least popular song and video on the list (viewer and radio wise). Ironically it's also easily the best video on that list.
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Are we going to act like Kendrick isn't the new running joke on white media apologizing for their fuck up? Let's not. Kendrick at this point feels like the token black guy they have to acknowledge because he's so progressive. Plus Taylor Swift, go figure. Bruno is a whole different beast but he isn't Hip Hop like Kendrick is. At the end of the day, she made a point that having a type of women is also always accepted in media and in award races than anything else. I do agree that Kendrick does have the best "legitimate" video out of the rest but these are all still based on popularity at the end of the day.

MTV hasn't handed Swift anything - she hasn't won. Yet.
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MTV can't wait to hand her that award, that's why for an award show that typically nominates for the year before, her video, not even a year in is already nominated? Why is she nominated now instead of next year?

In terms of Minaj and mainstream pop/white radio....her current has three singles that charted in the top 15 on the Billboard 100; Only went double plat, Truffle Butter is about to got plat - neither happens without some heavy pop play these days, btw. Let's not pretend like she isn't on pop radio alongside Drake and the small handful of other rappers that get pop radio play. The album has been a lot more successful than her previous one, pop wise. It has sold nearly 700,000 copies in less than a year...
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Because it strictly was a good album. But Anaconda was a single off that album that the same way 7/11 was on Beyonce and Bad Blood was for 1989. She sold the records, she got the hype, she broke some records, she even debuted at number 2 on the charts (her highest in her whole career mind you) and no video of the year? It's clear why. MTV isn't rewarding asses after Miley....oh wait, she's hosting. How cute.

Beyonce doesn't have a wide ass?
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Beyonce so called "shows" her ass enough for people not to question its authencity as they do with Nicki to this day. Clearly Nicki's was surgically put there while Beyonce is of natural circumstance, hence, she doesn't have a wide ass compared to nicki. Just good ole regular ass..

Are we going to pretend like Beyonce's last album wasn't incredibly urban focused, and she still did well with pop radio? We gonna pretend like 711 isn't a (shitty) trap record?
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Beyonce did NOT do good on Pop radio but urban where she was spinned only the entire time. Drunk In Love couldn't crack number one and fell after it's seasonal run, XO didn't stand a chance and 7/11 lasted only a couple of weeks on the pop top 20 falling out shortly after, while only still dominating the top 5 in urban radio.

I think you are misunderstand Pop radio, vs Urban ghetto radio. Neither one of them has the success of Taylor Swift in the pop realm. I can argue that Beyonce did have, at one point but she doesn't care about pop radio that much as she clearly made an album that wasn't meant for quick singles to dominate a chart position.

Trey said:
hol up. Beyonce thin by black standards? I'm calling a foul on the play there, Aya.
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Basically, she isn't thick. She is average. She can do both roles without offending anyone. She's marketable. She doesn't have to lose a couple of pound to appeal to a general mass of people. For PR purposes, she is a standard that is achievable without sacrifice.


Edit: I just realized i'm pumping out paragraphs over MTV. This stuff has really affected me as a person.... Wow
 
DOWN said:
So what's the consensus on who Nicki was mostly referring to?
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It can't be Taylor Swift so it has to be Iggy Azalea.

LOOOOL at Meek coming for Drake. Drake is going to wash Meek something fierce. Meek makes solid EPs while Drake makes anthems.
 
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