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Nintendo Announces 2005 Lineup for DS/GC/GBA
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seismologist
Banned
dammit where is Puppy Time
I'm not too concerned about dungeons. Here are some things that I would like Nintendo to take note of:Mashing said:
1.) The overworld. I hope it's huge and seamless (e.g., few breaks for loading times).
2.) Despite this huge overworld, I hope there's a way to get to most locations quickly...but maybe not cheap warps. Maybe have that damn big bird come pick you up but have it where you can control the bird yourself.
3.) In this large overworld, I hope there are things to do in most of the areas -- even just cutting grass if it comes down to that.
4.) No invisible walls! Super Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker had them. None here, please. I remember, for example, hating the fact that I couldn't backflip off the top of Link's "house" in Wind Waker.
In Ocarina of Time, you could backflip off of almost ANYTHING.5.) More weird, unintentional secrets. I think secrets absolutely essential to beating the game should be more obvious, while others should be not obvious whatsoever, similar to burning bushes in the original Zelda for NES.
My theory is that the GBA one is a much lower priority than the DS one, and they don't want to cannibalize sales by releasing them too close to one another.
...and they don't want to release more than Mario 64 DS this year, presumably to encourage people to buy 3rd party software.
Why they couldn't release Warioware 2 GBA now is trickier... probably because it's tough to sell people on a new way to play (i.e. the DS) when you release an innovative GBA game like that.
snapty00 said:I'm not too concerned about dungeons. Here are some things that I would like Nintendo to take note of:
1.) The overworld. I hope it's huge and seamless (e.g., few breaks for loading times).
2.) Despite this huge overworld, I hope there's a way to get to most locations quickly...but maybe not cheap warps. Maybe have that damn big bird come pick you up but have it where you can control the bird yourself.
3.) In this large overworld, I hope there are things to do in most of the areas -- even just cutting grass if it comes down to that.
4.) No invisible walls! Super Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker had them. None here, please. I remember, for example, hating the fact that I couldn't backflip off the top of Link's "house" in Wind Waker.
5.) More weird, unintentional secrets. I think secrets absolutely essential to beating the game should be more obvious, while others should be not obvious whatsoever, similar to burning bushes in the original Zelda for NES.
1. No worries with load times. I don't think EAD is even aware of the term.
2. Epona... Hopefully a duck too.
3. Cutting grass makes or breaks Zelda titles. I'm sure there will be a lot to explore and a lot of WWesque grass to cut.
4. I don't recall any invisible walls in the Wind Waker. Can't backflip off of his house? I don't buy it.
5. Absolutely. More exploration would be a wonderful things.
I will add to your one valid complaint...
-A lot of items and the ability to use them all on just about anything like in Wind Waker. Also, make all of the items a neccesity at one point or another through the game.
It lists AC DS as "still in development", so that means you can expect it in the summer at the earliest.
The good news is that w/ Metriod DS's Q2 release, that might give Nintendo time to get their act together and have WiFi support live by then... None of the potential multiplayer games up to that point will be out (e.g. Mario Kart, Animal Crossing).
SantaC
Member
snapty00 said:I'm not too concerned about dungeons. Here are some things that I would like Nintendo to take note of:
1.) The overworld. I hope it's huge and seamless (e.g., few breaks for loading times).
2.) Despite this huge overworld, I hope there's a way to get to most locations quickly...but maybe not cheap warps. Maybe have that damn big bird come pick you up but have it where you can control the bird yourself.
3.) In this large overworld, I hope there are things to do in most of the areas -- even just cutting grass if it comes down to that.
4.) No invisible walls! Super Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker had them. None here, please. I remember, for example, hating the fact that I couldn't backflip off the top of Link's "house" in Wind Waker.
5.) More weird, unintentional secrets. I think secrets absolutely essential to beating the game should be more obvious, while others should be not obvious whatsoever, similar to burning bushes in the original Zelda for NES.
1) Agree
2) well could work, but there need to be special points where you can go. It's not possible to go just everywhere in the begining of the game. New abilities make you unlock new areas. Plus the Horse is back.
3) cutting grass doesn't really intrest me, but yeah. I want stuff to do.
4) Agree
5) Agree
captmcblack
Member
Q2 Zelda = Revolution.
Or at least, I really hope so. There's more than enough Zelda this gen to go around...
Or at least, I really hope so. There's more than enough Zelda this gen to go around...
It's not really load times itself. It's the breaking of the world. Even Ocarina of Time on a cartridge had that a lot...it'd be nice if it were more seamless.
Try it. It doesn't work. That was just an example, anyway. There are a bunch of little invisible walls like that which annoy me.
Here are a couple more things:
Try to find a way to keep me out of the menu screens...or at least make them optional. There are times when I wish I could switch items while running...you know, those times when you're not in the heat of battle or anything. You simply want to change your item to something else without messing with the menus.
The "Sidle" move was a good step in the right direction. Some other context-sensitive moves would be cool.
Don't assume I can't get to a place! I can't think of the places right off the top of my head, but I remember the collision detection being clunky in a few areas because -- I assume -- Nintendo thought that I couldn't (or just wouldn't) reach those areas. I remember in some parts of the game where Link's waist, legs, and feet would sink into an area...like on top of a building or on a mountain/rock.
seismologist
Banned
come to think of it, most of the DS games I want arent even listed
Puppy Time
One Line Puzzle
Meteos
Jame w the Band
Puppy Time
One Line Puzzle
Meteos
Jame w the Band
soundwave05
Member
I think that's a formatting error. I really doubt we'll see Zelda before November of this year, unless they're planning something crazy like a fall 2005 Revolution launch (doubtful).
captmcblack
Member
olimario said:
NEIN
I love the fact that you could use your items on just about everything; that was great. However, I want them to streamline item use. Instead of say, having the boat's sail as an item, make it a context-sensitive action as part of the boat. Instead of having a grappling hook and a Hookshot, maybe you can have the grappling hook be upgraded to the hookshot.
Less extraneous items - but more uses, and more useful items. Of course, that would probably require more dungeon-y things too...
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
First of all, no one rushes a game to release in Q2. If it releases then, it's done. It's not like they're in some rush for some big buying period at that time of year.
Secondly, unless everyone at Nintendo has completely abandoned the GC in favour of the DS and Revolution, they have some games in development we don't know about. They have to, because if they don't, there's pretty much just Advance Wars (not even Nintendo developed) left until whenever the Revolution turns up, at least a year after these games. So we don't know what they could get out there for Xmas 2005 yet. Nothing's going to be as big as Zelda (unless Mario 128's still coming to the GC, which I highly doubt), but there can still be big games around that time. Which leaves Zelda free to release early.
Finally, don't expect fishing like we had in OoT ever again in Zelda. The reason it was so good was that Nintendo were developing a seperate fishing game which got canned, but rather than let it go to waste they just built it into Zelda. Doesn't sound like the sort of thing likely to happen again.
Secondly, unless everyone at Nintendo has completely abandoned the GC in favour of the DS and Revolution, they have some games in development we don't know about. They have to, because if they don't, there's pretty much just Advance Wars (not even Nintendo developed) left until whenever the Revolution turns up, at least a year after these games. So we don't know what they could get out there for Xmas 2005 yet. Nothing's going to be as big as Zelda (unless Mario 128's still coming to the GC, which I highly doubt), but there can still be big games around that time. Which leaves Zelda free to release early.
Finally, don't expect fishing like we had in OoT ever again in Zelda. The reason it was so good was that Nintendo were developing a seperate fishing game which got canned, but rather than let it go to waste they just built it into Zelda. Doesn't sound like the sort of thing likely to happen again.
Compared to Ocarina of Time, yes it is rushed. A game doesn't have to be "done" at some arbitrary date. They could continually refine the game to late 2005, adding things, nixing shitty things, and making existing things work better. I'm not confident that the game will really have the best (but reasonable) polish if it's released mid next year.Mama Smurf said:
Kobun Heat
Member
Exactly. Somebody forgot to hit Enter. Come on guys. Way to read way too much into this.soundwave05 said:
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
You can't seriously be comparing OoT's and the next Zelda's release date, right? 'cos that would be stupid on...multiple levels. Firstly, that was the first 3D Zelda, a massive undertaking in itself just to see how the series would play in 3D. Secondly, they'd only just started making 3D games at all, so they were vastly inexperienced in that area. Thirdly, it was on the N64, a system infamous for it's development difficulties.
Compare this to the new Zelda. This is fourth 3D Zelda, so they know so much more about what they're doing from the get go. This is the second game on the system, not the first, so they already have an engine in place to work off (I assume you know it's a modified WW engine, no matter how different it looks on the surface). They also have experience from other 3D games of course. And then there's the fact that it's being made on the GC, a system known for it's ease of development.
It's not that quick anyway. You'll find a hell of a lot of people who consider MM the best of the 3D Zeldas, and that was developed in 18 months following OoT's release. If this new game comes out in June, a reasonable guess given the Q2 news, it will be 30 months after WW, a full years extra development over MM on an easier system to develop for.
But all that's beside the point. If it comes out in June, they've polished it. There can be no reason to rush for Q2. No one to counteract (unless Xenon sneaks out that early, yeah right), no big sales period...it'll be polished. Otherwise, you might as well give it another few months, and August or September launch seems to be just as good, if not better, than June, sales wise. You could say they might as well go on polishing it until November, but why not let them get it out there if they're satisfied with it and they can start on the Revolution Zelda. That's right, getting this one out of the door when it's done and not needlessly holding onto it will allow the next Zelda more development time. All works out in the end.
Compare this to the new Zelda. This is fourth 3D Zelda, so they know so much more about what they're doing from the get go. This is the second game on the system, not the first, so they already have an engine in place to work off (I assume you know it's a modified WW engine, no matter how different it looks on the surface). They also have experience from other 3D games of course. And then there's the fact that it's being made on the GC, a system known for it's ease of development.
It's not that quick anyway. You'll find a hell of a lot of people who consider MM the best of the 3D Zeldas, and that was developed in 18 months following OoT's release. If this new game comes out in June, a reasonable guess given the Q2 news, it will be 30 months after WW, a full years extra development over MM on an easier system to develop for.
But all that's beside the point. If it comes out in June, they've polished it. There can be no reason to rush for Q2. No one to counteract (unless Xenon sneaks out that early, yeah right), no big sales period...it'll be polished. Otherwise, you might as well give it another few months, and August or September launch seems to be just as good, if not better, than June, sales wise. You could say they might as well go on polishing it until November, but why not let them get it out there if they're satisfied with it and they can start on the Revolution Zelda. That's right, getting this one out of the door when it's done and not needlessly holding onto it will allow the next Zelda more development time. All works out in the end.
Craig Majaski
Member
While I'm not a firm believer of the 2nd quarter release date of Zelda either, it must be noted that it's NOT a mistake. It's listed in 2 separate sections of NOA's press site as a Quarter 2 release date now. This is changed from what was there just 2 days ago. It's listed in their press release, and on the individual Zelda game page as a Q2 release (it used to say "TBD").
TheGreenGiant
Banned
GhaleonEB said:
why are you back in the thread? You want to get a cumshot in the eye? Ugghh ..unnnghhh.. AHHHhh.. too late. Sorry buddy. :stops masturbation:
Kobun Heat
Member
Whoa, you're right. There it is on the front page. Q2 2005.Craig Majaski said:
captainbiotch
Banned
Star Fox, Wario Wares, Fire Emblems, Donkey Kongs, and Zeldas should all be awesome.
Now we need some new game announcements.
Now we need some new game announcements.
Kobun Heat said:
I double-checked, and the original press release does read:
furthermore, Craig Majaski is right on the Q2 2005 notice on the individual game page and the main game listing. All three (the press release included) read Launch Date: Q2 2005
by the way, the full title of the Winnie the Pooh game is Winnie the Pooh: Rumbly Tumbly Adventure
deadhorse32
Bad Art
The proof
- New Zelda (using WW engine) will definatly not come out Q2 2005, that is when its gunna be revealed and Miyamoto will be letting the [gaming] public play it and be taking feedback. This new Zelda will be released Christmas 2005 at the earliest.
-I think 'Sidle' was a crap move, it was tedious and took too long to get to the desired position.
-Big Overworld expected, Half Land, Half Sea - making use of WW sailing engine.
-Hookshot & Grapple Hook need to be different items, Grapple Hooks for swinging, Hookshots for pulling.
-Expect every item from WW to be in new Zelda, they've already been programmed, why not use them again¿
-Fishing is a must, I expect the new Zelda to be like a merger of OOT and WW (engine wise)
-I won't be happy with less than 8 dungeons.
-More enemies, mini-bosses and bosses.
-SB
-I think 'Sidle' was a crap move, it was tedious and took too long to get to the desired position.
-Big Overworld expected, Half Land, Half Sea - making use of WW sailing engine.
-Hookshot & Grapple Hook need to be different items, Grapple Hooks for swinging, Hookshots for pulling.
-Expect every item from WW to be in new Zelda, they've already been programmed, why not use them again¿
-Fishing is a must, I expect the new Zelda to be like a merger of OOT and WW (engine wise)
-I won't be happy with less than 8 dungeons.
-More enemies, mini-bosses and bosses.
-SB
Oh! My Car!
Member
Fire Emblem 2 get! Tank you NOA
Tritroid
Member
If Nintendo is actually telling the truth about Zelda 05 coming out for Gamecube, then it's a wise move.
Some would say that delaying Zelda 05 to Revolution and then having it there as a launch title would be the smarter move, but that's not usually how Zelda's selling power is used.
Often times Zelda comes towards the middle of a console's lifespan (Other than the original) because the franchise has the ability to boost console sales numbers significantly for a time if it's in a slump. If Zelda 05 is still released towards the end of Gamecube's lifespan, it could send the little console out with quite a bang, and I think that's exactly what Nintendo wants to accomplish by doing this.
Plus I can't see them scrapping the Wind Waker engine without getting at least two good games out of it.
Some would say that delaying Zelda 05 to Revolution and then having it there as a launch title would be the smarter move, but that's not usually how Zelda's selling power is used.
Often times Zelda comes towards the middle of a console's lifespan (Other than the original) because the franchise has the ability to boost console sales numbers significantly for a time if it's in a slump. If Zelda 05 is still released towards the end of Gamecube's lifespan, it could send the little console out with quite a bang, and I think that's exactly what Nintendo wants to accomplish by doing this.
Plus I can't see them scrapping the Wind Waker engine without getting at least two good games out of it.