Nintendo confirms - No VRR for Switch 2 in TV mode

Games in docked mode
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tr1p1ex said:
I my LG OLED does and I couldn't care less.
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I'm buying Switch 2 not for "graphical power" I'm buying the system because it has games I want to play...thats it.

Thats my entire reason to buy any system.....the reason I didn't buy PS5pro because it never going to have its own game and I'm happy with my regular PS5.
 
ShadowkillXNA said:
Was someone asking you to cancel your pre-orders?
Besides the voices coming from your anus I mean?
Because otherwise, what the fuck are you even talking about? And to who?
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I mean I cancelled mine earlier today. I until I see something I really want later I will pick one up then. At time maybe the vrr will be sorted or another version will be around the corner. I think it's a cool device. But it's primarily going to be a Nintendo game device for me on a tv at the end of the day. I don't blame anyone jumping in now and selling it later etc. I just find myself with the majority of my playing time on a tv screen. Portable modes for my switches, Steamdecks, and ps portal don't get the screen time they deserve as is.
 
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Mr Hyde said:
VRR is a game changer for me, especially in this day and age when everything is unoptimized slop. I'll just wait for a revision on Switch 2 where Nintendo patch it in along with better battery and more storage. And maybe OLED.
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And what if there won't be a revision with HDR?
 
Gamer79 said:
This is the Copium the Switch 2 fans are starting to taste. As details continue on it gets worse and worse.
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I wonder why you think the console is looking "worse" every day, if it's actually way better than many expected and it's only been confirmed over and over lol
 
onnextflix5 said:
It should be doable even without hdmi 2.1, Nintendo just needs to do some hacks on hdmi dock Firmware .
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Needs a hardware revision on the console, so won't happen unless and until they do that. And we know they won't, until the OLED comes out, and they probably won't even do it then.

Nintendolife, who were until today claiming it would be included, are now saying it's fine without it because blah blah blah. Honestly, Nintendo stans are as bad as Apple. In fact, worse, because at least Apple has the hardware chops.
 
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DonkeyPunchJr said:
Ahhhh those are the reactions I was looking for. Nice job guys, another successful Nintendo defense! 🫡
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DonkeyPunchJr said:
"The normies don't care, they just wanna turn their Nintendo system on and have fun, only nerds like you actually care about this stuff!"

This is the Nintendo fanboy's last line of defense literally every time there's a discussion about something Nintendo lacks. Come on man, don't be that guy. Just stay out of technical discussions if you're going to say stuff like that.
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This is rather stupid, since you lumped my personal account in (where I mentioned that I'm one of the masses who roll their eyes at massive tacky TVs in living rooms or obsession over 4k features etc) I'l respond.

Consumers that are maxxing out their TV setup for ultra cinematic gaming experiences aren't buying Nintendo for that to begin with. At all. They never were. For that, you buy a PS5 or if you're American/British maybe an XBOX.

Quite literally the "I need a console to show off my 4k TV with high framerate" crowd has zero intersection with Nintendo Switch (*as primary TV console) purchasers, with or without VRR included. People like that are only likely to buy Switch as a secondary device for nintendo franchises, and will never choose to buy any big multiplat games on it in a million years either, they'll get those on their higher-end console instead.

Nintendo is a family/toy company that uses games in those contexts, they are not a general media/movies company like Sony; they sharpened that distinction back with the Wii and have been consistent. If you're complaining about VRR, you weren't going to buy it anyway, so who cares.

blastprocessor said:
Pre-order not made now cancelled.
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double negation, so sadly I'm afraid you have to actually preorder it now, that's how it works
 
I hope they figure out a way to implement it eventually. I've used my Switch in handheld mode a total of three times since launch.
 
As a PC gamer, Im suprised to see so many Nintendo graphic/refresh rate whores here! Ive never heard anyone complain that the switch 1 does not have this.
 
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Luipadre said:
They probably patch it in later right? I mean if the system already supports it in handheld then why it cant be in docked aswell?
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Because the HDMI output has to support it as well. Or maybe because even it if supports it Nintendo doesn't give a shit because... it's Nintendo, and who knows? 🤷🏽
 
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ResurrectedContrarian said:
This is rather stupid, since you lumped my personal account in (where I mentioned that I'm one of the masses who roll their eyes at massive tacky TVs in living rooms or obsession over 4k features etc) I'l respond.

Consumers that are maxxing out their TV setup for ultra cinematic gaming experiences aren't buying Nintendo for that to begin with. At all. They never were. For that, you buy a PS5 or if you're American/British maybe an XBOX.

Quite literally the "I need a console to show off my 4k TV with high framerate" crowd has zero intersection with Nintendo Switch (*as primary TV console) purchasers, with or without VRR included. People like that are only likely to buy Switch as a secondary device for nintendo franchises, and will never choose to buy any big multiplat games on it in a million years either, they'll get those on their higher-end console instead.

Nintendo is a family/toy company that uses games in those contexts, they are not a general media/movies company like Sony; they sharpened that distinction back with the Wii and have been consistent. If you're complaining about VRR, you weren't going to buy it anyway, so who cares.



double negation, so sadly I'm afraid you have to actually preorder it now, that's how it works
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VRR arguably benefits lower spec hardware just as much or more than high end so this is a dumb argument. It's a nice thing to have regardless whether it's your "secondary system" or whatever.

And I guess Nintendo must be dumb too, because they included a 120Hz screen with VRR + HDR and called it out during their reveal. Maybe you should write to Nintendo and tell them they wasted their money because their audience is a bunch of children and tech illiterate normies who can't wrap their heads around that stuff.

Also the whole premise of "people are going to buy it anyway so you're wrong for complaining about it" is self-evidently dumb.


But hey, thanks for being one of the few people willing to make all these retarded arguments to white-knight for their favorite corporation. This thread would've been pretty boring without it.
 
Sebastian1295 said:
Nintendo are the biggest joke in the industry. We're in the year 2025 where VRR has been the standard for YEARSSSSS and they're launching a new console without VRR in docked mode. Holy shit what an embarrassment and i don't wanna see one person defending clown crap like this.


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Because the HDMI input in switch 2 is only HDMI 2.0
 
DonkeyPunchJr said:
VRR arguably benefits lower spec hardware just as much or more than high end so this is a dumb argument. It's a nice thing to have regardless whether it's your "secondary system" or whatever.

And I guess Nintendo must be dumb too, because they included a 120Hz screen with VRR + HDR and called it out during their reveal. Maybe you should write to Nintendo and tell them they wasted their money because their audience is a bunch of children and tech illiterate normies who can't wrap their heads around that stuff.

Also the whole premise of "people are going to buy it anyway so you're wrong for complaining about it" is self-evidently dumb.


But hey, thanks for being one of the few people willing to make all these retarded arguments to white-knight for their favorite corporation. This thread would've been pretty boring without it.
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The screen is off the shelf. Probably had little choice but to take screen with VRR.

And VRR obviously is not very important.

EVery console launch the whiners come out of the woodwork and cry about what is not there. And there is always something that isn't there. Something more that could have been done.
 
DonkeyPunchJr said:
VRR arguably benefits lower spec hardware just as much or more than high end so this is a dumb argument. It's a nice thing to have regardless whether it's your "secondary system" or whatever.

And I guess Nintendo must be dumb too, because they included a 120Hz screen with VRR + HDR and called it out during their reveal. Maybe you should write to Nintendo and tell them they wasted their money because their audience is a bunch of children and tech illiterate normies who can't wrap their heads around that stuff.

Also the whole premise of "people are going to buy it anyway so you're wrong for complaining about it" is self-evidently dumb.


But hey, thanks for being one of the few people willing to make all these retarded arguments to white-knight for their favorite corporation. This thread would've been pretty boring without it.
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Again, this is a peculiar obsession on your part, that somehow you demand others must be angry about this.

Nintendo always shows off a few "look, we've bumped our tech a little" features at launch. They did that with the Wii U, and it's an obligatory step to show that they have advanced their tech a bit (Wii U announced it had HD output... in late 2012 lol, Wii never did), but those never even come close to matching the "current market" of other consoles. They haven't in decades. It's a crazy position to expect them to even be close to the other consoles at covering the bases of high-end tech; anyone who has been alive for a few years knows that they'll add a couple new features (that will be on average about 5 years old tech) and then completely ignore others.

It's so consistent that the peculiar thing is to expect otherwise. It's just not what people buy them for. I believe you that you need that feature in your case in order to make a purchase -- but I do not believe that this kind of consumer has even represented anything outside a statistical margin of error on their balance sheet.

It's okay, good even, for gaming companies to take different niches, even regarding the things like 4k/framerate/etc high end tv integration. But to pretend -- as you have been -- that people who actually do want their niche of products are some kind of defense force or in denial, is simply absurd fanaticism. Their market is not you, and their base doesn't think like you--at all.
 
It's amazing how many threads have been created for Switch 2 being more powerful than everyone expected and it has been mostly the same excited ones there posting and doing comparisons and whatever, then a single negative Switch 2 and it reaches 6 pages of posts from users I've never seen in any of those other positive threads (except some going there to say the typical "it's less powerful than Xbox One because it's Nintendo").

And no, VRR isn't some magic bullet for performance, it would only help above 48 fps anyway so 30 and 40 fps modes won't be affected at all by the presence or absence of it. The 60 fps and above modes probably if the frame rate is not stable tho.

The only games would probably be severely affected by this are the ones with very inconsistent AND unlocked frame rate, which is why is why G-sync and Freesync are so big on PC gaming since a game can easily run at 90+ fps and then go down to 60 or 70 fps out of nowhere since it's not capped at 60 like consoles do.

What would people expect then to fix 30/40 fps modes? That the console gets G-sync and Freesync instead, since it's VRR the problem because HDMI has always been shit, and that's something I don't discard until I actually confirm it (glad I'll get the console day 1), for G-sync the minimum is 1 fps IIRC and for Freesync Premium it's 20 fps, so even if the console has VRR I hope it can use Freesync Premium for those capable screens because it's just much MUCH better.
 
Danjin44 said:
I'm buying Switch 2 not for "graphical power" I'm buying the system because it has games I want to play...thats it.

Thats my entire reason to buy any system.....the reason I didn't buy PS5pro because it never going to have its own game and I'm happy with my regular PS5.
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I think that's what the vast majority of potential Switch customers are doing also.
 
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DonkeyPunchJr said:
Ahhhh those are the reactions I was looking for. Nice job guys, another successful Nintendo defense! 🫡
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Not a defense. VRR raise blacks and limits misc things on most TVs because the pixels cannot be off they always need to be in a state of "ready to go "
 
Sebastian1295 said:
PS5 VRR affects all of there games my man. It can be toggled for games that don't even have it implemented into the game itself.
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It only kicks in at 48 FPS though, when realistically the demanding 3rd party Switch 2 games are going to be running at 30 or 40 FPS. Nintendo games will run at 60, but should be much better optimised, as they are built from the ground up for the hardware.

I believe to use VRR below 48 FPS you need LFC support. In which case it's really the lack of LFC that is the big deal.
 
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tr1p1ex said:
so everything people don't care about enough to not buy nor to not enjoy nor to not recommend is pro-consumer?
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What? Pro consumer is putting in the extra effort for no extra cost to the consumer if you ask me.

The product itself being good isnt 'pro consumer' its just a good product
 
MMaRsu said:
What? Pro consumer is putting in the extra effort for no extra cost to the consumer if you ask me.

The product itself being good isnt 'pro consumer' its just a good product
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so a good product isn't pro-consumer? Today years old...

Pro consumer is only free stuff after you buy the good product or what?

LIke OS updates? Game patches?

Trying to relate this to VRR too. IF VRR was included to begin with then would it be considered pro consumer even though it would just be part of the price you paid for the good product?

What if the price of the good product internally included a budget for OS updates? Would the updates still be pro-consumer?


Also a shitty product is just a shitty product? Not anti-consumer given a good product is not pro consumer? But it is pro consumer to update a shitty product over let's say 2 years in hopes of improving it. Whereas not pro consumer to release a good product to begin with?
 
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ResurrectedContrarian said:
Again, this is a peculiar obsession on your part, that somehow you demand others must be angry about this.

Nintendo always shows off a few "look, we've bumped our tech a little" features at launch. They did that with the Wii U, and it's an obligatory step to show that they have advanced their tech a bit (Wii U announced it had HD output... in late 2012 lol, Wii never did), but those never even come close to matching the "current market" of other consoles. They haven't in decades. It's a crazy position to expect them to even be close to the other consoles at covering the bases of high-end tech; anyone who has been alive for a few years knows that they'll add a couple new features (that will be on average about 5 years old tech) and then completely ignore others.

It's so consistent that the peculiar thing is to expect otherwise. It's just not what people buy them for. I believe you that you need that feature in your case in order to make a purchase -- but I do not believe that this kind of consumer has even represented anything outside a statistical margin of error on their balance sheet.

It's okay, good even, for gaming companies to take different niches, even regarding the things like 4k/framerate/etc high end tv integration. But to pretend -- as you have been -- that people who actually do want their niche of products are some kind of defense force or in denial, is simply absurd fanaticism. Their market is not you, and their base doesn't think like you--at all.
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Yes, we are so so dumb for expecting Switch 2 to support VRR just because Nintendo said Switch 2 would support VRR (and does support it in handheld mode). What a crazy thing for anybody to have expected, thanks for letting us know our expectations were wrong.

Also love the ridiculous dichotomy like either you want VRR or you want Nintendo's niche of products. As if there's not a whole area in between, consisting of gamers who love Nintendo and will buy a Switch 2 sooner or later, but still voice their opinions both positive and negative regarding Nintendo's choices instead of saying "well I guess it won't hurt their sales much, so I'm going to keep my mouth shut and tell everyone else to do the same"
 
Someone should go back to 2020/21 and see if the same flamers today where complaining and hating when PS5 came out and didn't have VRR. Would probably be an interesting read.
 
DonkeyPunchJr said:
instead of saying "well I guess it won't hurt their sales much, so I'm going to keep my mouth shut and tell everyone else to do the same"
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Haven't been doing that at all -- my first post was literally just "wow I'm very different compared to this thread's tone, I don't care about this kind of feature" (or to quote the first sentence: "This kind of topic always puts me in the minority on GAF....").

In contrast, what I see you doing is to tell all the people who don't care about this feature "you're just blindly defending a corporation" etc.

It reminds me of those editorials that claim certain voter groups are "voting against their own interests" as if they are duped. Nintendo buyers (or Apple for that matter, which also gets irrational ire here) are not voting against their own interests--they aren't duped. They're actually getting what they want for the most part ("exactly what they voted for" in the political terms), as bizarre as it may seem to you.
 
Tomorrow's headline: Nintendo says Switch 2 only actually outputs 1080p docked and apologizes for any confusion.

Nintendo defense force: "OMG I can't believe anybody actually expected Switch 2 to support 4K. If you guys just want to show off your big dick 4K home theater you aren't Nintendo's niche anyway and you never would've bought it to begin with. Nintendo is for kids and families and they don't understand that stuff. It's not going to harm their sales much, so you should shut up and not complain"


Next week's headline: Nintendo says docked VRR support will be coming in a future software update

Nintendo defense force: "VRR is the future of gaming, thank you Nintendo for blessing us with this gift"
 
So Nintendo gets its hands on the best VRR tech in G-Sync, and they remove it from the high-performance and fidelity power mode....those stutters and inconsistencies are much more noticeable on the big screen, and they are marketing this as a hybrid. They did so much right but still end up fucking up in the strangest ways. A proficient tech consultant like Cerny would be a godsend for them.
 
MMaRsu said:
What? Pro consumer is putting in the extra effort for no extra cost to the consumer if you ask me.

The product itself being good isnt 'pro consumer' its just a good product
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So like the dozen Free upgrades their releasing day one with the console
 
What does it actually mean if let's say you have a 240hz oled. Am I really looking at potentially more flickering or screen tearing? Or is this kind of a non issue?
 
Mister Wolf said:
Steam Deck does not have VRR support.
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This is why I think this is a semantics thing, it's using Freesync so probably Switch 2 will use any of those non-HDMI Forum standards while they resolve the issues with VRR, they just can't promise it would work in people's TVs and are too reluctant to "overcomplicate" communication and opt to leave it out of their messaging instead
 
delirium trigger said:
What does it actually mean if let's say you have a 240hz oled. Am I really looking at potentially more flickering or screen tearing? Or is this kind of a non issue?
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They'll use vsync as they've always done, so maybe this is a non issue anyway because that SF6 Pro player was claiming Switch 2 version has even less latency than PS5 version, so it's vsync and it's still unnoticeable in terms of latency or it's using Gsync/Freesync in a compatible TV in the event
 
Kataploom said:
This is why I think this is a semantics thing, it's using Freesync so probably Switch 2 will use any of those non-HDMI Forum standards while they resolve the issues with VRR, they just can't promise it would work in people's TVs and are too reluctant to "overcomplicate" communication and opt to leave it out of their messaging instead
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When I say the Steam Deck does not have VRR, I mean all forms. No Freesync, no Gsync, or generic HDMI VRR.
 
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delirium trigger said:
What does it actually mean if let's say you have a 240hz oled. Am I really looking at potentially more flickering or screen tearing? Or is this kind of a non issue?
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Without VRR you can have screen tearing. Or the game can eliminate tearing by using Vsync, but that can cause more input lag and micro stutter + comes with some performance penalty.

I wouldn't call it a huge dealbreaker but it's a bummer that a new game console doesn't have it in 2025.
 
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