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Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to devs at Gamescom | Sources Claim it runs Matrix UE5 Demo With Comparable Graphics to PS5/XSX

E-Cat

Member
The Matrix demo has been revealed to have become a full game, and the first Switch 2 exclusive.

Due to the power of the Switch 2, it looks twice as good as it did in that original concept demo and runs at 60fps visual mode and 120fps performance mode in 4K.

Given this level of power it is simply incredible that the Switch 2 will only cost $250 and will also suck your dick.
I'm thinking best-case scenario "somewhat comparable", i.e., lower-powered console but can't immediately see difference on 1080p unless you squint.
 

BennyBlanco

aka IMurRIVAL69
I really doubt Switch 2 will achieve visuals that are in the same general neighborhood as PS5/XSX and still somehow have decent battery life at a market friendly price, but if so this will be the fastest and highest selling console of all time in every region.

It will probably be that no matter what. Likely Mario Kart 9 and new 3D mario as launch window games. This will be the hypest console launch ever.
 

BlackTron

Member
Like I said before... the meltdowns that will occur if Switch 2 even touches graphical levels of PS5 and Series X will be goddamn glorious. AMD... lol

I do think stars can align in Nintendo's favor with Nvidia, new tech, leapfrogging the consoles by years, and dressing up the presentation to appear close to consoles even without the same raw TFs (more than a dash of secret sauce, add a spoon this time)
 

Montauk

Member
Guys, let’s start the review predictions now.

I’m going for 10/10 for the Switch 2 hardware (maybe 11/10) and 10/10 for the Mario launch game (title TBD).
 
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Sethbacca

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I really doubt Switch 2 will achieve visuals that are in the same general neighborhood as PS5/XSX and still somehow have decent battery life at a market friendly price, but if so this will be the fastest and highest selling console of all time in every region.
I don't think anybody will expect XSX or PS5 level graphics, but honestly if it's DLSS 3.5 like they're saying, Nintendo will probably be able to work some pretty fantastic magic even with less power.
 
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Thick Thighs Save Lives

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I've requested a thread title change to better reflect the info that has just come to light via VGC (e.g. "The Matrix UE5 Demo running with Comparable Graphics to PS5/XSX").
I've also edited the mention of DLSS 3.5 since VGC walked that claim back in their article so now it should read as DLSS instead of DLSS 3.5.

Still...

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Tangerine

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Not a promise, is it? It’s an unconfirmed claim from a third party.

I never said it was a promise.

Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages
promises, promises

phrase of promise
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used to indicate that the speaker is sceptical about someone's stated intention to do something.
 
While I believe that Tears of the Kingdom was showcased on the Switch 2, especially as the pre-release trailers showed a much crisper image quality (as noted by Digital Foundry) than the final game, I find it hard to believe that the Matrix UE5 demo was running on Switch 2 with ray-tracing, unless it was using the DLSS3 Ultra Performance mode or upscaled 160p or something and running at 20 fps!

Let's keep our expectations in check here to avoid disappointment. Nintendo don't do powerful hardware anymore and since the GameCube, their consoles have basically been incremental upgrades over the previous generations rather than the larger ones you see from Sony and Microsoft. Yet the Switch and its games continue to sell well so Nintendo will not care about having hardware to rival Sony or Microsoft. They haven't cared for this long and had huge successes with the Wii and Switch so why would they start now? They really don't need to as their games cater for a completely different audience to Sony and Microsoft.

My hope is that the Switch 2 will ship with a dock that enhances the games for TV use, whether its an upscaling chip like DLSS or additional GPU hardware. It wouldn't have to be that powerful, just sufficient enough to output 1440p with some anti-aliasing and basic anisotropic filtering, two things that have been a rarity in most in-house Nintendo games. Something between the PS4 and PS4 Pro would be fine, I think.
 
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Montauk

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One funny thought I had was that the whole Nintendo fanboy line of “specs don’t matter” will completely vanish if this actually turns up to be powerful, lol.

Just like back in the day there was a big change of tune when games that were previously only on other platforms and dismissed as “violent” and mediocre, suddenly became cool great “mature” games when they came to the N64/GameCube.
 

ultrazilla

Gold Member
One ‘Switch 2’ demo is understood to have been an improved version of the Switch launch title Zelda: Breath of the Wild, running at a higher framerate and resolution than the original game did, on hardware targeting the new console’s specs (but there was no suggestion the game will actually be re-released.)

I can see Nintendo re-releasing both Zelda: BOTW and Zelda: TOTK as "Definitive Editions" for the Switch 2. Heck, I'd be shocked if this never happened.

Excited to finally start reading about Switch 2. It's been a long time coming and hopefully will be worth the wait.
 

Interfectum

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One funny thought I had was that the whole Nintendo fanboy line of “specs don’t matter” will completely vanish if this actually turns up to be powerful, lol.

Just like back in the day there was a big change of tune when games that were previously only on other platforms and dismissed as “violent” and mediocre, suddenly became cool great “mature” games when they came to the N64/GameCube.
Switch proved that specs don't matter but more power is always welcome.

A theoretical Switch 2 that can punch near PS5 / Series X class with the help of DLSS will be a major problem for Sony and MS. Would make for an interesting shift in the console wars where Nintendo already dominates but they 'don't count' primarily due to horsepower.
 

ADiTAR

ידע זה כוח
One funny thought I had was that the whole Nintendo fanboy line of “specs don’t matter” will completely vanish if this actually turns up to be powerful, lol.

Just like back in the day there was a big change of tune when games that were previously only on other platforms and dismissed as “violent” and mediocre, suddenly became cool great “mature” games when they came to the N64/GameCube.
Specs don't matter, because games do. Most of Nintendo's games look great on Switch, it's the art style that makes them stand out. I think that beefier specs will enable more third party games that usually don't come to Nintendo's systems.
 

Toots

Gold Member
I misread the title, switching "developpers" with "journalists", and i thought there was some kind of nintendo ban on eurogamer and they couldn't attend the presentation, but they're not too mad at nintendo about it.
 

Montauk

Member
I think that beefier specs will enable more third party games that usually don't come to Nintendo's systems.

Oh, so better specs are a good thing now?

Pretty sure you’d have been skinned alive and thrown in a salt pit by Nintendo fanboys for suggesting the Switchs spec was always weak and that they could really benefit from better hardware in future prior to, oh I dunno, like right now in this thread.

Obviously if this wasn’t the news and the news was that the Switch 2 was relatively underpowered again this thread would be flooded by Nintendo fanboys saying “good, Nintendo games are beyond spec, in fact here’s 10,000 words on why this low spec is sheer brilliance”.

We both know that.
 
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BlackTron

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You guys don't get it, Nintendo hardware has always and will remain a step behind, something they can sell en masse while squeezing a profit, that step behind just happens to have gotten pretty good.

Nothing has changed.
 

Buggy Loop

Member
Another VGC source claimed that Nintendo showcased Epic’s impressive The Matrix Awakens Unreal Engine 5 tech demo – originally released to showcase the power of PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X in 2021 – running on target specs for its next console.

The demo is said to have been running using Nvidia’s DLSS 3.5 upscaling technology, with advanced ray tracing enabled and visuals comparable to Sony and Microsoft’s current-gen consoles.

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Even when i was optimistic for Nvidia's next mobile iteration and Nintendo Switch 2, this would be beyond expectations. Well, who knows really, we wouldn't know the resolution and the cutoffs made to achieve the demo, could be like Witcher 3 running on Switch, "looks like witcher 3" but isn't really comparable side by side.

But Nvidia tech's since Tegra has evolved so much, be prepared for a drastic departure in upscaler/frame gen/RT/IO tech. DLSS is god tier.
 

JimboJones

Member
I'm thinking best-case scenario "somewhat comparable", i.e., lower-powered console but can't immediately see difference on 1080p unless you squint.
Ya, some people would consider Doom on Switch as "somewhat comparable" to PS4/XboxOne but obviously doing a side by side shows stark differences but the base game is still intact.
I don't think people will mind some compromises on visuals as long as the base game is still more or less there with the benefit of portability.
 

Montauk

Member
Anyway now that I’ve said my piece hopefully we do end up with powerful hardware. If they can control the price alongside that then obviously this is a good thing.

I want something that looks a lot better on a big screen in docked mode.
 
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diffusionx

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Really comes down to whether they plan to release early 2024 like the Switch in 2017, or a more traditional release. If it's the former we should be hearing about it very soon.

If that thing runs the Matrix demo (runs it well anyway), we're not looking at a lightweight CPU for mobile devices.
I going to laugh my ass off if AMD ends up producing hardware for every console in the market.
To be fair, the PS5 and Xbox didn't run it well
 

nowhat

Member
Uhh, Eurogamer were the ones to leak the NX and PS4 Neo back in the day.
Eurogamer is also the outlet that shadowbanned me for criticizing an article about "OMG did you know that H. P. Lovecraft was racist???". So I don't hold them in very high regard. If they had outright banned me and told me about it I would have been more tolerant.
 

Perrott

Member
Eurogamer is also the outlet that shadowbanned me for criticizing an article about "OMG did you know that H. P. Lovecraft was racist???". So I don't hold them in very high regard. If they had outright banned me and told me about it I would have been more tolerant.
Just because they have some woke weirdos in their staff doesn't mean that their most senior and well-respected reporters don't have actual sources to come up with these sort of exclusive news.
 
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