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[Shauni]

To be fair..that's the impression Nintendo have been putting out there.

They said no Zelda..and they have said multiple times that they'll be showing games launching in the near future in the event, emphasising it'll be to show 2015 releases and some early 2016 ones (which is why Zelda won't be shown as it's not due in that time period).

Nintendo's statements have pretty much told fans to manage their expectations as we already know what almost all of their 2015 games will be (on Wii U at least).

Has this actually been said, or are we drawing this assumption based on that Zelda delay tweet? Because I always felt people took that too literally overall. Due to the retailer invitation thing that leaked, we know that 2016 games will be there, and I don't recall there ever being any kind of specification that it will be only early 2016 titles.

I mean, like I said, I'm not saying we're in for some blowout show for sure. I, like everyone else, won't know until a few hours. But it is interesting to me how the assumption is already pretty dire.

 

[KingSnake]

A 3D platformer starring DK would lead to an awful reaction? Or a DK racer?

If there is no Metroid at this E3? Yeah! It will backfire in a big way. It will hurt the games too, like it hurt DKC:TF.

Or it'll be like Tropical Freeze where the internet whines and complains about butthurt because wasted talent and then it winds up one of the best games Nintendo has ever published.

And sold below average and didn't got awesome reviews for the sole reason that it was just another fucking Donkey Kong.

 

[anotherVegan]

Get your bodies ready!

 

[Shauni]

What? For real?

I'm wondering this, too, first I'm hearing about it. Is that something that's been said, or is this assumption based on the obviously close resemblance to Hunters?

 

[GRW810]

There were three Prime games tho.

We need a third game to complete the DK trilogy.

I'm a massive DKC fan but no, not right now. Metroid first, jungle later.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

And sold below average and didn't got awesome reviews for the sole reason that it was just another fucking Donkey Kong.

Are people here supposed to get hyped for sales potential and critical acclaim rather than for what they'd enjoy themselves?

 

[Shauni]

If there is no Metroid at this E3? Yeah! It will backfire in a big way. It will hurt the games too, like it hurt DKC:TF.



And sold below average and didn't got awesome reviews for the sole reason that it was just another fucking Donkey Kong.

Lol, I highly doubt the "backlash" had anything to do with TF's sales.

 

[Plinko]

Retro surely isn't working on another DK game, Nintendo surely isn't that stupid. They know it'll get an awful reaction.

I don't think "reaction" is what Nintendo cares about here.

The fact that Tropical Freeze sold terribly is what should push them away from making another.

 

[KingSnake]

I'm a massive DKC fan but no, not right now. Metroid first, jungle later.

Really. I loved DCK:TF, but another DKC now will bury the franchise for good due to the undeserved hate it will get.

Lol, I highly doubt the "backlash" had anything to do with TF's sales.

Then it had to do with what?

Are people here supposed to get hyped for sales potential and critical acclaim rather than for themselves?

This is not what I said.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Okay my final predictions...

Starfox gameplay - developed by Platinum
Super Mario Maker - trailer, will save specific talk for the Treehouse stream
Fire Emblem IF - trailer, will save specific information about North American release (if they'll do 1 or 2 versions) for a Direct AFTER the game has launched in Japan.
Retro's new game - not Metroid... just... i dunno man.
Next Level Games' next game - Luigi's Mansion 3 for WiiU
Gamecube remaster - Mario Sunshine HD?
Paper Mario 3DS - port of Thousand Year Door... GOD DAMNIT, PLEASE HAPPEN
Xenoblade Chronicles X trailer
Amiibo-centric game for WiiU

 

[KingBroly]

I don't think "reaction" is what Nintendo cares about here.

The fact that Tropical Freeze sold terribly is what should push them away from making another.

Pretty much. People didn't want Retro to work on another Donkey Kong game. They wanted a new IP or Metroid or some other IP.

 

[KooopaKid]

While I have a lot of love for Nintendo, I don't really see how they're going to top the other conferences.

This has been a truly phenomenal E3 so far.

Sony's will be near impossible, to beat MS is very easily doable.

 

[Felensis]

Why all the hate against DK?!
DKCR and DKCTF were top notch platformers, one of the best in years. I've just recently played through TF and was blewn away. If they make a third one it should be a real 3d platformer. DKCTF already had some awesome cinematic introductions and camera views during levels which hinted at how vast and gorgeous the game could've been as a 3d platformer.

I'm also happy with Metroid or anything else, because I believe in Retro and Nintendo =)

 

[Shauni]

Then it had to do with what?

The obvious answer is the low userbase of the Wii U.

 

[?oe?oe]

Nintendo will bring the gifs.

 

[KingSnake]

Are people here supposed to get hyped for sales potential and critical acclaim rather than for what they'd enjoy themselves?

That has nothing to do with what I said. It's about creating awareness and good will. Not acting like a company that doesn't give a shit about the feedback. You're allowed to not give a shit about feedback when you have sales backing your stubbornness, which is not the case now.

The obvious answer is the low userbase of the Wii U.

DKC:TF sold average to THAT user base. This is not about comparing to PS4 or Xbone, it's about how well DKC:TF sold compared to other Wii U games. And compared to how well it sold on Wii and 3ds (again, by reporting it to the userbase, not in absolute numbers).

 

[Vinnk]

Or it'll be like Tropical Freeze where the internet whines and complains about butthurt because wasted talent and then it winds up one of the best games Nintendo has ever published.

LOVED Tropical Freeze but something else please.

 

[-Horizon-]

We're gonna get a continuation of the whole bill got fired thing right? You can't just end on that cliff hanger.

 

[Lynd7]

I don't think "reaction" is what Nintendo cares about here.

The fact that Tropical Freeze sold terribly is what should push them away from making another.

Well they need good word of mouth.

It would be pretty disappointing to get yet another DKC game from them now. We really don't need another for awhile. Despite how good the quality is or may be.

 

[LAA]

So, I guess Sony pretty much won by 5 gigaton bombs? I can't see how Nintendo could possibly beat it. Even if what I want to show up there the most (Metroid), that isnt enough simply.

Still excited to watch anyway. Maybe some more SSB news will be there.. (Though unlikely I think), Star Fox will probably show up, Xenoblade Chronicles X too. Need new announcements really and quite a lot.

 

[Volotaire]

We're gonna get a continuation of the whole bill got fired thing right? You can't just end on that cliff hanger.

Good reminder. Is RobotChicken going to continue to produce this year's video??

 

[BGBW]

So what I'm reading here is that people were willing to deny themselves an enjoyable experience with a highly polished platformer because of principle and Nintendo upsetting them during an E3? I know some people are crazy but I doubt that was the reason DKTF didn't sell well. Reasons like over exposure to 2D platformers, getting their fill with the first, simply having too many games coming out around that time (was that the case, can't remember) would all be more plausible reason.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

That has nothing to do with what I said. It's about creating awareness and good will. Not acting like a company that doesn't give a shit about the feedback. You're allowed to not give a shit about feedback when you have sales backing your stubbornness, which is not the case now.

Can't do shit about a userbase that doesn't know quality when it sees it anyway, and it's not like there's any way to turn things around at this point.

 

[Shiggy]

Are people here supposed to get hyped for sales potential and critical acclaim rather than for what they'd enjoy themselves?

Most people didn't seem to be interested in the game based on the game's sales. So yes, that's definitely something to keep in mind. It's nice if you enjoyed it, but others simply didn't care about a simple sequel to that Wii game which was yet another 2D platformer.

DKC:TF sold average to THAT user base. This is not about comparing to PS4 or Xbone, it's about how well DKC:TF sold compared to other Wii U games. And compared to how well it sold on Wii and 3ds (again, by reporting it to the userbase, not in absolute numbers).

You can't just hide behind the userbase. If it really was a game that people wanted, they'd get the console for that (we have plenty of examples for that). But DKC:TF was just something that didn't inspire most gamers.

 

[The Giant]

Nintendo is gonna announce that they now co-own the Orge Battle franchise with squareenix and reveal the next game in the series.

 

[GRW810]

Are people here supposed to get hyped for sales potential and critical acclaim rather than for what they'd enjoy themselves?

Sales and reviews can affect the future of a series, so obviously it's a concern to fans. I never understand when people say others shouldn't be concerned by such things.

Really. I loved DCK:TF, but another DKC now will bury the franchise for good due to the undeserved hate it will get.

Exactly. TF was a sublime game at the wrong time and thus it has always been criticised simply for not being Metroid. We could have done with Metroid first and TF this year or next.

I'm so ready for different games that if it turns out Retro are working on their third DKC game I'd actually consider boycotting it to avoid burnout on my favourite series.

 

[Shauni]

So, I guess Sony pretty much won by 5 gigaton bombs? I can't see how Nintendo could possibly beat it. Even if what I want to show up there the most (Metroid), that isnt enough simply.

Still excited to watch anyway. Maybe some more SSB news will be there.. (Though unlikely I think), Star Fox will probably show up, Xenoblade Chronicles X too. Need new announcements really and quite a lot.

"Winning" is subjective. I mean, personally speaking, I wasn't blown away by Sony's conference. I mean, yeah, I get why people are buzzing about it, but FFVII and Shenmue aren't games I care about, and I'm not super sold on TLG. Probably the star of their show for me was Horizon, that game looked fantastic.

Honestly, if Nintendo announces a new Punch-Out and nothing else new (like I feel they hinted at), I will be pretty happy.

 

[Darryl]

While I have a lot of love for Nintendo, I don't really see how they're going to top the other conferences.

This has been a truly phenomenal E3 so far.

This stuff sounds so ridiculous when you haven't been watching the conferences

 

[Clefargle]

People bring up Prime as I assume they want more of that style of game, rather than requesting Metroid from all Nintendo studios in general because since that could result in something different (like Metroid Prime Pinball 2), therefore it's fair to compare a DKC game with a DKC game rather than a Taiko: Drum Master spinoff. Anyway, my point was brining up the waiting years is a silly argument ergo the ridiculous Ice Climbers example. I didn't really think that needed explaining.

Yeah I think the crux here is that Metroid as a franchise has received very little representation over the same period of time the DK franchise has. Metroid fans after prime also had to deal with other M and it's obvious that while the DKCR games are quality, they are not in as high demand as HD futuristic FPS are.

 

[Shauni]

DKC:TF sold average to THAT user base. This is not about comparing to PS4 or Xbone, it's about how well DKC:TF sold compared to other Wii U games. And compared to how well it sold on Wii and 3ds (again, by reporting it to the userbase, not in absolute numbers).

I wasn't comparing it to PS4/Xbox sales, not sure where you pulled that from. A lot of the core franchises have dropped in overall sales, but I'm sure the low userbase of the Wii U has absolutely nothing to do with that?

 

[maxcriden]

I think the idea that Nintendo will focus on releases coming in the near future are based on Nintendo's description of the Digital Event as being about that specifically, but as the press info described above demonstrates, Nintendo by no means solely sticks to these announced timeframes for the kinds of games they discuss in their Directs and similar presentations, so I see no reason for concern really on that front. Plus, Nintendo are often eager to announce new games that are also still coming out within multiple months or by the end of the year. So really I don't see any cause to expect a different timeframe for the games announced than we saw last year.

 

[Busaiku]

I hope it's closer to an hour this year.

 

[Shauni]

I hope it's closer to an hour this year.

It's 45 minutes

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

FWIW, Tropical Freeze was considerably better than that Wii game.

The problem with that is, how many it sold?
There was a really big amount of people that didnt want it as they were tired of 2d platformers already by that time. The game is great, but people want other things from them.
I particularly think (even having it) that it would have been better if the 3d port of returns would have never been released.

Tropical Freeze was an amazing game released at the wrong time. Let more time pass, retro releases other games in between (even if its only 1), then release tropical freeze (and add king k rool and the crocs) and people would have been incredibly happy with a sequel to returns.

A 3rd now would even make the matters worse. If retro goes with another DK thing, even if its Diddy Kong Racing, people are going to get mad. A sure way for nintendo to kill the donkey kong franchise, because people want rweto to do a new ip or metroid. Now Diddy Kong Racing by monster games, that would be cool (but only if it has story mode, I dont need a nother kart racer that does exactly the same thing as mario kart but with planes and boats).

 

[Holy Order Sol]

Sales and reviews can affect the future of a series, so obviously it's a concern to fans. I never understand when people say others shouldn't be concerned by such things.

It's one thing to acknowledge how things work but it's another thing to let it actually determine what you want over your own tastes.

 

[KingSnake]

Can't do shit about a userbase that doesn't know quality when it sees it anyway, and it's not like there's any way to turn things around at this point.

Nintendo overcrowded the Wii U with 2d platformers, Nintendo sent DKC:TF to February to die. Nintendo didn't give a shit to promote it too much. Nintendo actively sabotaged its game by using Cranky Kong at a game show unfitted for 2d platformers two months before release. Trolling also the Metroid fans. It got no so great reviews because of the fact that it was perceived as being just another DK. Retro actively sabotaged the game when they didn't put a damn thing on the gamepad.

Again, i love it, but the game failed. Failed to reach the sales deserved for the best 2d platformer, failed to sparkle any kind of hype. That's how the best franchises die and I don't want that. Let it rest a bit.

I wasn't comparing it to PS4/Xbox sales, not sure where you pulled that from. A lot of the core franchises have dropped in overall sales, but I'm sure the low userbase of the Wii U has absolutely nothing to do with that?

I'm talking about how many Wii U users bought DKC:TF compared to how many users bought other 1st party game, what are you talking about?

 

[Akhe]

How about a "W101 Tactics", guys? I think It would be very nice.

 

[J@hranimo]

It's 45 minutes

Is it really? That seems shorter than last year.

 

[EatChildren]

The Wonderful 101 sold like ass and it's the best game on the system. Life is cruel.

Real talk I want, of all established franchises, Retro to work on Metroid much more than Donkey Kong. I've had my top tier DKC fix on the Wii U, now I need Prime 4. But if all they've got to offer is another DKC, side scrolling or 3D (where the fuck is this gossip coming from?), then my initial disappointment will be quelled by the confidence it'll be fucking amazing.

 

[Qurupeke]

Is the Event really only 45 minutes? Seems too short.. At least there's Treehouse for more footage but still how many things can they deliver?

I mean they'll probably talk about stuff like amiibos, Super Mario Maker, Hyrule Warriors and maybe Yoshi for at least 15 minutes. Half an hour of new stuff doesn't seem that much considering that StarFox will probably take like 5 minutes as it's a Miyamoto game...

 

[Vampirolol]

Honestly, whatever Retro is doing I'm probably going to love it, DKC TF is my goty 2014 afterall. But if I have to tell you, a third DK is something I don't need right now. There's plenty of 2D platforms on WiiU and with Super Mario Maker and Yarn Yoshi coming I would like to see something different.

 

[ffdgh]

Nintendo overcrowded the Wii U with 2d platformers, Nintendo sent DKC:TF to February to die. Nintendo didn't give a shit to promote it too much. Nintendo actively sabotage its game by using Cranky Kong at a game show unfitted for 2d platformers two months before release. Trolling also the Metroid fans. It got no so great reviews because of the fact that it was perceived as being just another DK. Retro actively sabotaged the game when they didn't put a damn thing on the gamepad.

Again, i love it, but the game failed. Failed to reach the sales deserved for the best 2d platformer, failed to sparkle any kind of hype. That's how the best franchises die and I don't want that. Let it rest a bit.

The lack of off screen play and the headphone jack not working(especially with that ost) really bugged the heck out me.

 

[xaszatm]

Really? All this talk about Retro MUST be working on the game I want seems...petty. Whatever game Retro comes out with, I'll be happy with. They've proven to be valuable developers that have a real talent so far with whatever they touch.

And let's be honest, if they aren't making Metroid, there will be complaining thread, not a "hype" thread. In fact, if they come out with a Metroid and they don't make it a FPS, it will be a complaining thread. Retro HAS to make a Metroid FPS in your eyes and stop denying that we won't get a thread going "Retro betrayed us" unless its a perfect Metroid Prime 4 if they show up at all.

 

[Shauni]

Is the Event really only 45 minutes? Seems too short.. At least there's Treehouse for more footage but still how many things can they deliver?

I mean they'll probably talk about stuff like amiibos, Super Mario Maker, Hyrule Warriors and maybe Yoshi for at least 15 minutes. Half an hour of new stuff doesn't seem that much considering that StarFox will probably take like 5 minutes as it's a Miyamoto game...

As mentioned before, the length of the video is in line with the previous two years.

 

[BGBW]

Well at least people have gotten over their obsession with wishing for Raven Blade.

 

[KooopaKid]

I have a feeling Starfox is going to be disappointing visually

 

[phanphare]

today is the day!!


hype time

 

[Celine]

So now that no Platinum game was shown in Xbox/Sony does that mean their hyped title is on Nintendo, or is it really that lame Transformers game..

Star Fox.

 

[Shiggy]

The Wonderful 101 sold like ass and it's the best game on the system. Life is cruel.

Real talk I want, of all established franchises, Retro to work on Metroid much more than Donkey Kong. I've had my top tier DKC fix on the Wii U, now I need Prime 4. But if all they've got to offer is another DKC, side scrolling or 3D (where the fuck is this gossip coming from?), then my initial disappointment will be quelled by the confidence it'll be fucking amazing.

All we can assume is that they are not working on an original IP and most likely not on a console Metroid game.

 

[Qurupeke]

As mentioned before, the length of the video is in line with the previous two years.

Wasn't it 1 hour last years? Or I'm mistaken?