Fourth Storm
Member
I guess that users with crappy internet could still invest in the supplemental computing device and it would provide a boost via physical connection, as the patent describes. Cloud gaming would be extra gravy.
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I guess that users with crappy internet could still invest in the supplemental computing device and it would provide a boost via physical connection, as the patent describes. Cloud gaming would be extra gravy.
OrbitalBeard
Member
I just don't see it happening with many games, if any. NX looks to be combining handheld and home console into one super device (or multiple form factors that play the same software, which is the more likely scenario), so having games that require the player to be online at all times just wouldn't make sense. Outside of online MP games of course.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Right, but you have to be able to play these on your handheld, right? Everything is gonna have to be built for playing on a little screen with inevitably weaker tech on the go. This could very well effectively kill Nintendo console style games, or anything that can't be watered down into smaller packages like Smash Bros or Mario Kart. Zelda U could very well be the swan song for that particular style of 3D Zeldas.
With all the excitement of the hardware opportunities, I'd almost forgotten the only Nintendo franchise I adore is Zelda. Hopefully there are some really great software opportunities for me as well, but I'm not holding my breath. It'd be marvelous to see Nintendo's level of ingenuity and artistry applied to more story-driven experiences.
They're not patenting cloud computing, they are patenting the supplemental device that provides cloud computing to other devices, which people are guessing the purpose is to be used with the NX.
TheSlySoul
Member
I hope this means the portable and console SKUs will share saves on games like Smash. Would be pretty awesome.
okaygeraldo
Neo Member
InsaneZero
Member
I'm not sure how people are reading this and getting online-only out of it at all
shadow2810
Member
So you only need to buy one device, if you want better graphic/framerate etc., pay some more to for the upgrade kit.
Now for some crazy idea. What if that supplemental device = your PC?
but it mentioned using other peoples machines to supplement your own...that needs to be online, surely?
People don't understand how Local Area Networks work.
The 3DS has improved versions of both N64 Zeldas (OK, some people debate whether Majora's Mask is better, but not for technical reasons) and ports of Dragon Quest VIII and Xenoblade Chronicles, so I don't think this is a concern. They will need to design their games to scale down to weaker hardware, but PC games have needed to support a wide range of hardware for years and it hasn't held them back.
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You can play Ocarina of Time and Mario Kart with no issues on a handheld and Smash as well. Heck, even Vita has 'big' games that work on the system with no issues, from Uncharted to Killzone.
I don't think tech will affect the scope of games but their visual quality, like going from 'high' settings to 'normal' settings, textures being more washed out and so on. Who knows how visible that difference will be: they always surprise with some neat tech like their 3D tech or the Gamepad and its perfect communication.
Besides, Zelda Wii U will most definitely come to NX and that has to run on the system and look (slightly) better; and that's the most expensive game they've ever made
DaSorcerer7
Member
But there are too many variables with that approach.
Overall, really exciting times for Nintendo.
I'm not sure, is this image intended as exasperation with what I posted?
...if so, do you have any idea how many times customers have asked me why they'd want a DS with 3D functionality, or a Wii with a tablet?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
The 3DS can do N64 ports and a really ugly/worse version of a 2010 Wii game. Just how powerful do you expect this handheld to reasonably be? Are Nintendo just giving up on consoles, and providing the kind of big spectacular experiences gamers want from new consoles? Even if that makes financial sense for them, it not very exciting for me as a fan of their bigger games.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
As an option, not a requirement. It's conceivable that your game will scale down with no supplemental computing devices powering it. Or maybe games on the TV WILL require you to be online for that extra juice, but only if you don't have your own supplemental device hardwired to it. So it's a cheap online-only option, or a more expensive don't-need-online option.
Herbspiceguy
Member
The part about gaining credits for sharing your 'supplemental device's power to other users sounds very interesting to me. Actually isn't this one of the most progressive concepts in the console space right now?
InsaneZero
Member
Nothing in the patent describes the game console requiring to connect to the network for anything.
The only use case where there is a connection the remote machine initiates the request to your game console, and it's not a bilateral connection.
you are making quite a bit of assumptions based on the classic weakness of a handheld. Imagine streaming your content from the base console to your supplement handheld device. either via local wifi or internet maybe.
okaygeraldo
Neo Member
No, I read that and laughed really loud because it's 100% true and 200% hilarious. Kudos.
It's also receiving a port of Hyrule Warriors. And it was designed separately from the Wii U's architecture. If they design a unified platform well (which is, yes, a big if) then scaling down won't be a problem. My 2009 laptop can still play some new PC games at low settings. And the new handheld will probably be much stronger than the 3DS.
Oh, okay.
For all my talk of Nintendo marketing messages, sometimes I'm not so good at comprehending things myself. xDI wonder if they mean MyNintendo points with that - because those work for merchandise, their theme park, game sales and so on. Which indeed would be neat.
Garrett 2U
Member
The patent describes two types of supplemental devices that directly connect to the console.
One type that connects physically and one type that connects wirelessly.
It has little to do with a remote accessed cloud, and this thread is full of 'always online' outrage.
That's how closed minded this community is regarding cloud computing.
One type that connects physically and one type that connects wirelessly.
It has little to do with a remote accessed cloud, and this thread is full of 'always online' outrage.
That's how closed minded this community is regarding cloud computing.
Yes.
well...
Power of the Cloud and hybrid rumors are back in full swing.
Thanks OP!! lol
Seriously....amazing find. I never totally dismissed the hybrid tumors. But reading Iwata mention different form factors sounded like different devices...some bigger some smaller, etc.
Power of the Cloud and hybrid rumors are back in full swing.
Thanks OP!! lol
Seriously....amazing find. I never totally dismissed the hybrid tumors. But reading Iwata mention different form factors sounded like different devices...some bigger some smaller, etc.
Fourth Storm
Member
I'd thought about NX being a MyCloud type thing in the past. This sounds like it may be somewhat similar if it's the core of the Nintendo's new "platform."
Remember how Iwata mentioned NX would not merely replace Wii U and 3DS, which had everyone talking "third pillar." What if it really is a third pillar and the first year or so the NX server interacts w/ Wii U and 3DS? The thing is the lack of a high speed physical connection would be very limiting.
Remember how Iwata mentioned NX would not merely replace Wii U and 3DS, which had everyone talking "third pillar." What if it really is a third pillar and the first year or so the NX server interacts w/ Wii U and 3DS? The thing is the lack of a high speed physical connection would be very limiting.
Because this is definitely for NX, right?
This is probably exactly it.
Imagine earning points 24/7 by having your devices hooked to the Nintendo cloud.
It's absolutely brilliant marketing and an amazing way to get people to use your online.
And there will be a phone App that keeps you updated on who's using your systems and how many points you get. Instantly redeemable in the app to buy games and goods.
witchedwiz
Member
they are allowed to patent this?
are you kidding me?
jesus christ...
as a sw eng I feel ashamed.. they are NOT patenting a technology, they are patenting a behaviour..
this is not even funny...
are you kidding me?
jesus christ...
as a sw eng I feel ashamed.. they are NOT patenting a technology, they are patenting a behaviour..
this is not even funny...
Well, like I say in the other sentence you didn't quote...
My point was more towards making NX even more "confusing" but ok..
okaygeraldo
Neo Member
Oh, okay.
I really did like your point though.
I think they need to come out of the gates with branding that speaks to something different. Don't even mention backwards compatibility when marketing this thing (even if it does have it). The "Wii" brand shouldn't be anywhere near this thing.
Also, spending marketing dollars too. I felt like the Wii U wasn't marketed much.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I'm really curious to see the overall reaction of the gaming community when Nintendo's next 2016/17 console is revealed to not actually be a console at all, but a handheld that isn't nearly as strong as the PS4/Xbone and can plug it to another thing you have to buy and play handheld style games in HD.
I can see it now.
- Portable device will launch. This will have certain games that play on it.
- Home console will launch with substantial more power
- Extra computing device will launch and allow portable device to play home console titles. In order to get more people to be able to play all games, they will allow people with portables to use other people's extra computer devices via the cloud to play home console titles (maybe at a price?).
Both systems will have games, all can be played via the home console or portable- but you need the extra add-on for the portable to play home console titles. The cost will likely be the same total (so if you buy handheld+computing it = cost of home console).
This will appeal to both West and East and allow them to scale games across the devices.
- Portable device will launch. This will have certain games that play on it.
- Home console will launch with substantial more power
- Extra computing device will launch and allow portable device to play home console titles. In order to get more people to be able to play all games, they will allow people with portables to use other people's extra computer devices via the cloud to play home console titles (maybe at a price?).
Both systems will have games, all can be played via the home console or portable- but you need the extra add-on for the portable to play home console titles. The cost will likely be the same total (so if you buy handheld+computing it = cost of home console).
This will appeal to both West and East and allow them to scale games across the devices.