Nintendo Switch: Powered by Custom Nvidia Tegra Chip (Official)

Easy_D said:
If this shit is using Pascal I'll be hype as shit. But even then, a custom Maxwell chip could still end up being noticably more powerful than the X1 chip, especially if it has active cooling, right?

On a sidenote, is the desktop site fucked for anyone else? I had to use mobile mode in chrome to use it lol
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God thank you for bringing then up, I've been trying to fix that for ages. I figured something was wrong with my browser, since resetting the IP address/purging the DNS cache did nothing.

Yikes top of the page...

I'd want to remind people curious about the power level compared to XB1/PS4 that Tegra chips get double performance out of FP16 precision code, which might make it hard to directly compare. Some games could in theory perform bettet on the Switch than the XB1, and some could not. UE4 games for instance can apparently take heavy advantage of FP16 code.
 
rockyt said:
Why are some people saying maxwell. From my understanding it's pascal base GPU with a really strong cpu.
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Because of a devkit "rumour" from somebody who previously stated that there won't be any Tegra in NX, so obviously she's more credible than the people who actually got the NX rumour right and who said that NX uses a Pascal based Tegra.
 
Ushay said:
I agree, the specs are sub-par. But it ultimately boils down to the price and how good the games are, I'm definitely interested in this as a device for my son.

For me? Doubt I'd play anything outside of Zelda really. Scorpio will take up much of my time for that. If what I am reading is correct and the most of the internals are housed in the LCD/Screen thingy, this device will be no where near the PS4/Xbox One in terms of output.
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The specs are only underwhelming when you look at it in the realm of a home console only. This is the most powerful portable gaming device on the market right now with a strong stable of exclusive IP.

No other portable handheld is as powerful as this thing right now. In that perspective it is very powerful.
 
where the hell are the speakers??? Are they back firing?

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th3sicknness said:
The specs are only underwhelming when you look at it in the realm of a home console only. This is the most powerful portable gaming device on the market right now with a strong stable of exclusive IP.

No other portable handheld is as powerful as this thing right now. In that perspective it is very powerful.
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It is a home console.

This thing is weak as hell.
 
Some people should relax.

Remember Emily said the "multiple devices" thing is true. This hyrbid is just the first. Maybe in 2 years they'll add a powerful dedicated home console.
 
Skittzo0413 said:
If it's Pascal then it will likely range from the GPU between slightly under XB1 to slightly over it, depending on the game.

With a decently superior CPU.
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Im praying that it is Pascal and not modified Maxwell... The timing seems a bit right due to the fact that Nvidia recently announced it and Pascal has way way better power management and a smaller fab process.
 
Relaxed Muscle said:
Nintendo can call it whatever they want, when I look at it, I see a portable not a console.
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Isn't that rather the point? Keep the advertising ambiguous, people who want a console, see a console with portability, people who want a portable see a portable with TV connectivity.
 
To me the fact that the dock (seemingly) provides no additional power and all these games can run entirely on the device, portably, makes it a handheld. The dock and TV hookup do not make it a home console since that's not it's dedicated function.

But as someone above said the fact people are seeing it as what they want may actually be a sign that this was smart
 
Dark Cloud said:
Some people should relax.

Remember Emily said the "multiple devices" thing is true. This hyrbid is just the first. Maybe in 2 years they'll add a powerful dedicated home console.
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I rather expect them to sell the exact same hardware without display and battery as a stationary console for a cheaper price.
 
USC-fan said:
I don't see any way it more powerful than xbone.

People need to give up this dream. It's a handheld.
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Absolutely. Emily said it was lower than XB1 and she's been right the whole way.

That said, that type of power on a handheld screen is going to be absolutely amazing.
 
USC-fan said:
I don't see any way it more powerful than xbone.

People need to give up this dream. It's a handheld.
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The CPU at least could very easy be more powerful, considering the jaguars in the ps4 and one are trash.

But who cares. People are debating, defending and dooming with zero confirmed info.
 
Dark Cloud said:
Some people should relax.

Remember Emily said the "multiple devices" thing is true. This hyrbid is just the first. Maybe in 2 years they'll add a powerful dedicated home console.
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Well if they have fully partnered with Nvidia i can see a "elite" home switch console with like a 1050ti in it or something.
 
Easy_D said:
Isn't that rather the point? Keep the advertising ambiguous, people who want a console, see a console with portability, people who want a portable see a portable with TV connectivity.
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It could appeal to both or neither. I'm hoping that Nintendo tried to get Pascal because it's more efficient. If Switch's GPU clocks close to the Xbox One and the CPU is good, it could outperform it in some instances. However, I'm pretty sure not many people are expecting large amounts of RAM though so some games just aren't going to be feasible.
 
fvng said:
How does this GPU stack up against current gen consoles?
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Which GPU? The one in the leaks?
That one is somewhere between slightly less than 1/2 as fast to just a bit slower than a XB1, depending on how extensively a given game can use FP16 rather than FP32.
 
Easy_D said:
Isn't that rather the point? Keep the advertising ambiguous, people who want a console, see a console with portability, people who want a portable see a portable with TV connectivity.
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The innards are based on low power consumption chips and tech found on other portable devices. That's not a console.
 
bananafactory said:
To me the fact that the dock (seemingly) provides no additional power and all these games can run entirely on the device, portably, makes it a handheld. The dock and TV hookup do not make it a home console since that's not it's dedicated function.

But as someone above said the fact people are seeing it as what they want may actually be a sign that this was smart
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The Switch probably runs at a lower clock speed when not docked to conserve battery power.
 
bomblord1 said:
So because an old system with a die shrink still needed an active cooler a newer chip can't outperform it?
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Right, and the Switch has active cooling as well! We really don't know the extent of the cooling but the fact that a Pascal Tegra chip even requires cooling at all says something.
 
Does this console prove to be as successful as the SNES and Wii days for Nintendo...Or are we looking at (potentially) a Wii U-2....would be interesting to see Nintendo has to get it right this time...they can't afford another flop can they?
 
Nvidia working on the API/tools/OS news is the most intriguing part of this to me.

The "Scalable processor" is cool too. Maybe we can see more form factors in the future.
 
Skittzo0413 said:
Right, and the Switch has active cooling as well! We really don't know the extent of the cooling but the fact that a Pascal Tegra chip even requires cooling at all says something.
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Probably that it has advanced power gating, and can use more wattage when plugged in for better performance, allowing higher clocks but necessitating active cooling. I would not expect games to perform exactly the same while in handheld mode vs. docked mode.
 
Durante said:
Which GPU? The one in the leaks?
That one is somewhere between slightly less than 1/2 as fast to just a bit slower than a XB1, depending on how extensively a given game can use FP16 rather than FP32.
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The one in the "leaks" is 1) specifically for devkits and 2) "leaked" by someone who strongly denied Nvidia involvement with the NX before the reveal. The leak assumes Maxwell v2 vs. Pascal as the starting process for the GPU. It seems silly to assume Nintendo went with a 28nm process when a 14/16nm process was readily available. Sure, 14/16nm is probably more expensive now, but you have to think over the life of the product it makes a lot more sense.
 
RootCause said:
How would I know. That's why I'm asking. I haven't been glued to this site since the system was announced.
No sass needed.
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The Xbone uses a Jaguar x86 processor, 8-core. The Jaguar is a mess of a CPU. Slow, processes badly, and all around mess from AMD (and I LIKE their processors). It was a big complaint about this (and the PS4) when their specs were announced. A good enough ARM process could be faster and more stable than the Jaguar, but we don't know the actually CPU in the Switch.
 
tarheel91 said:
The one in the "leaks" is 1) specifically for devkits and 2) "leaked" by someone who strongly denied Nvidia involvement with the NX before the reveal. The leak assumes Maxwell v2 vs. Pascal as the starting process for the GPU. It seems silly to assume Nintendo went with a 28nm process when a 14/16nm process was readily available. Sure, 14/16nm is probably more expensive now, but you have to think over the life of the product it makes a lot more sense.
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Using Pascal on 14 or 16nm is completely within the realm of possibility. Some might say likely, even.

But it wouldn't really change where the GPU slots in performance-wise unless they don't just change the architecture/process, but also invest the gains in more performance (by increasing the number of execution units and/or their clock) rather than lower power and/or longer battery life. Do you think that will happen?
 
They can code to the metal now using Vulkan since Tegra supports Vulkan. I wish Carmack was still at ID software .. he would have made it a point of focus to put doom 2016 on the Switch lol.
 
tkscz said:
The Xbone uses a Jaguar x86 processor, 8-core. The Jaguar is a mess of a CPU. Slow, processes badly, and all around mess from AMD (and I LIKE their processors). It was a big complaint about this (and the PS4) when their specs were announced. A good enough ARM process could be faster and more stable than the Jaguar, but we don't know the actually CPU in the Switch.
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Thank you. 😉
 
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