ahkdigital
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So Gamestream from my PC to the Switch is a possibility?
Nintendo Switch: Powered by Custom Nvidia Tegra Chip (Official)
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So Gamestream from my PC to the Switch is a possibility?
Schnozberry
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No, that's not going to happen, but it won't be because of technological limitations.
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Jpop
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lol, ah got a laugh out of me today. Thanks.
Ultimately, this is a custom chip which we just don't know how different the SoC will be from the X1 or Parker. The more recent Tegra chipsets were aimed for Android tablets and self-driving cars. A video game console is a totally different profile than the last two therefore demands a different type of performance goals.
This statement is very false in that the minimum of the GPU is 3x from what I hear better than wiiu. Also the cpu in the switch is from what I understand is better than ps4 and xboxone.
Akhe
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Pokemaniac
Member
Already confirmed fake.
My bad then. Also not surprised, gonna remove the pic to avoid further confusion. Thanks
ShadowFox08
Member
That's all I could find on the internet. But I could have sworn we've been getting developer leak sources regularly from past leaks that it was easy to develop on neogaf.
But anyway, its pretty much unofficially confirmed that the architecture of the CPU is a lot easier to use and port than Wii U's.
Thanks. That's pretty awesome for the devs that want to take the time to implement them. So would I be correct in guessing that if a dev is doing a PC port of a game and will allow Nvidia exclusive features, it shouldn't be too hard to turn on features that Switch is capable of if they wanted to, or is it more complicated than that? Either way, it would be nice for the Switch to have certain advantages in comparison to the other two consoles.
The top performing GeForce cards architecture is Pascal, I honestly see no other way of interpreting that
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
That is a bad port. Doom 3 on shield tv runs much better on xbox 360/ps3. The x1 is more powerful than the xbox 360 and ps3 but very few developers to optimize that power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je7-Ot4zyf0
If it was that picture that Laura said was fake idk. It was out before the reveal and it's very close to the final hardware. It's a much better fake than the 3D printed one if it's indeed fake.
Are there any newer games that run better than 360 versions? By which I mean a game not originally created in 2003 with upgrades. Every time this comes up everyone is quick to mention DOOM 3 BFG Edition but nothing else.
Trine
Trine 2 runs better than the Wii U version even.
HL2 and Portal also run better on Shield TV although they have frame pacing issues.
I asked Nvidia for clarification on the statements made on the blog - specifically if they could clarify whether that mention of the architecture meant Maxwell or Pascal. As expected, they said they had nothing to share beyond the blog at this time.
Does the shield tv support Vulcan? If it doesn't the performance of the shield tv is significantly limited by Android compared to the API in the switch. I feel like it's hard to predict the real world performance of the switch until we see games running on it.
Yes, it does. If this Wiki page with the list of games with Vulkan support is up to date, most of the games that can utilize the API are not multiplatform and there are smaller than a handful of Android games with Vulkan support. I'm sure the Shield TV is the best little Need for Speed: No Limits box there is at the moment, though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_Vulkan_support
Then I guess the new doom is a good comparison game.
OrbitalBeard
Member
I'm fairly certain Nvidia knew what they were signing up for when they partnered with Nintendo.
Neoleo2143
Member
I don't think they minded, get got what they were looking for and its a way to get their mobile chipsets potentially into a bigger audience plus connecting with Nintendo's hardware could benefit both companies with a stream of high class hardware and sales. It could potentially be a great win for both companies if Switch pans out well. Not only that, because Nintendo optimizes to hell and back, they'll also make for superb showcases of Nvidia's hardware.
Nintendo getting PC related tools is pretty awesome too. If they ever go third party, their relationship with Nvidia assuming it remains good, could make for a smooth transition to the PC platform where Nvidia has a solid influence on.
There should be devs that will leak the specs for us with regards to the final dev kit. Just like how the Wii U specs were leaked with the 1.2GHz CPU and 400MHz GPU before that changed from complaints of it being slow.
ShadowFox08
Member
NDA of course.
Oh I am sure they are more than fine hehe. I just wonder if they are looking forward to finally being able to talk about it more once the NDA lifts. I sure would be anxious to do some preening. I think the partnership is amazing on paper for sure.
That's true. It will be interesting for sure. I just wanna see what Nintendo does with this kind of cutting-edge tech. Never can tell with them.
Did the rumoured dev kit that was 500tflps (Edit: whoops meant gflps) turn out to be plausible? Because that seems like a pretty good power window for the switch.
It should be able to play most 3rd parties in crosshatched 1080p. While first party games will likely be native. (If the WiiU can run some games at 1080p the switch should do it comfortably
It should be able to play most 3rd parties in crosshatched 1080p. While first party games will likely be native. (If the WiiU can run some games at 1080p the switch should do it comfortably
Why can't Nintendo going third party just die. I never understand this obsession with Nintendo going third party. Do you even think any other manufacturer would have had even considered doing what the Switch is attempting to do?
Blackpuppy
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IBM has not invested a whole lot into POWER PC outside of the server business. Old Apple fans might remember waiting for the G5 PowerBooks before Apple got sick of waiting for low wattage, high performing chips and switched to Intel.
Unfortunately, Power is a dead end platform right now. The biggest advances in CPU technology are happening on ARM. So Nintendo are definitely riding the waves of the mobile revolution.
Neoleo2143
Member
Jeez. There's a specific reason I keep saying PC is best platform for them if they were ever to third party. They get to keep all the margins without royalties and no one will annoyingly whine about their games being restricted by hardware.
Look, I want Nintendo to succeed financially, their set up is fantastic for creating internal developer trust. Especially their staunch refusal to let go employees after a project doesn't sell the greatest. That's key to a creative environment. And I want the industry to flourish creatively as much as it does financially.
Yeah, as nice as it would be I think Gamestream runs entirely counter to Nintendo's interest. I mean, the only reason they are still in the hardware game is to control a platform.
Going to NX Gamer to learn about "technical stuff" is like going to church to learn about the origin of man.
So in the beginning the NX was without form....
AcademicSaucer
Member
If Nintendo ever goes third party and starts developing games for PC don't expect a code with your graphics card or they using hairworks. They will be making games that can run on a toaster with locked framerate, no cool features for high end cards, bare minimum settings.
Just thinking off of the top of my head:
If Nintendo went third party on PC, Nintendo wouldn't target Nvidia cards if they wanted to reach the widest possible audience. They would have to design their games around Intel Integrated Graphics.- No more unique control methods. No more Wii Remotes. No option like Joy-Cons (Or they would second fiddle to more traditional inputs such as Keyboards, Mouse and Xbox 360 controller)
- Pokemon Online would be basically be hackermon vs hackermon.
- Good luck gathering families around to PC to play Mario Party PC edition.
Neoleo2143
Member
So Blizzard eventually and Platinum at first. I think Nintendo would eventually learn to adapt. But it would be the best platform for them financially which means the best platform for them creatively outside their own hardware.
One issue here. Japan doesn't play anything on PC and Japan is a big part of Nintendo's audience.
Locuza
Member
You could roughly see it in that way but I think there is no one out there who could precisely estimate which ratio will be likely and at which given timeframe.
Neoleo2143
Member
Ah, Touche. However, if Switch doesn't Pan out because the Handhelds niche died, I still think PC is still probably the best choice if they were to be exclusive (I think that's unlikely in this hypothetical but whatever) because of the margins and lack of royalties.
Nintendo would never go third party because they are always thinking of the long game. If they were using sony or microsoft hardware, and then they pulled out of the games business next week, bam! Nintendo is pretty screwed. As soon as they pull out of the hardware game it would be nigh impossible to get back in.
If they went PC,... I guess they can be assured there will always be pc's, but then you have the problem where there arent that many pcs hooked up to tvs, which is their wheelhouse. It just doesnt make sense at all.
They have been around for a very very long time and are very good at knowing what to do to ensure they stick around
Edit: Also, I think even if switch fails, they will still be fine. They are sitting on enough cash to survive for quite a while on middling sales. If the console AFTER switch fails.... I dunno
(I dont think switch will fail, looks amazing, please dont ruin it Nintendo lol)
If they went PC,... I guess they can be assured there will always be pc's, but then you have the problem where there arent that many pcs hooked up to tvs, which is their wheelhouse. It just doesnt make sense at all.
They have been around for a very very long time and are very good at knowing what to do to ensure they stick around
Edit: Also, I think even if switch fails, they will still be fine. They are sitting on enough cash to survive for quite a while on middling sales. If the console AFTER switch fails.... I dunno
(I dont think switch will fail, looks amazing, please dont ruin it Nintendo lol)
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I doubt that the performance of the whole CPU block matches the performance you can get out of the 8 cores on PS4 and Xbox One let alone th upclocked PS4 Pro version of the CPU block. Is each core on NX potentially more performant on a per clock cycle basis? Possibly, likely even. is it likely for NX to have enough cores at at high enough speed to overcome the sheer difference in core count (unless you want a gulf of performance, big frame rate and visual loss, when switching to handheld mode)? No, I do not believe it is likely they went completely against the industry commons CPU - GPU balancing.
Do you even think while writing stuff like that? The only platform you can be sure Nintendo will give good or even any support at all if they go third-party is smartphones/tablets, with unsurprisingly PC coming in at last place.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
8 months before launch does not mean much when you're launching your product on a fresh out-of-the-oven fabnode with extremely limited production facilities. The wide adoptions of 28nm and of 16nm have been quite different so far, one cannot just equate the two.
Ok, I double-checked what Pascal chips do fp16 at double rate and contrary to my original expectations it turns out that only GP100 does that. So NV would have had to use a virtual unicorn of a chip to do those devkits as you suggest. Assuming GP100 could downscale to sub-GPC levels (10x SM of 64 cores per GPC) and it would work in a pci-e x4, which is what the Jetson TX1 has. As I said, you're making some very bold conjectures:
1) early devkits have to be representative of the target performance to the t's - that hasn't been the case for many early devkits.
2) nintendo would deem 25GB/s of cumulative BW viable for NS - wiiU has between 2x and 3x that, for virtually the same target resolutions. I cannot even begin to describe the implications for "up-ports".
Night Angel
Member
Are we back to this thing being as powerful as an XB1 again?
Nah, man. Not gonna happen. Not at that form factor, not at a reasonable price, not with any reasonable amount of battery life or heart generation. Nah.
And my thoughts on "docked mode": it's gonna charge the console and output to the TV. The most I could see happening performance-wise would be a minor uprez, but they're not gonna have the thing swing by 50% performance between docked and portable.
And if an "insider" says something that sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't.
Nah, man. Not gonna happen. Not at that form factor, not at a reasonable price, not with any reasonable amount of battery life or heart generation. Nah.
And my thoughts on "docked mode": it's gonna charge the console and output to the TV. The most I could see happening performance-wise would be a minor uprez, but they're not gonna have the thing swing by 50% performance between docked and portable.
And if an "insider" says something that sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't.
Only if you assume the PS4 UE4 demo is actually representative of all PS4 titles.
It's a tech demo after all. Here's a quick comparison of the X1 UE4 demo compared to the UE4 demo running on PS4. Pretty impressive for a mobile chip.
Without issues does not mean identical. It just means that the games can run reasonably well without having to jump through hoops to port them.
That is quite shitty compression on the Tegra side, looks like recorded off screen.
To be honest, I'm expecting something like a Tegra X1 in power but with the benefits of consumption from Tegra X2 and some other special customisations that Nintendo requested.
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