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[Mozza]

What free pass lol, Switch 2 was getting shitted on more than any console I've seen on here. There were days where half the threads on GAF were Nintendo doomed. So many people complaining about the prices it was crazy, they definitely did not get a free pass on GAF lmao.

I think they want to see this reflected in sales........ Which will not happen.

 

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I think they want to see this reflected in sales........ Which will not happen.

Ahh, okay I get it yeah that's never gonna happen then. Switch 2 will sell better than its predecessor and the big first party games even at 80-90$ are gonna sell tens of millions of units. Outside of a small vocal minority, nobody cares about any of this. If the game is good and carries on socials it's gonna sell.

 

[Mozza]

Ahh, okay I get it yeah that's never gonna happen then. Switch 2 will sell better than its predecessor and the big first party games even at 80-90$ are gonna sell tens of millions of units. Outside of a small vocal minority, nobody cares about any of this. If the game is good and carries on socials it's gonna sell.

You said it. If you do not feel this is anything but niche minorities ranting then I am not sure what to tell you. How many times do you need to see the faux outrage and storms in teacups on a certain game. That is being discussed on forums and YouTube hinting at mass boycot's etc.... Only to see the game sell as if nothing was being discussed in the first place. I can think of example after example..........

 

[Mozza]

Ahh, okay I get it yeah that's never gonna happen then. Switch 2 will sell better than its predecessor and the big first party games even at 80-90$ are gonna sell tens of millions of units. Outside of a small vocal minority, nobody cares about any of this. If the game is good and carries on socials it's gonna sell.

Gaming forums are filled with graphic and framerate obsessives that are notoriously hard to please. Nothing wrong with that as long as you realize the mass majority of consumers are not as bothered with such things.

 

[nial]

My favorite example of this is the fact that no one seems to give a fuck about Nintendo censoring/blocking niche JP games, in comparison to the legendary outrage when Sony did it first. Heck, even Valve got way more pushback for their BS.

 

[Vaquilla]

If anything Nintendo seem to get hated on non-stop by terminally online folks despite being wildly successful among the wider population.

 

[existensmaximum]

Companies that make amazing games and successful games get away with more. Who would've known.

 

[Ar¢tos]

What free pass lol, Switch 2 was getting shitted on more than any console I've seen on here. There were days where half the threads on GAF were Nintendo doomed. So many people complaining about the prices it was crazy, they definitely did not get a free pass on GAF lmao.

More than Xbox One? No way!
The TV TV Sports is still funny today.

 

[BlackTron]

I think they want to see this reflected in sales........ Which will not happen.

Luckily for them, Switch 2 sales hit a week-over-week slump in markets where shelves are bare. Their campaign must have worked!

 

[PaintTinJr]

I think the subtle difference with Nintendo getting a "free pass" is that the market rarely boxes them in a corner to tell them to back down.

PlayStation and Xbox frequently get their Concord moments, at best Nintendo have a failed console to force a course correction - which no longer seems to happen now that they have merged home and handheld console markets.

They get called out plenty, but just let the apathetic majority carry them beyond the issues.

I still suspect SW2 will only capture 1/2 or 1/3 of the previous SW1 market, but even if that happened they still won't change their practices IMO.

 

[Vaquilla]

I still suspect SW2 will only capture 1/2 or 1/3 of the previous SW1 market, but even if that happened they still won't change their practices IMO.

Thinking Switch 2 will only sell like 50-75 million lifetime is a pretty wild take at this point.

That kind of decline only happens when a company fucks up massively, and Nintendo haven't.
Heck, even the decline from the 360 to the XBO wasn't that steep, in spite of how badly MS screwed the pooch that gen.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Thinking Switch 2 will only sell like 50-75 million lifetime is a pretty wild take at this point.

That kind of decline only happens when a company fucks up massively, and Nintendo haven't.
Heck, even the decline from the 360 to the XBO wasn't that steep, in spite of how badly MS screwed the pooch that gen.

Not really, I just don't see a lot of those families that bought SW1 in the last 4 years upgrading when the economics and age of those consumers is moving away from Nintendo, and many of us original Nintendo consumers aren't convinced with any game output in the post Miyamoto/Iwata-san era to feel a need to get a hybrid when they wanted a new dedicated Nintendo home console with better games.

I'm counting on 2/3rd's of the apathy Nintendo saw from Wii consumers going into the next-gen combined with economic pressure stopping Nintendo reaching a good enough price with SW2.

 

[Vaquilla]

Not really, I just don't see a lot of those families that bought SW1 in the last 4 years upgrading when the economics and age of those consumers is moving away from Nintendo, and many of us original Nintendo consumers aren't convinced with any game output in the post Miyamoto/Iwata-san era to feel a need to get a hybrid when they wanted a new dedicated Nintendo home console with better games.

I'm counting on 2/3rd's of the apathy Nintendo saw from Wii consumers going into the next-gen combined with economic pressure stopping Nintendo reaching a good enough price with SW2.

There's no evidence that consumers are "moving away" from Nintendo. Economics haven't stopped people buying $500 consoles, and the Switch's success shows the market values Nintendo hybrids just as much as home consoles if not more.

There's no parallel at all with the Wii-Wii U transition either, as consumer engagement with Switch 1 has remained strong and Switch 2 hasn't made any major missteps like Wii U did.

 

[PaintTinJr]

There's no evidence that consumers are "moving away" from Nintendo. Economics haven't stopped people buying $500 consoles, and the Switch's success shows the market values Nintendo hybrids just as much as home consoles if not more.

There's no parallel at all with the Wii-Wii U transition either, as consumer engagement with Switch 1 has remained strong and Switch 2 hasn't made any major missteps like Wii U did.

I was meaning that a lot of late SW1 buyers will be of younger kids that will have migrated to wanting PlayStation by the time they'd be ready to upgrade, and economics of the hardware that is sitting in the GB, GBA, DS, 3DS slot that isn't reaching those mainstream prices could cap the target market IMO.

The hardware is already dated, and that situation is only going to become a worse comparison against PS5/Xbox as we get further from launch.

The point about the Wii was that the console saturated its market, much like I believe SW1 has, and outside the Nintendo handheld core (50m-70m) and core gamers wanting to have all devices I can't think of how the SW2 differentiates itself from SW1 in the casual market that made up a lot of those Wii and SW1 sales.

 

[Vaquilla]

I was meaning that a lot of late SW1 buyers will be of younger kids that will have migrated to wanting PlayStation by the time they'd be ready to upgrade, and economics of the hardware that is sitting in the GB, GBA, DS, 3DS slot that isn't reaching those mainstream prices could cap the target market IMO.

The hardware is already dated, and that situation is only going to become a worse comparison against PS5/Xbox as we get further from launch.

The point about the Wii was that the console saturated its market, much like I believe SW1 has, and outside the Nintendo handheld core (50m-70m) and core gamers wanting to have all devices I can't think of how the SW2 differentiates itself from SW1 in the casual market that made up a lot of those Wii and SW1 sales.

Do you have any data to suggest that a lot of Switch owners will migrate to PS as they age, or is that just based on stereotypes?

People in 2017 claimed the Switch 1 wouldn't sell well because of it was less powerful than the competition, now it's one of the highest selling systems of all time, the mass market doesn't care about high end graphics as much as enthusiasts do.

Again, the Wii and Switch situations are nothing alike as audience engagement with Switch remained strong until its replacement, and Switch 2 hasn't done anything to lose a large share of its audience.

 

[Ceadeus]

I NEVER ever get enough of this GIF. It's always there when it count.

 

[Boo Who?]

Not really, I just don't see a lot of those families that bought SW1 in the last 4 years upgrading when the economics and age of those consumers is moving away from Nintendo, and many of us original Nintendo consumers aren't convinced with any game output in the post Miyamoto/Iwata-san era to feel a need to get a hybrid when they wanted a new dedicated Nintendo home console with better games.

I'm counting on 2/3rd's of the apathy Nintendo saw from Wii consumers going into the next-gen combined with economic pressure stopping Nintendo reaching a good enough price with SW2.

Alex, I'll take "Who I would not want managing my portfolio" for a thousand.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Do you have any data to suggest that a lot of Switch owners will migrate to PS as they age, or is that just based on stereotypes?

People in 2017 claimed the Switch 1 wouldn't sell well because of it was less powerful than the competition, now it's one of the highest selling systems of all time, the mass market doesn't care about high end graphics as much as enthusiasts do.

Again, the Wii and Switch situations are nothing alike as audience engagement with Switch remained strong until its replacement, and Switch 2 hasn't done anything to lose a large share of its audience.

I was sure it was shown/mentioned on here in the last 4years - possibly in a US tech survey or in some of the acquisition threads - but co-pilot can't seem to find public data, and can only say that the: starts with Nintendo, moves to PlayStation/Xbox and returns to Nintendo is mentioned in blogs, so could be held in non-public data where age segment analysis has been done.

They did have access to data that partially supported the theory by console preference first by age being skewed to Nintendo in younger years and becomes more balanced through tween/teenage years, but with no follow up of preference, only a trend of losing gamers around 35years.

But even without data this is just my feeling as I said originally, maybe the early adopter momentum just won't stop like with Wii and SW1 as you said, but I'm not seeing that anecdotally even from my Nintendo fan friends, more like a 25% earlier adopter intention to buy.

The point I was trying to make about Wii and potentially SW1 is that the Rubik's Magic didn't sell like the Rubik's cube because of consumer apathy to having scratched that puzzle itch IMO.

 

[Vaquilla]

I was sure it was shown/mentioned on here in the last 4years - possibly in a US tech survey or in some of the acquisition threads - but co-pilot can't seem to find public data, and can only say that the: starts with Nintendo, moves to PlayStation/Xbox and returns to Nintendo is mentioned in blogs, so could be held in non-public data where age segment analysis has been done.

They did have access to data that partially supported the theory by console preference first by age being skewed to Nintendo in younger years and becomes more balanced through tween/teenage years, but with no follow up of preference, only a trend of losing gamers around 35years.

But even without data this is just my feeling as I said originally, maybe the early adopter momentum just won't stop like with Wii and SW1 as you said, but I'm not seeing that anecdotally even from my Nintendo fan friends, more like a 25% earlier adopter intention to buy.

The point I was trying to make about Wii and potentially SW1 is that the Rubik's Magic didn't sell like the Rubik's cube because of consumer apathy to having scratched that puzzle itch IMO.

When Nintendo have shared data on the matter, the majority of Switch owners have been adults. If people generally "aged out" of Nintendo then their hardware wouldn't be outselling the competition as it is, as people have fewer kids now compared to say last century, and kids only make up like a quarter or less of the population.

The thing with anecdotal evidence is it can be misleading; personally I knew way more people who owned an original Xbox than a PS2 for instance, yet globally it sold like 1/6th as much.

So far, there's no reason why people who bought a Switch 1 for games like Mario Kart 8, BOTW, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, etc wouldn't buy a Switch 2 for Mario Kart World (they already are) the next Zelda, next Animal Crossing, next Splatoon, etc. Unlike with the Wii, that userbase has remained healthy, active, and engaged on Switch 1, and they're already transitioning to Switch 2 at a record pace.