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[BlackTron]

Nintendo is insultingly egregious in its anti-consumerism, but the hard fact is that gaming companies suck period. It's 2025 and many people still don't seem to get that.

I am a PlayStation only gamer. Sony is not my friend. Sony is not my ally. Sony is not looking out for my best interests. Neither is Nintendo, Xbox, Valve, Google, Apple, Epic, or anyone else I failed to mention. To these entities, we are resources to be harvested and disposed of. Anyone who is walking around with a brand loyalty mentality thinking that they have some kind of special relationship with their monolithic corporate overlord is not living in reality. They have crossed into that space where they have made a corporate brand their identity.

I game on PlayStation because I like their hardware, their software, their ecosystem, and it all fits well into my playstyle. Like any corporation, sometimes Sony makes moves that I am not a fan of, or outright disagree with. Because they're a massive corporation whose goal is to make as much money as possible. This silly narrative that some companies are heroes and others are villains is ludicrous. They're all villains.

Nintendo's largest problem in this capacity is that their greed and entitlement is sometimes so profound that they allow the mask to slip and show the entire world how little they care about gamers and emphasize that we are just walking piggy banks to be gobbled up.

There will always be a subset of people on any platform who will follow it into the fires of hell, cheering on the worst and most anti-consumer of decisions because that corporation they've chosen to sell their soul to can do no wrong in their eyes. It's a very sad, childish state of mind but these people will always be there to carry the proverbial flag no mater how ill-treated by their masters they are.

You aren't wrong, the thing about Nintendo is that in pursuit of that blatant greed, they have chosen the tactic of making fun, quality games people want to play by retaining talent and taking care of their workforce well. So, we deal with their bullshit sometimes because we approve of their methods, want the game, and IMO, want to support those methods. That is why I have no issue paying full price for a new N game, it's usually actually completed, a good game, on-cart, and the people who helped make it move on to make the next game with more experience together instead of being moved or fired, which is good for me, someone who wants more good games.

Of course the end result is their bank account adding up, and they let slip that obvious reality with decisions like the laughable $10 welcome tour or paid upgrades. But like you explained about Playstation no one is going to base how badly they want to relax playing a game by adding up all the "anti-consumer decisions" of that company. They're my "friend" only in the sense that as long as we continue this cynical business relationship, they continue to develop games how I like to see.

 

[LakeOf9]

It's funny how Nintendo is and sells only for kids and also sells based on nostalgia. How come?

Says who?

Well, unlike Nintendo fans, I'll be the first to criticize Sony even if I've been on Playstation since the 1st.
Now, if you like playing Mario kart 37, good for you.

Can you list the 37 Mario Kart games? Thanks

 

[cireza]

You know who else gets a Pass?

Xbox.

and now one says anything.

 

[AREYOUOKAY?]

Well, unlike Nintendo fans, I'll be the first to criticize Sony even if I've been on Playstation since the 1st.
Now, if you like playing Mario kart 37, good for you.

Man discovers video games are old and have multiple sequels or reboots over the years depending on how successful they are. News at 11.

If Little Big Karting managed to even get to a million sales I'm sure they would have tried their best to milk it's udder dry on just one system to be their Mario Kart. Then again this old picture shows that Sony can barely get anything out these days.

 

[Kataploom]

It's 2025, it's unacceptable having to pay for online at all

You don't have to, but if you're playing on consoles it's not "unacceptable" because that's the standard for ALL of them, it's quite literally the norm and very very acceptable

 

[PurePlatinum]

I wouldn't describe it as a pass...it's completely transactional. With Nintendo you put up with some bullshit that nobody else would get away with, but in return you get 1st party games that are lightyears ahead of what anybody else is capable of doing.

 

[Kataploom]

Not from me Didn't buy andy if their products this year, fuck 'em.

Sadly

(tbh that makes more fun of the ordinary people than youtube nintendo farmers)

This is something I criticized a lot during the Switch 2 Direct misinformation and rage bait days... Many of those MF bitching about Switch 2 and sharing fake news and overreacting to them and then when preorders opened they were all like "OMG it was so difficult but finally got my preorder!!" and so... Really I started blocking and silencing youtubers on social media and YouTube because I knew that was gonna be the case, just rage bait in order to get clicks, like mf are constantly starving or whatever

 

[onnextflix5]

yeh don't forget vrr and hdr is broken on system, they are a joke,

 

[Lokaum D+]

You don't have to, but if you're playing on consoles it's not "unacceptable" because that's the standard for ALL of them, it's quite literally the norm and very very acceptable

Lol, that is the way of thinking that ll kill games, its standard cause console users ( me included ) likes to eat shit quiet, the moment console users riot and stop paying for bs, companies ll stop selling bs, but this ll never happen since fomo is a real thing and ppl just find bad pratices "the norm" and "acceptable", this shit would never flies on PC and you know why ? Cause PC players wont let them do It.

Companies just bought we by giving us a u$2 game for free every month while charging us u$10 for online services.

 

[justiceiro]

I wonder if this thread is a social experiment to see when people will realize the title is spelled incorrectly...

 

[Kataploom]

Lol, that is the way of thinking that ll kill games, its standard cause console users ( me included ) likes to eat shit quiet, the moment console users riot and stop paying for bs, companies ll stop selling bs, but this ll never happen since fomo is a real thing and ppl just find bad pratices "the norm" and "acceptable", this shit would never flies on PC and you know why ? Cause PC players wont let them do It.

Companies just bought we by giving us a u$2 game for free every month while charging us u$10 for online services.

Make the difference, stop paying and move on from consoles for online gaming

 

[Lokaum D+]

Make the difference, stop paying and move on from consoles for online gaming

i Did, 99% of my gaming is on PC

 

[LakeOf9]

I wonder if this thread is a social experiment to see when people will realize the title is spelled incorrectly...

I feel like we all knew this from the get go?

 

[Kataploom]

I wonder if this thread is a social experiment to see when people will realize the title is spelled incorrectly...

I realized but we're too used to GigaBowser to care now

i Did, 99% of my gaming is on PC

Lol, that is the way of thinking that ll kill games, its standard cause console users ( me included ) likes to eat shit quiet, the moment console users riot and stop paying for bs, companies ll stop selling bs, but this ll never happen since fomo is a real thing and ppl just find bad pratices "the norm" and "acceptable", this shit would never flies on PC and you know why ? Cause PC players wont let them do It.

Companies just bought we by giving us a u$2 game for free every month while charging us u$10 for online services.

 

[Lokaum D+]

I realized but we're too used to GigaBowser to care now

are you dumb or just like to pretend ? you know that me playing on PC 99% of the time nowadays doesn't make my years of paying for online services disappears right ?? thats why i ll include me as part of the problem too.

 

[Kataploom]

are you dumb or just like to pretend ? you know that me playing on PC 99% of the time nowadays doesn't make my years of paying for online services disappears right ?? thats why i ll include me as part of the problem too.

Oh ok ok that makes more sense lol

 

[GigaBowser]

GigaBowser

he saved gaming they said

 

[The_Mike]

You don't have to, but if you're playing on consoles it's not "unacceptable" because that's the standard for ALL of them, it's quite literally the norm and very very acceptable

And yet, it should be unacceptable.

It is because console players dont really have an alternative, they are forced to pay.

 

[MSduderino]

And yet, it should be unacceptable.

It is because console players dont really have an alternative, they are forced to pay.

This thread is targeting nintendo being different than Sony/MS, so it comes off as selective when you complain about Nintendo making you pay for online when the others do too (at more expensive as well).

 

[darrylgorn]

It's even worse when you find out how much less Japanese people are paying for Switch 2 stuff. Like paying 20 US dollars less for Mario Kart World and $340 for the system.

Hm.. I wonder why..

 

[Hero_Select]

You aren't wrong, the thing about Nintendo is that in pursuit of that blatant greed, they have chosen the tactic of making fun, quality games people want to play by retaining talent and taking care of their workforce well. So, we deal with their bullshit sometimes because we approve of their methods, want the game, and IMO, want to support those methods. That is why I have no issue paying full price for a new N game, it's usually actually completed, a good game, on-cart, and the people who helped make it move on to make the next game with more experience together instead of being moved or fired, which is good for me, someone who wants more good games.

Of course the end result is their bank account adding up, and they let slip that obvious reality with decisions like the laughable $10 welcome tour or paid upgrades. But like you explained about Playstation no one is going to base how badly they want to relax playing a game by adding up all the "anti-consumer decisions" of that company. They're my "friend" only in the sense that as long as we continue this cynical business relationship, they continue to develop games how I like to see.

It also helps that for the most part, while every publisher is releasing full priced game filled with micro transactions - Nintendo releases full and extremely polished games. They get their marketing for a bit and then they move on and I think they have a really solid release cadence filled with variety.

Mario Kart at launch
DK Bananza now
Metroid Prime 4 later
Pokemon around November

 

[Closer]

Says who?

"Us".

they cater to kids, and kids dont give a shit about any of that.

Because nostalgia works.

As long as Nintendo keeps giving those nostalgic feelings to their fans, they will keep consuming whatever Nintendo does no matter the issues.

Nintendo is the king of that, Sony has a bit and MS has none.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

when you put out games as good as DK you can get away with murder as far as I'm concerned

 

[RoboFu]

Because nostalgia works.

As long as Nintendo keeps giving those nostalgic feelings to their fans, they will keep consuming whatever Nintendo does no matter the issues.

Nintendo is the king of that, Sony has a bit and MS has none.

lol I love this one. its not super awesome fun gameplay again and again and again and again... its just nostalgia. thats all.


... even though Nintendo is "just for kids" at the same time. not sure how it all fits together.

 

[LakeOf9]

"Us".

Yeah I can't help folks with bad opinions thee lol, sorry

 

[MacReady13]

I love Nintendo but hate some of the shit they do...

I'd FAR prefer they focused on a powerful over a handheld/console hybrid. I'd rather play Nintendo games with the power of a PS5 as opposed to the power of a Series S or PS4...

I LOATHE the fact the older games are tied to a shitty sub service. Let us buy the fucking games we want so they are with us even if I'm not on their sub service/online service.

Yet at the end of the day, games to me are what I buy consoles/PC's for, and no one makes games like Nintendo. I have the confidence that their 1st party games are best in class (and they are), they focus on gameplay and release games complete without the need to release patches to fix games down the track. And they've been like this for well over 40 years. No one makes games as good as Nintendo, and no one ever will.

 

[ResilientBanana]

1. NSO is only $19.99 a year?

2. Dongle licensing is account agnostic and thus better than all digital like the PC has?

3. Dude, the Switch 2 ended up more powerful than almost anyone predicted as evidenced by many polls and threads where we discussed it being as powerful as the PS4, dlss did work and it actually ended up a lot stronger than expected, especially docked.

4. Other companies ARE doing their own shit and worse and we do talk about it all the time, but you know what, Nintendo takes more shit than anyone so I don't know what you are talking about?

Remember to twist your wrist a bit while you suck.

 

[Lord Malachite]

You aren't wrong, the thing about Nintendo is that in pursuit of that blatant greed, they have chosen the tactic of making fun, quality games people want to play by retaining talent and taking care of their workforce well. So, we deal with their bullshit sometimes because we approve of their methods, want the game, and IMO, want to support those methods. That is why I have no issue paying full price for a new N game, it's usually actually completed, a good game, on-cart, and the people who helped make it move on to make the next game with more experience together instead of being moved or fired, which is good for me, someone who wants more good games.

Of course the end result is their bank account adding up, and they let slip that obvious reality with decisions like the laughable $10 welcome tour or paid upgrades. But like you explained about Playstation no one is going to base how badly they want to relax playing a game by adding up all the "anti-consumer decisions" of that company. They're my "friend" only in the sense that as long as we continue this cynical business relationship, they continue to develop games how I like to see.

Speaking specifically about Nintendo, their greatest sin is over valuation of their products. Nintendo does not bring down the cost of their games over time. They still believe an eight year old game is worth $60 and shouldn't include said game's DLC unless you pay extra. They have pushed the pricing of accessories to absurdity. We've too long been living in an era where a single new controller for a console costs 20 to 25% of the price of the console itself. I'm not speaking of spcialty, high end controllers like the Xbox Elite or the DualSense Edge, but just the basic pack in style controllers that come with the system. Everything Nintendo is releasing costs more money this generation, and most of it adds little to no value for the price hike.

It's true that inflation has had an effect on the gaming space just like every other industry. But there is something inherently wrong when Xbox and Nintendo are raising the prices on hardware, software, and periphereals at the same time that PlayStation was temporarily lowering them and when the sale ended the MSRPs did not increase over what they were before.

Referring back to my first post, no, this is NOT "heroic" action on Sony's part. It was a business decision to make themselves look good while their direct competitors made themselves look greedy. It is extremely likely that Sony will follow suit on these price hikes in the future. Because Nintendo and Xbox are teaching the market to bear these higher prices. And if the market will bear them, Sony then undervalues their product and will be leaving a lot of money on the table. I don't see Sony just walking away from all the cash saying "nah we're good". They may not need to raise prices. But they will. It's in their best interest to screw their consumers and take the money. Everyone else is doing it and getting away with it. I'm sure Sony will put out some kind of statement about how they did everything they could to stem the tide and keep prices down as long as possible but they just can't fight the undertow and these price hikes are necessary to secure the future blah blah blah. They'll probably even get applause for being the last holdout. They're still not being heroic.

Nintendo may make games that many people enjoy and that's fine. But those games are tremendously overvalued over time in ways that keep me from being willing to spend my money with them. I don't believe that games that are a decade old are worth the asking price they launched at. It doesn't matter who made them. These games should cost significantly less at that juncture. Nintendo vehemently disagrees. And that is why they find my wallet firmly shut whenever they launch their latest product. I don't believe that they provide a good value to the consumer. Obviously, their business model works for plenty of other gamers and that's fine for them. For me, they're a complete non-starter. A game that is exclusive to Nintendo to me is like being exclusive to a Game.com. I'm never going to play it short of a port. But hey, that's just me.

 

[tr1p1ex]

Speaking specifically about Nintendo, their greatest sin is over valuation of their products. Nintendo does not bring down the cost of their games over time. They still believe an eight year old game is worth $60 and shouldn't include said game's DLC unless you pay extra. They have pushed the pricing of accessories to absurdity. We've too long been living in an era where a single new controller for a console costs 20 to 25% of the price of the console itself. I'm not speaking of spcialty, high end controllers like the Xbox Elite or the DualSense Edge, but just the basic pack in style controllers that come with the system. Everything Nintendo is releasing costs more money this generation, and most of it adds little to no value for the price hike.

It's true that inflation has had an effect on the gaming space just like every other industry. But there is something inherently wrong when Xbox and Nintendo are raising the prices on hardware, software, and periphereals at the same time that PlayStation was temporarily lowering them and when the sale ended the MSRPs did not increase over what they were before.

Referring back to my first post, no, this is NOT "heroic" action on Sony's part. It was a business decision to make themselves look good while their direct competitors made themselves look greedy. It is extremely likely that Sony will follow suit on these price hikes in the future. Because Nintendo and Xbox are teaching the market to bear these higher prices. And if the market will bear them, Sony then undervalues their product and will be leaving a lot of money on the table. I don't see Sony just walking away from all the cash saying "nah we're good". They may not need to raise prices. But they will. It's in their best interest to screw their consumers and take the money. Everyone else is doing it and getting away with it. I'm sure Sony will put out some kind of statement about how they did everything they could to stem the tide and keep prices down as long as possible but they just can't fight the undertow and these price hikes are necessary to secure the future blah blah blah. They'll probably even get applause for being the last holdout. They're still not being heroic.

Nintendo may make games that many people enjoy and that's fine. But those games are tremendously overvalued over time in ways that keep me from being willing to spend my money with them. I don't believe that games that are a decade old are worth the asking price they launched at. It doesn't matter who made them. These games should cost significantly less at that juncture. Nintendo vehemently disagrees. And that is why they find my wallet firmly shut whenever they launch their latest product. I don't believe that they provide a good value to the consumer. Obviously, their business model works for plenty of other gamers and that's fine for them. For me, they're a complete non-starter. A game that is exclusive to Nintendo to me is like being exclusive to a Game.com. I'm never going to play it short of a port. But hey, that's just me.

That's very short sighted. Nintendo games went on sale all the time for $40 last gen. $30 even happened if you paid a lot of attention to deals. Nintendo themselves had Game Vouchers aka 2 for $99. Combine that with eshop cards being easy to get 10% off every day at some places and 20% off once maybe twice a year usually at xmas...and the price is even cheaper.

Then you completely overlooked resale value for physical at least. It's very high for NIntendo games. That helps recoup costs for the games one doesn't keep. It lets you own a game for years and be able to get half your money back if you paid full price.

Sony still sells the PS5 for $500 after nearly 5 years. So inflation is affecting them. The PS5 Pro is $700. Their costs are undoubtedly lower than MSFT because first they sell in much greater volume this gen and second their expertise is in hardware more than the other 2 guys.

Nintendo raised some accessory prices higher due to tariffs. But overall their accessories are in line with everyone else's. Consoles always priced their accessories fairly high. It's part of the business model.

 

[Aion002]

lol I love this one. its not super awesome fun gameplay again and again and again and again... its just nostalgia. thats all.


... even though Nintendo is "just for kids" at the same time. not sure how it all fits together.

That wasn't my point.

I didn't say that Nintendo games are for kids. Just that Nintendo keeps delivering what their consumers want and since Nintendo has been part of most gamers life, they are willing to ignore Nintendo issues.

I mean nostalgic in the sense that Nintendo maintains the quality of their games, so a gamer that enjoyed Mario on the NES, can still have the same enjoyment playing a new Mario game on every new generation.

It's hard to find someone that says that they used to like Nintendo games, but now they hate it. Nintendo fans hardly grow tired of Nintendo games and that's all Nintendo's merit.

Nintendo captivates their consumers with games (not console features) and since for many a Nintendo console is their first contact with games, most don't give a shit about online features and other stuff, as long as Nintendo keeps delivering the games they expect from Nintendo.


I honestly dislike Nintendo games, I never liked them. But as someone that enjoys video games a lot, Nintendo is the most fascinating console/games maker in my opinion, because they're the most unique and successful of them all.

As someone that is locked on the Playstation nostalgic thing, I wish that Sony was more like Nintendo on how they deliver the games their consumers wants.

 

[M.W.]

I dunno, Microsot and Soy sometimes get passes too.

 

[bender]

Speaking specifically about Nintendo, their greatest sin is over valuation of their products. Nintendo does not bring down the cost of their games over time. They still believe an eight year old game is worth $60 and shouldn't include said game's DLC unless you pay extra.

Like it or not, that's smart business as it gives confidence to consumers to purchase their games day one as they'll never be drastically devalued. For the opposite end of the spectrum, look at Ubisoft who offers massive discounts within months of release. That instills confidence in your consumer base to not wait and has knock on benefits like allowing retail to reorder your games as they'll rarely need to clearance them (Super Mario RPG being a recent exception) or resell value. Nintendo sets their sale price floor very high and a lot of the industry has followed suit, just not as aggressively. It's why we all bemoan Steam sales these days as a lot of publishers have figured out the race to the bottom just doesn't make financial sense. It's why we see the same discount rates for Rockstar's back-catalogue or games like Sekiro.

 

[Super Lemon Drop]

ninteno is my frieno

 

[Hero_Select]

I love Nintendo but hate some of the shit they do...

I'd FAR prefer they focused on a powerful over a handheld/console hybrid. I'd rather play Nintendo games with the power of a PS5 as opposed to the power of a Series S or PS4...

I LOATHE the fact the older games are tied to a shitty sub service. Let us buy the fucking games we want so they are with us even if I'm not on their sub service/online service.

Yet at the end of the day, games to me are what I buy consoles/PC's for, and no one makes games like Nintendo. I have the confidence that their 1st party games are best in class (and they are), they focus on gameplay and release games complete without the need to release patches to fix games down the track. And they've been like this for well over 40 years. No one makes games as good as Nintendo, and no one ever will.

The thing that people forget is that Nintendo doesn't have the resources that Sony and Microsoft do. They're massive companies with numerous other divisions. They can afford to sell go all in on powerful hardware and sell consoles at a loss if need be, Nintendo is a gaming company through and through.

Their Hybrid strategy is working wonders and the scaled back hardware allows them to develop games quicker without having to worry about adding hair follicles to faces.

 

[Vaquilla]

Man the haters are not coping well with the Switch 2's success huh

 

[AREYOUOKAY?]

Like it or not, that's smart business as it gives confidence to consumers to purchase their games day one as they'll never be drastically devalued. For the opposite end of the spectrum, look at Ubisoft who offers massive discounts within months of release. That instills confidence in your consumer base to not wait and has knock on benefits like allowing retail to reorder your games as they'll rarely need to clearance them (Super Mario RPG being a recent exception) or resell value. Nintendo sets their sale price floor very high and a lot of the industry has followed suit, just not as aggressively. It's why we all bemoan Steam sales these days as a lot of publishers have figured out the race to the bottom just doesn't make financial sense. It's why we see the same discount rates for Rockstar's back-catalogue or games like Sekiro.

Still waiting on "Game of the Year" Astrobot to get to $20 or $30. Almost getting there though.

 

[BlownUpRich]

Man...everywhere you see it's ragebait these days, has it become the new currency? I feel like people will look for anything bad & highlight it as the big picture nowadays, this thread is a sham.

 

[dDoc]

Nintendo will not get 1 cent from me.

 

[BlackTron]

Speaking specifically about Nintendo, their greatest sin is over valuation of their products. Nintendo does not bring down the cost of their games over time. They still believe an eight year old game is worth $60 and shouldn't include said game's DLC unless you pay extra. They have pushed the pricing of accessories to absurdity. We've too long been living in an era where a single new controller for a console costs 20 to 25% of the price of the console itself. I'm not speaking of spcialty, high end controllers like the Xbox Elite or the DualSense Edge, but just the basic pack in style controllers that come with the system. Everything Nintendo is releasing costs more money this generation, and most of it adds little to no value for the price hike.

It's true that inflation has had an effect on the gaming space just like every other industry. But there is something inherently wrong when Xbox and Nintendo are raising the prices on hardware, software, and periphereals at the same time that PlayStation was temporarily lowering them and when the sale ended the MSRPs did not increase over what they were before.

Referring back to my first post, no, this is NOT "heroic" action on Sony's part. It was a business decision to make themselves look good while their direct competitors made themselves look greedy. It is extremely likely that Sony will follow suit on these price hikes in the future. Because Nintendo and Xbox are teaching the market to bear these higher prices. And if the market will bear them, Sony then undervalues their product and will be leaving a lot of money on the table. I don't see Sony just walking away from all the cash saying "nah we're good". They may not need to raise prices. But they will. It's in their best interest to screw their consumers and take the money. Everyone else is doing it and getting away with it. I'm sure Sony will put out some kind of statement about how they did everything they could to stem the tide and keep prices down as long as possible but they just can't fight the undertow and these price hikes are necessary to secure the future blah blah blah. They'll probably even get applause for being the last holdout. They're still not being heroic.

Nintendo may make games that many people enjoy and that's fine. But those games are tremendously overvalued over time in ways that keep me from being willing to spend my money with them. I don't believe that games that are a decade old are worth the asking price they launched at. It doesn't matter who made them. These games should cost significantly less at that juncture. Nintendo vehemently disagrees. And that is why they find my wallet firmly shut whenever they launch their latest product. I don't believe that they provide a good value to the consumer. Obviously, their business model works for plenty of other gamers and that's fine for them. For me, they're a complete non-starter. A game that is exclusive to Nintendo to me is like being exclusive to a Game.com. I'm never going to play it short of a port. But hey, that's just me.

I agree with you about N being stubborn about putting games on sale, but everything else seems really embellished to play into your decision to save money by ignoring Nintendo games.

The price of the PS5 had already gone up before the "sale" which as you say was marketing. And can still go up again. Xbox is intentionally trying not to sell consoles. Nintendo delayed their preorder date after tariff announcements and, after making choices, decided not to change the system but to increase accessory prices. I'm sure the pre-tarrif list of prices is still around here somewhere.

Ending with a generalized statement that you'll never play any Nintendo game short of a port because you don't like their business practices just makes you look cheap instead of interested in games. If you had such standards against poor conduct, don't buy the game any platform. All game companies are out to make money and all gamers are out to play a video game.

 

[BlackTron]

Because nostalgia works.

As long as Nintendo keeps giving those nostalgic feelings to their fans, they will keep consuming whatever Nintendo does no matter the issues.

Nintendo is the king of that, Sony has a bit and MS has none.

Nintendo could not survive on nostalgia alone, without good products.

 

[FireFly]

Nintendo may make games that many people enjoy and that's fine. But those games are tremendously overvalued over time in ways that keep me from being willing to spend my money with them. I don't believe that games that are a decade old are worth the asking price they launched at. It doesn't matter who made them.

It may be true that their games are "overvalued" to people outside their ecosystem, but if the same were true for people within their ecosystem, then they would face significant pressure to reduce prices. Publishers discount games over time, not out of the goodness of their heart, but because demand falls rapidly after launch.

Moreover, I think there is a more general philosophical question about whether the enjoyment or "worth" of a game falls over time in any straightforward way. If you bought MK8 now to play with your friends, are you going to have less fun than if you bought it 5 years ago? And even after TOTK released people were coming back to BOTW and saying it was the better experience.

 

[Chukhopops]

Man...everywhere you see it's ragebait these days, has it become the new currency? I feel like people will look for anything bad & highlight it as the big picture nowadays, this thread is a sham.

There was a fairly sizeable hate squad online (not just here) hoping for a flop or for larger pushback against the price increases and it didn't happen to say the least. Teeth are going to grind even harder in October when Pokémon releases (Arceus sold 6.5M in a week and 14M total).

In reality the Switch 2 is fantastic and seems very fairly priced compared to PC handhelds all things considered.

 

[lame gag1990]

Yeah, they're shit these days. Bog standard people just love the same old uninspired slop they constantly feed out. Just find all the good shit elsewhere and ignore them. They aren't going anywhere.

 

[nkarafo]

Nintendo's first party output used to be so good, it gave them a lot of value and a lot of wiggle room to fuck things up.

This time though it's different. I don't care about MK World or Donkey Kong Bonanza. Even the last couple of Zelda games were completely uninteresting to me. So now they don't have anything to offer me in order to put up with an overly expensive handheld with a crappy screen, expensive games and bad emulation that's way worse than most homebrew efforts and also behind a subscription that doesn't even let me keep those emulated games and ensures i will always have to pay whenever i want to play them.

No thanks Nintendo.

 

[Impotaku]

Nintendo's first party output used to be so good, it gave them a lot of value and a lot of wiggle room to fuck things up.

This time though it's different. I don't care about MK World or Donkey Kong Bonanza. Even the last couple of Zelda games were completely uninteresting to me. So now they don't have anything to offer me in order to put up with an overly expensive handheld with a crappy screen, expensive games and bad emulation that's way worse than most homebrew efforts and also behind a subscription that doesn't even let me keep those emulated games and ensures i will always have to pay whenever i want to play them.

No thanks Nintendo.

So basically the same as microsoft and sonys subscription plans then. all of them lock content behind a paywall if you don't keep paying you lose access to those games you don't keep anything so i fail to see why this is somehow a nintendo thing. If you really care that much about playing emulated old games either should have kept them when you first had them on their original hardware or just pirate them on a pc. You aren't entitled to free games just because you owned them in the past.

 

[Madserb2023]

I think most people on here who think Nintendo games are overrated, don't play them. It reminds of the success of Xbox games on the PlayStation. Can't wait for Gears to top the charts. I loved Astro Bot and it was essentially the Mario Galaxy 3 that I wanted but that's the point, I played it so many times before. A part of me just wants Nintendo to go third party just to prove the point and have Nintendo games out sell everything else and see people act like TOTK, Mario Odyssey etc are some kind of revelation. This is just the opposite accusation that Sony games are just interactive movies. That mostly comes from people who have never played Uncharted etc. This nonsense will only end when all games are on all platforms.

 

[Fess]

Nintendo will not get 1 cent from me.

So you're planning to skip all their exclusives?
lol have fun with that

 

[TGO]

Nintendo are the OG Apple, in fact Nintendo thinks Apple are amateurs.

 

[nkarafo]

So basically the same as microsoft and sonys subscription plans then. all of them lock content behind a paywall if you don't keep paying you lose access to those games you don't keep anything so i fail to see why this is somehow a nintendo thing.

I don't really care about Sony or Microsoft anymore, I only cared about having a PC and a Nintendo console for it's exclusives. So now just a PC.

If you really care that much about playing emulated old games either should have kept them when you first had them on their original hardware or just pirate them on a pc. You aren't entitled to free games just because you owned them in the past.

If i buy a game i should be able to own it until i rot. I would accept paying for an emulator or a new hardware so i can play those games i own there and not have to use the original console anymore. But i won't accept having to re-pay for the same exact game over and over again, unless they get a remaster or some significant amount of work has been done to them so that there are enough improvements that justifies buying them again.

But in this case, not only there are no improvements, there are downgrades! (bad emulation and glitches, censored or missing content, massive input lag, etc). Which is even worse if you live in a European PAL-land. So there's below zero value for me here. I will just continue playing my old favorite games that i own on free and far superior emulators on my PC.

 

[Sephiran]

If by a ''free pass'' you mean the gaming company that gets the most anger directed at them from gamers the same time every other gaming company lays off everyone, then yes, Nintendo gets a free pass.