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[Cyan]

Exactly, this is why it's so confusing. There are only two real possibilities, and neither one makes sense.

Iron Islanders: wouldn't get the amnesty if they slaughtered everyone and burned the place down. Doing so would seem to lead to certain death.

Whatsname's bastard: serves the Starks, and even under siege conditions presumably wouldn't burn down the place he's trying to retake.

Other possibilities:
-Winterfell residents (why?)
-third party we haven't met yet (diabolus ex machina, boo)
-Hodor Hodor Hodor

 

[Arjen]

Same reason people don't seem to get what happened at Winterfell... Things need to be explicitly stated apparently.

Except you saw what happened to Stennis, what happened in Winterfell is pure speculation. And i dont like SPECULATIONS FROM EVRYONE!. At least not anymore..

 

[parrotbeak]

Except you saw what happened to Stennis, what happened in Winterfell is pure speculation. And i dont like SPECULATIONS FROM EVRYONE!. At least not anymore..

Don't read the rest of my post then.


The North siege leader is a bastard though. Maybe by destroying House Stark and leaving Winterfell empty, he hopes to end up with it for himself. He could blame it all on Theon.

 

[Kuroyume]

? He says he's no longer Jaqhen Hghar, and then he tells her to repeat "Valar Morghulis." Seemed fairly heavily implied that it's his new name.

It's an expression in high Valyrian. It's not his name. Don't look up what it means either. It wouldn't make sense for him to give her his name anyway since he could possibly change his appearance and name several times before she ever sees him again assuming she does.

 

[Jonm1010]

I'm guessing that the Iron Island crew took advantage of Robb's offer of amnesty by killing everyone they could find, torching the hold, and then handing over Theon. I'm guessing some of the troops that were sieging escorted the crew back to the coast, and some searched Winterfell for survivors. Any survivors they found they took to keep safe along with Theon and headed for Robb. Only after all of this did the kids come out of hiding.

That's my take anyway.

So then why did the maester tell Bran and Co. to leave fast and quietly?

He wasn't unconscious, he had to have the energy to survive the fire and crawl to the gods wood. In that time he obviously saw some danger emerging for Bran, serious danger.

I mean I guess he could have passed out and then awoke after the burning of winterfell took place and just made an assumption..... I guess I'm still not any closer to having a clue.

 

[Cyan]

Except you saw what happened to Stennis, what happened in Winterfell is pure speculation. And i dont like SPECULATIONS FROM EVRYONE!. At least not anymore..

Speculation: Rickon snuck out from the crypt without anyone noticing, killed everyone (including Theon, everyone in Winterfell, and the bastard's whole army), and then burned the place down. The voices in the nuts told him to. "Crack us, Rickon! Crack us! Burn it all, Rickon!"

It's an expression in high Valyrian. It's not his name. Don't look up what it means either. It wouldn't make sense for him to give her his name anyway since he could possibly change his appearance and name several times before she ever sees him again assuming she does.

Ok, now I know. But I haven't read the books, there's no need for facepalmings. It wasn't an unreasonable guess.

 

[parrotbeak]

Ok, now I know. But I haven't read the books, there's no need for facepalmings. It wasn't an unreasonable guess.

It's what I thought too, since after he told her that, she called him Jaqen and he said that wasn't his name anymore and then repeated the phrase. That's how I remember the conversation anyway.

 

[iNvid02]

just watched it, and jaqen/arya was the high point for me, followed closely by brienne proving she is a beast

the dragons returning, the warlock's magic, and gandalf at the end didnt seem to be as interesting as fucking jaqen man

sad to see maester luwin go but i expected death in the finale

but so many other fates left hanging, season 3 is too far away

 

[Vlad]

It's an expression in high Valyrian. It's not his name.

Hmm.. I must have missed that. At what point in the episode did they mention that?

 

[parrotbeak]

sad to see maester luwin go but i expected death in the finale

So did I but damn, right after that funny moment and then relief that they must be taking the Stark surrender offer. I even expected Luwin to die earlier, but it still totally caught me off guard.

 

[Speevy]

Hmm.. I must have missed that. At what point in the episode did they mention that?

A man does not mention these things. A girl infers.

 

[Finalow]

so, what was the point of that wizard? To lock in Khaleesi (<3) and the dragons forever? I don't get it.

btw S3 must be great, I mean these fucking zombies must do something.

 

[JGS]

Exactly, this is why it's so confusing. There are only two real possibilities, and neither one makes sense.

Iron Islanders: wouldn't get the amnesty if they slaughtered everyone and burned the place down. Doing so would seem to lead to certain death.

I still maintain that they were splitting. They had no interest in killing people if it saved their skins

Whatsname's bastard: serves the Starks, and even under siege conditions presumably wouldn't burn down the place he's trying to retake.

This is who I'm sure destroyed it. I don't see another option I just don't know why beyond them accepting that Winterfell was Theon's now and so had to be destroyed (Echoing what Cercei said happens in a siege)

I think there is something pretty major about who this bastard is that was supposed to rescue the kids. For whatever reason, they didn't worry about explaining it. I will be disappointed if he doesn't play a role of some kind next season. There was too much talk about him.

Destroying Wintefell is an automatic cliffhanger and way bigger thana lot of plot point even if it's more mystery than suspense.

 

[JGS]

so, what was the point of that wizard? To lock in Khaleesi (<3) and the dragons forever? I don't get it.

That was exactly his point. He felt that they all fed off each other and would do this for a very long time.

He was already creepy, but this made him even more powerful.

 

[Finalow]

GAF, where are the gifs. WHERE.

 

[TCRS]

Just watched the last episode! God so good!

 

[Cyan]

This is who I'm sure destroyed it. I don't see another option I just don't know why beyond them accepting that Winterfell was Theon's now and so had to be destroyed (Echoing what Cercei said happens in a siege)

Forgot about that! Maybe it was a bit of foreshadowing.

I think there is something pretty major about who this bastard is that was supposed to rescue the kids. For whatever reason, they didn't worry about explaining it. I will be disappointed if he doesn't play a role of some kind next season. There was too much talk about him.

Yeah, there'd better be something in S3.

 

[ShipTheCheese]

Watched the last two episodes back to back, and wow! As a non-book reader I couldn't have been more entertained by it all. Seriously, these episodes had a little bit of everything. Blackwater was of course the highlight of the entire season (dat wildfire). But I really enjoyed how they wrapped up all the plot points that the characters were going through at the time, while setting things up nicely for S3. April can't come soon enough.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

One thing I don't get: Tyrion seems to have been cast aside by Tywin. Why? I thought they had developed some new-found respect for one another. Tywin has never been presented as an unfair man, so far, so at the very least I thought he would personally commend Tyrion for keeping shit together.

 

[man of science]

Didn't Melisandre say to Stannis something along the lines of "you will betray your best friend"?

Also I agree that the Winterfell situation was confusing, but I think it was the bastard's men that burnt it down. I will have to rewatch, but why else would Luwin send them to the wall?

 

[abuC]

One thing I don't get: Tyrion seems to have been cast aside by Tywin. Why? I thought they had developed some new-found respect for one another. Tywin has never been presented as an unfair man, so far, so at the very least I thought he would personally commend Tyrion for keeping shit together.

He's a Dwarf, Tywin will never truly care for him, especially since his birth resulted in the death of Tywin's wife. He just tolerates him because of his last name, outside of that there is no real respect or love.

 

[JGS]

One thing I don't get: Tyrion seems to have been cast aside by Tywin. Why? I thought they had developed some new-found respect for one another. Tywin has never been presented as an unfair man, so far, so at the very least I thought he would personally commend Tyrion for keeping shit together.

He was always cast aside to me. He was made the Hand almost as a punishment to Cercei & Joffrey, but he was also put into battle without hope of succeeding last season. However, i saw that as an opportunity for Tyrion to grow beyond being the drunk, dwarf playboy he was up to that point.

I honestly don't think Tywin intends on being a part of Tyrion being killed (He seems to concern himself with family more than anyone) and Lannister infighting would kill the legacy he's trying to build.

As I said before, as a strategist, to ignore Tyrion would be stupid though. It would not shock me to see Tyrion & Tywin practically switch places. Well... it would shock me a little.

 

[woolley]

Maybe this was addressed earlier but could someone clarify this for me. Didn't Sansa leave with The Hound at the end of last episode but yet she was back in Kings Landing in this one? Is it because the Lannisters won or am I missing something?

 

[Vlad]

Maybe this was addressed earlier but could someone clarify this for me. Didn't Sansa leave with The Hound at the end of last episode but yet she was back in Kings Landing in this one? Is it because the Lannisters won or am I missing something?

She didn't actually leave with him. We saw him make the offer to her but the scene ended before we saw what she decided.

 

[big ander]

Maybe this was addressed earlier but could someone clarify this for me. Didn't Sansa leave with The Hound at the end of last episode but yet she was back in Kings Landing in this one? Is it because the Lannisters won or am I missing something?

In Blackwater she chose not to leave with the Hound, thinking that Stannis would win and she'd be fine in King's Landing. But the Lannisters were successful, so she bet badly.

 

[IceCold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL7RWUva7ak&feature=share

Game of Thrones rap song.

Oh snap.

 

[Cyan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL7RWUva7ak&feature=share

Game of Thrones rap song.

Oh snap.

That's... actually surprisingly decent! Huh.

 

[Irish]

GAF, where are the gifs. WHERE.

Look into the fire and you will see... (no seriously, people really need to pay attention to the damned show)

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Yeah I don't get the winterfel thing either and its not like its such a huge thing that I will bother to speculate on it. Right now it just looks like a glaring plot hole they forgot to fill. Love seeing Danerys being a badass in this one

 

[Violet_0]

good episode, awesome ending. Dany and Jon finally got something done, the House of the Undying scene and the one afterwards with the safe were both great (aside from the not-so-fantastic dragon scene)

gotta ask though, who burned down Winterfell? Surely you need more than 20 men for this, so was it Robb's men?

 

[Revolver]

Just watched it. Like a lot of you, I don't understand the whole Winterfell situation. I feel like I missed something. Also Stannis sure got home quick. Brienne is a total badass. I guess Sansa is screwed unless she let's Littlefinger help her. Joffrey is still an insufferable prick and must die an awful death. Finally something interesting happened beyond the Wall. The wait for S3 is going to be tough.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

One thing I did think of for season 3. If Bran and Rickon are headed for the wall unbeknownst to any of the Starks and Jon Snow is not going to be there when they arrive it could be awhile before anybody knows Bran is really alive.

 

[Nameless]

Given the title of the source material I wasn't reading too much Stannis' vision of the Throne(I assume) being in Flames, while the Throne in Daenerys' vision was covered in snow and ice, was I?

 

[parasight]

Given the title of the source material I wasn't reading too much Stannis' vision of the Throne(I assume) being in Flames, while the Throne in Daenerys' vision was covered in snow and ice, was I?

I actually thought the snow and ice in Dany's vision foreshadowed what I've been thinking is the big upcoming battle next season between her dragons and the Whitewalkers.

 

[cutmeamango]

Wasn't it all ashes? I mean, the ceiling looked burned out...?

And about Meister Luwin, if northerners attacked Winterfell and he managed to escape even badly hurt, he could have told Osha in the scene.
He said not to travel south because of enemies, since... they don't know where Rob is and would have to travel through dominated lands/families. If he meant as in "there are traitors among the northerners", he could just have told that!

Now, I don't believe the iron guys gave Theon away, his sister wanted him to come home. Strange that they covered his head though, what shouldn't he see? Who's taking him away or where is he going?

Oh well, this arch could have used more screen time, I agree with the sentiment that Daenerys arch was a 'waste' through these 10 episodes.

 

[hayejin]

With only 10 episodes per seasons..have the producers taken into account the child actors growing up in between seasons?

Or is season 3 going to take place after a year or so? Wouldn't work since season ended with zombies attacking right?

 

[Redux]

just watched it, and jaqen/arya was the high point for me, followed closely by brienne proving she is a beast

That stupid face change killed it for me.

Jaqen is nothing more than what the Owl is in Zelda.

 

[ShipTheCheese]

That stupid face change killed it for me.

Are you kidding? That was totally bad-ass.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Just watched it.....Ohhhh.My.God

That ending was some proper oldey time warhammer fantasy shit right there.

 

[Quadrophenic]

It definately wasn't ashes in Dany's vision of the iron throne. Watch the scene again and take notice of the pillars, you can see a couple icicles that have formed.

 

[Jonm1010]

It definately wasn't ashes in Dany's vision of the iron throne. Watch the scene again and take notice of the pillars, you can see a couple icicles that have formed.

I agree, it was clearly snow.

I mean it could just be a metaphor or my real thoughts are foreshadowing.

I mean they always say winter is comimg so maybe it's just a look into the future of a brutal winter after kings landing has been essentially destroyed or abandoned.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Either those skeleton dudes are gonna fuck up kings landing, or danaerys and her dragons.

Chick has turned stone cold, no mercy will be shown.

 

[M.D]

What's up with that warlock guy? why didn't he do anything to stop Khaleesi? he can do all sorts of magic tricks, but he can't stop those puppet dragons?

Also, what's the deal with the "Army of The Dead" at the end? was this ever brought up in the show? Are they the same as the zombie guy we saw in the first episode last season?

 

[ShipTheCheese]

Also, what's the deal with the "Army of The Dead" at the end? was this ever brought up in the show? Are they the same as the zombie guy we saw in the first episode last season?

*bangs head on desk*

C'mon man, have you even been paying attention?

 

[Last Hearth]

I agree, it was clearly snow.

I mean it could just be a metaphor or my real thoughts are foreshadowing.

I mean they always say winter is comimg so maybe it's just a look into the future of a brutal winter after kings landing has been essentially destroyed or abandoned.

Or snow on the throne could foreshadow Snow on the throne.

 

[parrotbeak]

Also, what's the deal with the "Army of The Dead" at the end? was this ever brought up in the show? Are they the same as the zombie guy we saw in the first episode last season?

It's just a set up for a new Army of Darkness / GoT crossover comic.

 

[abuC]

just watched it, and jaqen/arya was the high point for me, followed closely by brienne proving she is a beast

Jaime looked like he wanted no parts of Brienne after she tore those dudes apart.

 

[Quadrophenic]

How long has it been since winter came to Westeros?

 

[HolyCheck]

9 years iirc? And it was a short one

 

[mercenar1e]

i didn't notice Castle Blacks gate during Daenerys visit to the house of the undying.. had to watch it a second time, it is covered in snow and ice.. much more than in previous episodes so im guessing it's a sign that the Nights Watch will lose or that she's the only one that can stop the white walkers.. why didn't they have her father appear at the house of the undying? did her father show up in the books?