What effect will the recent PlayStation Plus price increases have on you?

What effect will the recent PlayStation Plus price increases have on you?

  • None. I will continue with my current subscription

    Votes: 37 13.6%

  • I will downgrade my subscription to a lower tier

    Votes: 18 6.6%

  • I am unsubscribing completely

    Votes: 51 18.7%

  • I wasn't subscribed in the first place

    Votes: 120 44.0%

  • USA! USA! USA!

    Votes: 47 17.2%
  • Total voters
    273
Setsuna Mudou said:
Don't be disingenuous, MS not only was the first company to start this bullshit paywall for online with the xbox360, but they have already increased the price of their subscription service multiple times. And will keep going up.

We can be against it for all sides right?
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Oh completely. You are right. But we only see one side screaming about who's going to put the prices up while their "camp" is the one doing it just as much.

I find it entertaining that's all.
 
DenchDeckard said:
It makes all the posts about micorosft increasing gamepass prices even more entertaining.

Sonys the one raising prices left and right and all the sony fans point fingers at MS shouting "watch when they raise the prices. Stupid people enjoying gamepass. It will be expensive soon...Just you wait"
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"all the sony fans point fingers" - is that right? You seem to have an issue with generalizing. As well, a lot of the talk about price increases for Game Pass have to do with the issues unique to it - for example, sustainability.
 
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laynelane said:
"all the sony fans point fingers" - is that right? You seem to have an issue with generalizing. As well, a lot of the talk about price increases for Game Pass have to do with the issues unique to it - for example, sustainability.
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Well, where's the sustainability in ps plus convo?

And yes. The sony guys do point fingers. It's on here clear as day to see with a little searching. I'm only talking facts. It's not a big deal. All of it is shit but to deny it's not happening from the sony camp and to try and paint those that bring it up as trolls or anything else is pretty disingenuous.

We can just accept it and move on. It's just irony that's all.
 
DenchDeckard said:
Well, where's the sustainability in ps plus convo?
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What is there to say? PS gamers buy games. Xbox gamers don't buy games. PS+ is just a supplement and doesn't even exist everywhere. Sony only allow PS+ in regions that can actually make money.

Sony from the very beginning expect PS+ to carry its own weight and it does. Microsoft assumed Gamepass will reach hundreds of millions of players, designed it to be that way, and now Gamepass can't support itself because it couldn't reach their original subscriber goals.

What do you even want to discuss anyway, that MicrosoftCEO are stupid and can't make good business decisions?
 
DenchDeckard said:
Well, where's the sustainability in ps plus convo?

And yes. The sony guys do point fingers. It's on here clear as day to see with a little searching. I'm only talking facts. It's not a big deal. All of it is shit but to deny it's not happening from the sony camp and to try and paint those that bring it up as trolls or anything else is pretty disingenuous.

We can just accept it and move on. It's just irony that's all.
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Do you actually think PS Plus and Game Pass are the same? Really? Game Pass launched as a service for day one first party releases with a huge selection of games to play for a low price. People rightfully said it was not sustainable and it wasn't - which is why there's been so many changes to it. What does this have to do with a complementary service like PS Plus?

And, yes, you are generalizing people. I didn't deny it was happening from the "sony camp". Just pointed out your statement: "all the sony fans point fingers" for what it was.
 
DenchDeckard said:
Oh completely. You are right. But we only see one side screaming about who's going to put the prices up while their "camp" is the one doing it just as much.

I find it entertaining that's all.
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I think this very thread just disproved your point. Majority of people here saying they either dropped the sub, or (like me) they will as soon as it expires.

Both companies are upping the subscription prices, it's not one "camp".
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
Where's the option for "Seriously considering a Steam Machine 2.0 if they're available by next-gen"?

Because that's where I'm leaning, personally. Well, that and a Switch 2 (which I'd get first...stock will probably be hell first year tho and I am too busy to micromanage preorder drops or stock drops in launch period). Mind, it's not just the PS+ price increase in a vacuum; it's the fact there's an increase with no new value added to justify the increase. It's all the other price increases over the years. It's them having ported so many games to PC this gen including all the GAAS where online multiplayer is free. It's the decreasing number of exclusives both 1P & 3P-wise. It's the bad customer service and shoddy-ish refund policy. It's the realization Insomniac are basically "stuck" on Marvel content until 2030 (assuming nothing happens to the planned R&C). It's SIE's bad mismanagement of several studios resulting in Bluepoint somehow getting stuck on a GOW GAAS that's now cancelled and setting Bluepoint back in having a new game this gen as a result.

It's a whole lot of causes, but I mentioned Steam Machines for a reason. I could just say "PC" but Windows is on some bullshit these days and just has a lot of unnecessary bloat. Valve's also several steps ahead of Microsoft in terms of console-fying PC gaming, so from a practical customer POV going with a Steam Machine (or if for whatever reason they aren't there, a Steam Deck 2...tho hopefully it's competitive in specs) just seems like a no-brainer option, unless Microsoft can REALLY impress with their (real) Xbox PC hybrid plans (not this Xbox ASUS stuff, which I have zero interest in even tho I like ASUS as a hardware maker).

If SIE could reverse course on some things, like cutting back on some of the GAAS and pushing genuine exclusives again (with a greater variety of Western & Japanese/Asian games plus AAA & AA), then some of the issues I mentioned earlier could be tolerated. But if they don't, and I don't have FOMO, then putting up with all of that (or worst) just to play 1P games 12 months ahead of a PC port just isn't enough of a motivation.

That's why I would still consider a Switch 2: even if Nintendo's kind of stupid for some of their games pricing (and some aspects of messaging for the system are just borked), they've still got a lot of strong 1P exclusives I'd like to play and seemingly will have some surprising 3P exclusives (full & timed) as well like Duskbloods. Sure I could buy the games and play them in an eventual emulator on PC, but I'd rather play on real hardware and not deal with software emulation errors, emulation bugs, or missing features.
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Perfectly stated. Playstation was already a shell of its former, and now they're just gouging the fuck out of their existing audience. PC is becoming more and more tempting.
 
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
Where's the option for "Seriously considering a Steam Machine 2.0 if they're available by next-gen"?

Because that's where I'm leaning, personally. Well, that and a Switch 2 (which I'd get first...stock will probably be hell first year tho and I am too busy to micromanage preorder drops or stock drops in launch period). Mind, it's not just the PS+ price increase in a vacuum; it's the fact there's an increase with no new value added to justify the increase. It's all the other price increases over the years.
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This is what bothers me about the PS Plus price increases. There's no increased value. I stopped subscribing ages ago when they removed stuff ('free' games for PS3 and Vita, for example) and upped the price. I also don't use the store to buy games because I prefer physical and it's normally cheaper too. Basically, they get money from me for hardware, accessories, and the rare DLC purchase (eg. for Souls games). I wouldn't mind paying for PS Plus, though, if it wasn't so expensive. As it stands, I can't justify paying that amount of money for the rare coop session with friends and cloud saves.
 
FubukiJ said:
Perfectly stated. Playstation was already a shell of its former, and now they're just gouging the fuck out of their existing audience. PC is becoming more and more tempting.
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So you can just get price gouged on hardware, deal with all the issues that comes with gaming on pc (lack of optimization, poor couch play, poor pick up and play), not to mention rampant cheaters in online play, etc.

All because a subscription service gets a price hike.

You tell 'em.

the amount of time you save not dealing with that crap is more than the $6/mo optional subscription service
 
James Sawyer Ford said:
So you can just get price gouged on hardware, deal with all the issues that comes with gaming on pc (lack of optimization, poor couch play, poor pick up and play), not to mention rampant cheaters in online play, etc.

All because a subscription service gets a price hike.

You tell 'em.

the amount of time you save not dealing with that crap is more than the $6/mo optional subscription service
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They haven't increased prices in the UK ...... yet.

However my renewal comes up next year, and i defitnley won't be resubbing without a discount.

I've read some people say that they got offered a discount shortly after cancellation, so i'll probably just cancel and wait for discount for the forseeable future.

I still think there is still value in it, i buy games that i'm interested in and any game that i would never have bought if it ends up on ps plus i can try it.

Also they should introduce a online only tier for accessing multiplayer, that way people aren't forced into paying for stuff like the montly games that they might not be interested in. They should abolish online fee altogether but we are a long way from that.
 
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I think that the UK price is already a joke. £60 a year to play games online and have cloud saves takes the complete piss. I pay nothing to Steam for cloud saves and online gaming. Yes, sure someone needs to pay for server maintenance but if Steam can do it then I'm not sure why other companies can't.
 
No point of paying it anymore. I still have gamepass for a while but when that expires too. I won't be using any of these services.
 
Lucifers Beard said:
I think that the UK price is already a joke. £60 a year to play games online and have cloud saves takes the complete piss. I pay nothing to Steam for cloud saves and online gaming. Yes, sure someone needs to pay for server maintenance but if Steam can do it then I'm not sure why other companies can't.
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Keep in mind that originally PS+ was just for monthly games but being online was still free. It was a completely optional side thing.
The release of the PS4 was when Sony knew they were going to do well on the console market and decided to paywall being online.
That was when I was begining to get the hump with sony

People joke but the PS3 was genuinely my fav console.
 
I downgraded to essential on the last increase but I barely use it. Regardless of whether they increase the price or not here in the UK I will be cancelling it when it runs out early next year.

I've been playing single player stuff almost exclusively lately, if I really want to play something with a mate I'll sub for a month here and there. Can't even remember the last time I played one of the monthly games - I already own the good ones they give out.

I'll only miss the cloud saves, but I have a drive I can stick them on anyway so fuck it.
 
DeltaPolarBear said:
What is there to say? PS gamers buy games. Xbox gamers don't buy games. PS+ is just a supplement and doesn't even exist everywhere. Sony only allow PS+ in regions that can actually make money.

Sony from the very beginning expect PS+ to carry its own weight and it does. Microsoft assumed Gamepass will reach hundreds of millions of players, designed it to be that way, and now Gamepass can't support itself because it couldn't reach their original subscriber goals.

What do you even want to discuss anyway, that MicrosoftCEO are stupid and can't make good business decisions?
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I have heard gamepass cant support itself for around 8 years. Is there something you know that others don't. Gamepass isnt the reason the industry is failing. Its far more bloated budgets and the push for insane tech. Games shouldnt have 300 million pound budgets and take 8 years to make. That isnt gamepass's fault.

I don't think any of these businesses actually making great decisions for US, the consumer.
laynelane said:
Do you actually think PS Plus and Game Pass are the same? Really? Game Pass launched as a service for day one first party releases with a huge selection of games to play for a low price. People rightfully said it was not sustainable and it wasn't - which is why there's been so many changes to it. What does this have to do with a complementary service like PS Plus?

And, yes, you are generalizing people. I didn't deny it was happening from the "sony camp". Just pointed out your statement: "all the sony fans point fingers" for what it was.
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I think PS Plus and Gamepass are similar yes. One offers day one games though. And one you dont need to pay for gamepass to have cloud saves its free on the platform. Fucking disgusting that Sony doesnt offer it TBH.
Setsuna Mudou said:
I think this very thread just disproved your point. Majority of people here saying they either dropped the sub, or (like me) they will as soon as it expires.

Both companies are upping the subscription prices, it's not one "camp".
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You guys are right, I shouldn't have generalised as all. My bad! - Should have said Many.

Good, that people are voting with their wallets. I just hope Sony add cloud saves as standard and remove PLUS as a requirement to get such a simple feature.
 
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its a $3 increase in my region , i sub to deluxe sometimes as to earn playstation star points if i were to purchase any discounted game or Day1 launch price game
nowadays for Day1 games , i would prefer remastered JRPG games that costs less than $55 which is Suikoden 1 and 2

i will unsub completely until there's a game with 80% sale that i want badly just to earn the playstation star points to get that $7 rebate
 
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DenchDeckard said:
I have heard gamepass cant support itself for around 8 years. Is there something you know that others don't. Gamepass isnt the reason the industry is failing. Its far more bloated budgets and the push for insane tech. Games shouldnt have 300 million pound budgets and take 8 years to make. That isnt gamepass's fault.

I don't think any of these businesses actually making great decisions for US, the consumer.
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Consumers make their own decisions. Only Xbox customers wait for Microsoft to tell them what they should think.

Businesses make products, consumers should decide if they want to buy it ON THEIR OWN.

Gamepass is not the reason the industry is failing, correct. But Gamepass itself definitely failed. Because Microsoft went all-in on Gamepass for Xbox Series and if Gamepass had succeed in any way, Microsoft wouldn't have went 3rd party.

Microsoft going Third Party because they couldn't survive from the existing plan. And the existing plan was Gamepass. Thus, Microsoft going Third Party is proof that Gamepass failed. Is this logic too complicated for you?

Sony has issues too but they are not going Third Party. And neither is Nintendo. Xbox going Third Party is proof of whatever they were trying before had failed. And that "thing" starts with G and ended with S.
 
DenchDeckard said:
I think PS Plus and Gamepass are similar yes. One offers day one games though. And one you dont need to pay for gamepass to have cloud saves its free on the platform. Fucking disgusting that Sony doesnt offer it TBH.
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That we can agree on. Locking cloud saves behind a paywall (and removing the ability to save to a USB drive for PS5) is completely indefensible.
 
I cancelled when they did the price increase a year or so ago and haven't used my ps5 since. To be fair nothing has really come out for it either. (I played Helldivers on PC)
 
laynelane said:
That we can agree on. Locking cloud saves behind a paywall (and removing the ability to save to a USB drive for PS5) is completely indefensible.
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That kind of freedom is for PC gamers. Walled Gardens means someone else makes the rules.
You want options? Wait for Amazon to try joining the console race. But Xbox has to die first to make room. PlayStation having no real competition is not Sony's problem. That is why i tell Xbox to go away already, they are taking up valuable real estate for someone else.
 
DeltaPolarBear said:
That kind of freedom is for PC gamers. Walled Gardens means someone else makes the rules.
You want options? Wait for Amazon to try joining the console race. But Xbox has to die first to make room. PlayStation having no real competition is not Sony's problem. That is why i tell Xbox to go away already, they are taking up valuable real estate for someone else.
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Did Xbox charge for cloud saves ever? Like, for example, when they were real competition for PS? I'm genuinely asking because I'm not familiar with the Xbox ecosystem.
 
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laynelane said:
Did Xbox charge for cloud saves ever? Like, for example, when they were real competition for PS? I'm genuinely asking because I'm not familiar with the Xbox ecosystem.
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If that kind of minor perks is enough to convert people to buying Xbox, it would have worked by now. Perks are like pizza days at work; you enjoy the pizza if offered, but you wouldn't switch careers just for pizza days.

Xbox console offerings are inferior, so the perks were not able to offset it. It's like saying Enron is a great company because they offer better employee parking.
 
DeltaPolarBear said:
If that kind of minor perks is enough to convert people to buying Xbox, it would have worked by now. Perks are like pizza days at work; you enjoy the pizza if offered, but you wouldn't switch careers just for pizza days.

Xbox console offerings are inferior, so the perks were not able to offset it. It's like saying Enron is a great company because they offer better employee parking.
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I'm not sure I'd call cloud saves a perk for the PS5. It's a perk with the PS4 because there's an alternate way to back up your saves. That method was removed for the PS5. A competitor offering cloud saves for free was not enough to convince Sony they should follow suit, so I'm not sure a future possible competitor would make any difference either.

Removing Xbox from this entirely, I think Sony should offer free cloud saves if they don't provide an alternate method to back up game data. They've been in the business for a long time now, they know how important saved games are for many of their customers. Offering nothing except the option to pay more for what should be a basic feature is not defensible to me.
 
DeltaPolarBear said:
Consumers make their own decisions. Only Xbox customers wait for Microsoft to tell them what they should think.

Businesses make products, consumers should decide if they want to buy it ON THEIR OWN.

Gamepass is not the reason the industry is failing, correct. But Gamepass itself definitely failed. Because Microsoft went all-in on Gamepass for Xbox Series and if Gamepass had succeed in any way, Microsoft wouldn't have went 3rd party.

Microsoft going Third Party because they couldn't survive from the existing plan. And the existing plan was Gamepass. Thus, Microsoft going Third Party is proof that Gamepass failed. Is this logic too complicated for you?

Sony has issues too but they are not going Third Party. And neither is Nintendo. Xbox going Third Party is proof of whatever they were trying before had failed. And that "thing" starts with G and ended with S.
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The ABK purchase killed Xbox consoles and caused them to go third party, not gamepass.
 
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as long as it is not entire europe or my country... none? lol

I think Plus (and GP) offer a tremendous value. Even Plus Premium. I am not sure where my ceiling is, but not at the current price. It's basically my main only source of "new" games, so it is bargain bin prices for a ton more than what i would get via a physical bargain bin. I just never own anything, which matches the price and value.
 
DenchDeckard said:
What the fuck!!!!!

So I literally HAVE to have PS Plus if I have 2 x PS5s?
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Yup, try it yourself.

System -> Storage -> Console Storage -> Saved Games

You'll have the choice of PS5 games and PS4 games.

PS5 offers
  • Upload to Cloud Storage
  • Delete
PS4 offers
  1. Upload to Cloud Storage
  2. Copy to USB Drive
  3. Delete

Further in settings you'll find options to browse Cloud Storage which lets you download saves or delete the remote copies. As well as the ability to sync which keeps the saves between two consoles synced. However, both options require PSPlus.
 
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SScorpio said:
Yup, try it yourself.

System -> Storage -> Console Storage -> Saved Games

You'll have the choice of PS5 games and PS4 games.

PS5 offers
  • Upload to Cloud Storage
  • Delete
PS4 offers
  1. Upload to Cloud Storage
  2. Copy to USB Drive
  3. Delete

Further in settings you'll find options to browse Cloud Storage which lets you download saves or delete the remote copies. As well as the ability to sync which keeps the saves between two consoles synced. However, both options require PSPlus.
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No fucking way! well now I am pissed. I thought worst case I could transfer a few saves. Is it possible to transfer saves if you are on the same network? Like through WiFi etc?

GIF by South Park
 
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None, on account of having fled for pc years ago anyways. idk paying for online is just way too cucked, especially when you know that really, it's going to pay for games like Dragon Age the Veilguard to be generously added to your subscription library. Like yeah I'd rather not be forced to pay for games I don't want just to play a online game. So yeah between cucked pay to play, and Sony censorship, was more than enough reason to never support Playstation directly ever again.
 
I'll keep it for now because my kids have plenty to play and I play online anyways. Might drop deluxe tier though as I am not really seeing value in it.
 
I will downgrade, I've been planning to for a while. I initially had premium but after seeing it being mediocre at best for the first couple of years I was going to drop down to the Extra tier, but when my sub was ending there was a sale that was ending 2 days before my sub was about to run out, and since I was on premium, I couldn't downgrade while my sub was active and the premium sale price was cheaper than the Extra regular price, so I stuck with Premium.
 
Let my sub lapse 6mo ago after over 15 years of service. Was a tough decision at the time but in hindsight was long overdue.
 
I've literally never subscribed to PS Plus, so I can't say this affects me one way or the other. It just has no value to me.
 
Cancelled mine about a year ago when the releases started repeating and the cost went up. I don't have enough time to play multiplayer any more for it to be worth it. Plus the rising cost of everything else has hit home hard enough.
 
SScorpio said:
Yup, try it yourself.

System -> Storage -> Console Storage -> Saved Games

You'll have the choice of PS5 games and PS4 games.

PS5 offers
  • Upload to Cloud Storage
  • Delete
PS4 offers
  1. Upload to Cloud Storage
  2. Copy to USB Drive
  3. Delete

Further in settings you'll find options to browse Cloud Storage which lets you download saves or delete the remote copies. As well as the ability to sync which keeps the saves between two consoles synced. However, both options require PSPlus.
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I feel like this is some common knowledge among console players. You need to pay to transfer saves on Sony Playstation 5 unlike on PC.
 
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