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Nolan comments on Batman Begins sequel
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Cold-Steel
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Fuck Robin.
shpankey
not an idiot
I think they setup a Robin in the first film though, although he won't show for a few films I'm sure. But in Begins, the blonde boy with blue eyes who is enamored with Batman.... he shows up a lot in the film. He also loses his mother. He got a lot of screen time and lines for someone who wasn't otherwise in the story. I'm sure a later Batman movie will show Robin to end up being that boy.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Good stuff. Never been a fan of Robin either.
Also I'll be seeing Begins again Saturday.
Also I'll be seeing Begins again Saturday.
Templar Wizard
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why even mention Robin? was he even popular?
surely most of the batman 'world' that was created in the dark age, should be left alone.
once batman starts working with a young boy, the entire character and tone changes.
unles... you want to take the franchise to his sick and twisted conclusion.
surely most of the batman 'world' that was created in the dark age, should be left alone.
once batman starts working with a young boy, the entire character and tone changes.
unles... you want to take the franchise to his sick and twisted conclusion.
The Bookerman
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Templar Wizard said:
^^^
I agree
Templar Wizard said:
I think it can work well.
You've got
Batman realizing that he won't be around forever, and maybe coming to terms with the fact that he might not be able to do this on his own or in his lifetime.
Batman taking Grayson in because he identifies with his family being murdered in cold blood (and maybe feels like he has a duty to protect him in some way? I forgot how Dark Victory went)
Batman acting sort of as a father figure and fully going from young Batman to sorta modern Batman who is a seasoned fighter and detective.
Templar Wizard
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i think you are a Forever fanboi anihawk.
imho: sidekicks are as lame as it gets. ask yourself why was robin even introduced in the first place...
keep batman as a loner and a psycho. once robin is in, you open the door to batmite and batgirl and so on.
imho: sidekicks are as lame as it gets. ask yourself why was robin even introduced in the first place...
keep batman as a loner and a psycho. once robin is in, you open the door to batmite and batgirl and so on.
Templar Wizard said:
I didn't like Forever.
I agree that Robin really cheapened Batman, especially during the 50s and 60s, but they could pull it off in a good way. Dark Victory managed to do it without making Robin a dumbass (even though he was there for all of 20 pages). I would really HATE to see him in the current string of movies, I'd much rather they focus on Joker and Harvey Dent/Two Face.
Quiet, you.
Meatpuppet
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Sequel needs 100% more Oldman. That is all.
Thanks to the terrible way he was implemented in the previous movies I'm wonder if folks understand the significance of having a Robin character in the Batman mythos? You know, the idea that having him helps Batman maintain the humanity he has sometimes threatened to lose as he becomes immersed in the criminal world...
Templar Wizard
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yeah, i keep a young boy around me all the time to maintain my humanity.
seriously guy, smell the coffee. robin is pretty crap, in both movie and comic form.
seriously guy, smell the coffee. robin is pretty crap, in both movie and comic form.
ToyMachine228
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This Nolan fellow knows what he's doing! He put Batman Begins together very very well, and he knows that Robin isn't cool...I don't expect Nolan to spoil Batman Begins Again when it finally does come out.
Templar Wizard said:
Thank you for giving me YOUR opinion... haven't read the Batman comic for over 20 years which includes lots of good AND bad Robin stories, I think I'm more than qualified to have my own opinion, what I state however was simply the reason the character was created.
I keep a young boy around me... so quaint... of course that fails to point out how Batman has felt a connection to a few of the Robins because they've lost their families in tragic situations.
No lets just focus on the young boy aspect.. it makes for much wittier posting.
Templar Wizard
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[why the character was created]....in a time when the focus character was on different planets with Z-rays....
but yes, its your opinion, a silly opinion
ahh, i see your edit, makes my statement make no sense. let me, in turn, edit.
but yes, its your opinion, a silly opinion
ahh, i see your edit, makes my statement make no sense. let me, in turn, edit.
Robin just doesn't make sense in the universe Nolan has constructed for Batman, and adding him would be detrimental to the franchise.
Maybe when Nolan's done and Warner Bros. sees fit to replace him, there might be a time and a place for Robin, but I hope not. There are plenty of other ways to ground the character and keep his humanity without resorting to a very lame sidekick.
Maybe when Nolan's done and Warner Bros. sees fit to replace him, there might be a time and a place for Robin, but I hope not. There are plenty of other ways to ground the character and keep his humanity without resorting to a very lame sidekick.
cubicle47b
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That's a scary thought.
I'm happy Nolan will be coming back. I saw Batman Begins for the second time last night and it's damn close to being perfect.
ToyMachine228
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Personally, I think they should get Frank Miller in to help out with the story writing...But it's not a must, as Nolan did a good job with Begins. But since I'm reading The Dark Knight Returns, I just thought I'd say it.
Agent Dormer
Dirty Drinking Smoker
Good to hear.
Cauliflower of Love
Banned
Willco said:
Can you get me a link to that script?
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Multiple villains weaved together in a nolan/goyer written script with bale as batman and robin nowhere to be found? I loved it the 1st time, do it again!
Espio said:
Better.
muncheese said:
Nope. I was lucky enough that someone gave me the recently leaked script, which I'm sure if you look in the right places, you can find. I mean, it's the Internet. And before you ask -- No, I don't have it anymore. I make it a general rule of thumb to discard of scripts after I read them.
Espio said:
It can be done... besides there are some people who feel that Jacks' Joker was more just a homicidal mobster with makeup... and think the running the mob focus isn't something the comic character would really be interested in... for any long amount of time...
Canadian Psycho
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Espio said:
Nicholson was entertaining in Batman, but you don't want THAT kind of entertaining (i.e. overacting on steroids) for the new Batman franchise. Not a good match.
Canadian Psycho
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Canadian Psycho said:
I never said he wasn't entertaining.
Kung Fu Jedi
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ToyMachine228 said:
Didn't Goyer write the script, not Nolan? Goyer has proven that he is much better at writing these things than directing. (See Blade 3)
Outcast2004
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I want a Joker that's scary and psychotic. At the core Joker is one SERIOUSLY F-ed guy and I want that portrayed on screen.
For christs sake, dont go the Batman 89 route and have it so Batman cause him to become the Joker. It's pretty established now (as of the last scene) that he's entrenched in his gimmick.
I envision him as someone who who kill a bus load of school kids because he'd finds some sort of humor in their suffering.
I'm having a hard time putting in words what I want this character to be, but I trust Goyer wil do it right. The way he handled the characters in Begins was as close to perfect as it gets for me. Especially Ra's. I never expected him to nail that character the way he did. Full on eco-terroriist mode, with a justification to his homicide in his own mind.
Perhaps they could have him back, even in the background in future movies and maybe delve into the Talia aspect and why he chose Bruce. Ra's is a character with some serious depth that could be used later on if need be, same with Scarecrow.
One thing that kind of bugs me in the criticism of this movie is people complaining about the handling of the villains, or how they were used, as the case may be. Well the movie was about Batman's beginnings, not the villains.
For christs sake, dont go the Batman 89 route and have it so Batman cause him to become the Joker. It's pretty established now (as of the last scene) that he's entrenched in his gimmick.
I envision him as someone who who kill a bus load of school kids because he'd finds some sort of humor in their suffering.
I'm having a hard time putting in words what I want this character to be, but I trust Goyer wil do it right. The way he handled the characters in Begins was as close to perfect as it gets for me. Especially Ra's. I never expected him to nail that character the way he did. Full on eco-terroriist mode, with a justification to his homicide in his own mind.
Perhaps they could have him back, even in the background in future movies and maybe delve into the Talia aspect and why he chose Bruce. Ra's is a character with some serious depth that could be used later on if need be, same with Scarecrow.
One thing that kind of bugs me in the criticism of this movie is people complaining about the handling of the villains, or how they were used, as the case may be. Well the movie was about Batman's beginnings, not the villains.
Escape Goat
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Togeo said:Mark Hammil!
Mark Hamil doesn't look too menacing though.
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Goyer wrote the script, but Nolan went through and heavily re-wrote stuff. Especially in Act III.
I think the initial Goyer concept was fantastic, and I was extremely enthusiastic about them filming Batman Begins based off his script. The edits and changes Nolan made however, made it a much better film.
DrForester
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Espio said:
These two did it.
Escape Goat
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This guy wasn't scarier than Bozo the clown.
Sapiens
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Yeah, introduce Talia in part 2.
Have Ra's make a cameo at the end after Batman puts Joker in Arkham.
Then make Part 3 exclusively about Ra's, Talia and Batman.
With a sword fight between Batman and Ra's at the end.
All the whiles developing characters liked harvet dent, and such.
Part 4 will have Deny becoming Two-Face.
Have Ra's make a cameo at the end after Batman puts Joker in Arkham.
Then make Part 3 exclusively about Ra's, Talia and Batman.
With a sword fight between Batman and Ra's at the end.
All the whiles developing characters liked harvet dent, and such.
Part 4 will have Deny becoming Two-Face.
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