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[ecosse_011172]

Just shows how really poor most Europeans are compared to US.

Where have you been in Europe?

 

[Zathalus]

That seems a bit low, for both Europe and NA. It's that's the average it just goes to show most gamers likely dont invest in the hobby nearly as much as some of us.

 

[Kacho]

There's at least 2 to 3 games released each month that i moght want to get. And sometimes, one store here has deals like buy 3 pay for 2, and i get that.

As long as you have the means and are happy it's all good mang

 

[Zathalus]

Where have you been in Europe?

Twitter.

 

[Bojji]

That seems a bit low, for both Europe and NA. It's that's the average it just goes to show most gamers likely dont invest in the hobby nearly as much as some of us.

Free to play + casuals just buy COD and FC/Madden every year and that's it.

 

[PeteBull]

Just shows how really poor most Europeans are compared to US.

Yup, take bit above avg 65k usd yearly salary guy and he is literal 1% in my country.

 

[Quezacolt]

As long as you have the means and are happy it's all good mang

Being single and still at home with the family (rent is too high to be able to pay alone). In this house we dont pay rent, nor electricity nor water. So i dont need to spend money on those things.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Half a million people file for bankruptcy per year because of medical bills so it's quite an issue.
Also, if you're living paycheck to paycheck, sticking 20 grand away isn't exactly easy.

People could also live within their means . . . like I could have got a loan for a $500-600k house, and I bought a house under $300k.
I bought a slightly used car that's now paid off. etc.

We should do a better job teaching people to be better with money. Should be a requirement in high school to teach about taxes, investing, interest rates, etc.

Anytime I was a contractor without any benefits, I paid for catastrophic care. Plus there's the max deductible. A lot of the charges from my daughter being born was free cause we already hit the max earlier in the year.

 

[Nintendo's Witch]

They spend more money on games than their government in healthcare

 

[6502]

Spending money on "time saving features" sounds an awful lot like directly rewarding developers for deliberately poor design.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

People could also live within their means . . . like I could have got a loan for a $500-600k house, and I bought a house under $300k.
I bought a slightly used car that's now paid off. etc.

We should do a better job teaching people to be better with money. Should be a requirement in high school to teach about taxes, investing, interest rates, etc.

Anytime I was a contractor without any benefits, I paid for catastrophic care. Plus there's the max deductible. A lot of the charges from my daughter being born was free cause we already hit the max earlier in the year.

So spot on, using credit that people can't afford is a massive problem

 

[Kacho]

Twitter.

This is what Twitter says

• US: The US has a higher GDP per capita than most European countries. In 2024, the US GDP per capita (PPP, purchasing power parity) is around $81,000, according to IMF estimates. This reflects higher average incomes and economic output.
• Europe: Europe varies widely. Western European countries like Germany ($66,000), France ($56,000), or the Netherlands ($69,000) have strong GDP per capita figures, though still below the US. Eastern European nations, like Poland ($45,000) or Romania ($38,000), lag further behind. The EU average is roughly $59,000 (PPP).
• Takeaway: On average, Americans have higher disposable incomes, but top-tier European nations are close. Eastern Europe pulls the European average down.

 

[mèx]

What do you expect? North America includes the USA which by itself is richer than the EU by a good margin.

EDIT: Didn't notice they talk about Western Europe, but this still applies, just to a lesser degree most likely.

 

[Plies]

 

[Physiognomonics]

Where have you been in Europe?

What does it have to do with anything? Are we comparing spending of European countries?

This :

What do you expect? North America includes the USA which by itself is richer than the EU by a good margin.

EDIT: Didn't notice they talk about Western Europe, but this still applies, just to a lesser degree most likely.

 

[ecosse_011172]

People could also live within their means . . . like I could have got a loan for a $500-600k house, and I bought a house under $300k.
I bought a slightly used car that's now paid off. etc.

We should do a better job teaching people to be better with money. Should be a requirement in high school to teach about taxes, investing, interest rates, etc.

Anytime I was a contractor without any benefits, I paid for catastrophic care. Plus there's the max deductible. A lot of the charges from my daughter being born was free cause we already hit the max earlier in the year.

The minimum wage in your country hasn't changed in 16 years but sure, it's people not living within their means that stops them being as fortunate and affluent as you.

 

[ecosse_011172]

What does it have to do with anything? Are we comparing spending of European countries?

This :

GDP is utterly meaningless in this context.
And if you had been to Europe, you'd know better than to post about European poverty.
As I said, I was horrified by the poverty I witnessed in the USA, have seen nothing like it in Europe, anywhere.

 

[SJRB]

Europoors be like "muh free healthcare, muh walkable city" and can't afford to spend more than 170 euros on games a year.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

The minimum wage in your country hasn't changed in 16 years but sure, it's people not living within their means that stops them being as fortunate and affluent as you.

Unless it's your first job. You shouldn't be making minimum wage to begin with. So why would the minimum matter? It should only matter for a few months in someone's life.

 

[jshackles]

Finally, a measure of my life that makes me above average

 

[ecosse_011172]

Unless it's your first job. You shouldn't be making minimum wage to begin with.

 

[Punished Miku]

If you guys remove Thick Thighs Save Lives from the Europe numbers, it's probably more like $140 average per year.

 

[Bojji]

What do you expect? North America includes the USA which by itself is richer than the EU by a good margin.

EDIT: Didn't notice they talk about Western Europe, but this still applies, just to a lesser degree most likely.

Since 2007 what happened? Tech/internet industry became big: Meta, Nvidia, Apple, Google.

This is driving that GPD growth, Europe is mostly producing "real" stuff in the meantime. And guess where most of that GPD growth money is?

Top 10%. Are you in this club?

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

I haven't made minimum wage since I was a bag boy at a grocery store when I was 16. The other jobs I had in high school paid over the minimum wage, let alone the jobs during and after college.
Why people obsess about the minimum wage when most jobs pay over it to begin with is just weird. Not the real hill to die on.

 

[archangelmorph]

The real headlines from this graph:

- Asia-Pacific is fucking huge as a market for games - If you're a publisher and you're not learning and understanding how you're games are or are not selling in this market and optimising accordingly then you're leaving potentially millions on the table
- Middle-East & Africa is on aggregate a bigger market than the US - fuck me... Would love to see the breakdown in terms of what they're buying and across which platforms

 

[Punished Miku]

The real headlines from this graph:

- Asia-Pacific is fucking huge as a market for games - If you're a publisher and you're not learning and understanding how you're games are or are not selling in this market and optimising accordingly then you're leaving potentially millions on the table
- Middle-East & Africa is on aggregate a bigger market than the US - fuck me... Would love to see the breakdown in terms of what they're buying and across which platforms

PC -> Mobile ----------------------------------------------------------> PS5

 

[Kotaro]

Does this even include second hand or collectible games market? I doubt it

 

[ecosse_011172]

I haven't made minimum wage since I was a bag boy at a grocery store when I was 16. The other jobs I had in high school paid over the minimum wage, let alone the jobs during and after college.
Why people obsess about the minimum wage when most jobs pay over it to begin with is just weird. Not the real hill to die on.

Still missing the point.
The minimum wage effects other wages, wealth inequality and personal debt are soaring but I guess these things don't exist as they don't effect you.

Your original point was arguing against America being a more unstable place to live.
Shall we compared what happens if we lose our jobs?
Shall we compare the maximum we could possible pay for any medical emergency?

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Still missing the point.
The minimum wage effects other wages, wealth inequality and personal debt are soaring but I guess these things don't exist as they don't effect you.

Your original point was arguing against America being a more unstable place to live.
Shall we compared what happens if we lose our jobs?
Shall we compare the maximum we could possible pay for any medical emergency?

I'd argue raising the minimum wage would price out young people, encourage more illegal workers, and give employers an excuse to keep you at that level. Plus less jobs of course, which is what happened in California after they raised it.

 

[ecosse_011172]

I'd argue raising the minimum wage would price out young people, encourage more illegal workers, and give employers an excuse to keep you at that level.

Look at the wealth inequality gap since the minimum wage was frozen, your oligarchs are getting insanely rich and the poorest are getting poorer, the excuses to not pay people decently never change.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Look at the wealth inequality gap since the minimum wage was frozen, your oligarchs are getting insanely rich and the poorest are getting poorer, the excuses to not pay people decently never change.

That's from illegal workers and outsourcing the middle class jobs. Both of which we're starting to fix.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

And I exceed $4,000 a year

 

[CuteFaceJay]

What's that old saying? More money than sense?

It's ok the FED will just print more of it when they need to

$325 is chump change unless you're a REE poster with a bunch of self-diagnosed illnesses. The average person spends more on Starbucks every year.

Good ol Klarna buy now pay over 3 months

 

[Bojji]

That's from illegal workers and outsourcing the middle class jobs. Both of which we're starting to fix.

You believe this bullshit? Who HAS the money? Top 10%, not fucking illegals...

They will find any excuse NOT to raise minimal wage, in the meantime they stack billions of dollars.

 

[ecosse_011172]

That's from illegal workers and outsourcing the middle class jobs. Both of which we're starting to fix.

Sorry, the inequality is due to outsourcing and illegal workers and you're fixing that???

Oh man......

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

You believe this bullshit? Who HAS the money? Top 10%, not fucking illegals...

They will find any excuse NOT to raise minimal wage, in the meantime they stack billions of dollars.

This isn't theoretical, you can see the results from the states that have done this. Like California.
Yes the rich are getting a lot richer from paying illegals slave wages and paying slave wages for jobs overseas.
You're basically arguing for legal slavery. You used to be able to work these middle class jobs and afford a house and family.
Causing more inflation isn't a fix.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

The minimum wage in your country hasn't changed in 16 years but sure, it's people not living within their means that stops them being as fortunate and affluent as you.

That's pretty irrelevant. Many cities/states have their own local minimum wages that are higher than the national, and even then, lots of places start entry-level employees significantly higher than the $7.25 minimum wage.

E.g. Target (very popular Walmart competitor) by me starts people at $17/hr. Panda Express (ubiquitous Chinese fast casual restaurant) as well, and they're both always hiring.

Even McDonald's starts people at $11.20-$14.66 according to Google.

Still not a lot of money, but this idea that people are poor because the minimum wage isn't high enough is nonsense.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Hell my boss even told me, we got a team of 10 Indians, including 1 here to manage them, for the price of 1 of us . . .

We should crack down on the H1B program, to actually just be the best and brightest. Not replacing Americans.

 

[owandeseis]

With house rental taking like 80% of our monthly wage at least in Spain nowadays and the price of everything skyrocketing, it's hardly a surprise.

But at least we're the good ones, allowing all kind of immigration and contaminating much less than the fatties in USA right?

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

What's the best way to get funds in the ps wallet from EU in a US account nowadays?

just go on a game key website like G2A and type the PSN card amount you want, usually it's cheaper than what you're getting.

Amazon works too, Best Buy... it's a digital order so usually you get the card within minutes to redeem

 

[Bojji]

This isn't theoretical, you can see the results from the states that have done this. Like California.
Yes the rich are getting a lot richer from paying illegals slave wages and paying slave wages for jobs overseas.
You're basically arguing for legal slavery. You used to be able to work these middle class jobs and afford a house and family.
Causing more inflation isn't a fix.

They are also paying slave wages for natives.

Trump is part of that 10%, he is not a friend of ordinary citizens.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

They are also paying slave wages for natives.

Trump is part of that 10%, he is not a friend of ordinary citizens.

exactly, and what do you think is keeping the wages down? . . . being able to get cheap labor.

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

The motivations behind player spending in these regions also differ. 34% of North American players spend money to unlock exclusive content, while 29% do so on personalisation/character customization.

Ugh.

The research also reveals that Microtransactions drive 49% of PC and 52% of console revenue in North America, with shooters the favored genre. In Europe, they drive 42% of PC and 51% of console revenue, with sport the top genre. Mobile, however, is "near 100% in-game revenue."

Dreadful data.

 

[ecosse_011172]

I haven't made minimum wage since I was a bag boy at a grocery store when I was 16. The other jobs I had in high school paid over the minimum wage, let alone the jobs during and after college.
Why people obsess about the minimum wage when most jobs pay over it to begin with is just weird. Not the real hill to die on.

Still missing the point.
The minimum wage effects other wages, wealth inequality and personal debt are soaring but I guess these things don't exist as they don't effect you.

That's pretty irrelevant. Many cities/states have their own local minimum wages that are higher than the national, and even then, lots of places start entry-level employees significantly higher than the $7.25 minimum wage.

E.g. Target (very popular Walmart competitor) by me starts people at $17/hr. Panda Express (ubiquitous Chinese fast casual restaurant) as well, and they're both always hiring.

Even McDonald's starts people at $11.20-$14.66 according to Google.

Still not a lot of money, but this idea that people are poor because the minimum wage isn't high enough is nonsense.

 

[Bojji]

exactly, and what do you think is keeping the wages down? . . . being able to get cheap labor.

That is a part of that but it's also greed first and foremost. They can get away with this because they (corporations) have people constantly paying money those in power. Lobbying = corruption.

Removing all illegal immigrants wouldn't make much difference, they would find other excuses.

 

[PeteBull]

And I exceed $4,000 a year

U are elite of the elite, publishers look at u/ur gaming yearly spending and they feel like this:

 

[ecosse_011172]

exactly, and what do you think is keeping the wages down? . . . being able to get cheap labor.

As always, you've been fooled into punching down rather than up.

 

[ecosse_011172]

That is a part of that but it's also greed first and foremost. They can get away with this because they (corporations) have people constantly paying money those in power. Lobbying = corruption.

Removing all illegal immigrants wouldn't make much difference, they would find other excuses.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Yup, take bit above avg 65k usd yearly salary guy and he is literal 1% in my country.

Are you talking gross or net numbers? what skews a lot these comparisons is that in most of Europe easily more than 50% of your salary goes for taxes of some kind. From social security, to normal IRS to sales tax of usually above 20%. In contrast in the US the taxes are pretty fucking negligible in comparison, but the moment you need any kind of safety net, you're mega fucked. Go check what an ambulance and going to an hospital emergency might cost you.

Cost of living can be way higher as well, this eats into real disposable income. Also a culture of living paycheck to paycheck as if that's normal...

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

That is a part of that but it's also greed first and foremost. They can get away with this because they (corporations) have people constantly paying money those in power. Lobbying = corruption.

Removing all illegal immigrants wouldn't make much difference, they would find other excuses.

There's a reason Elon and Vivek squealed like stuck pigs the minute someone brought up changes tot he H1B program.
If you want to stick it to the greedy rich people, make them pay for American citizens.
The illegals going back has already seen positives in the housing market. I'd argue the H1B program is a bigger problem though.
I'd tell people not to "learn to code" anymore. That's literally what India and AI are doing now.