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Gamer_By_Proxy said:
There's a reason Elon and Vivek squealed like stuck pigs the minute someone brought up changes tot he H1B program.
If you want to stick it to the greedy rich people, make them pay for American citizens.
The illegals going back has already seen positives in the housing market. I'd argue the H1B program is a bigger problem though.
I'd tell people not to "learn to code" anymore. That's literally what India and AI are doing now.
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Who is going to do the jobs when you get rid of "the illegals"?
Link to the housing data please? (even though it's totally too early for that to be meaningful)
 
Gamer_By_Proxy said:
People could also live within their means . . . like I could have got a loan for a $500-600k house, and I bought a house under $300k.
I bought a slightly used car that's now paid off. etc.

We should do a better job teaching people to be better with money. Should be a requirement in high school to teach about taxes, investing, interest rates, etc.

Anytime I was a contractor without any benefits, I paid for catastrophic care. Plus there's the max deductible. A lot of the charges from my daughter being born was free cause we already hit the max earlier in the year.
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It's crazy when I hear peoples car payments. I'm talking people who make nearly half of what I do, have no house, and pay double what I do in car payments. I understand in my area we all need a car but we don't all need a suburban. A corolla would be just fine for 99% of these people and last longer.
 
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Gamer_By_Proxy said:
exactly, and what do you think is keeping the wages down? . . . being able to get cheap labor.
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The only way to not be "able" to get cheap labor is mandating a minimum wage that discourages the race to the bottom. Thus the minimum wage should always rise at least in tandem with inflation. Otherwise that minimum wage keeps going lower and lower even if nominally looks the same.
 
ecosse_011172 said:
Who is going to do the jobs when you get rid of "the illegals"?
Link to the housing data please? (even though it's totally too early for that to be meaningful)
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The whole point is they'd have to pay more for these workers and have better working conditions.
Americans will do jobs at American wages. We should not encourage low pay slavery in our country. Hell I'd lock up the people hiring illegals.
Housing is supply and demand. Over a million self deported. That frees up places. Competition brings prices down when more houses are available.
 
Setsuna Mudou said:
The only way to not be "able" to get cheap labor is mandating a minimum wage that discourages the race to the bottom. Thus the minimum wage should always rise at least in tandem with inflation. Otherwise that minimum wage keeps going lower and lower even if nominally looks the same.
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Minimum wage means nothing when they can get illegals and H1B.
That's like paying off some of our countries debt while we're still overspending. Means nothing.
 
Gamer_By_Proxy said:
The whole point is they'd have to pay more for these workers and have better working conditions.
Americans will do jobs at American wages. We should not encourage low pay slavery in our country. Hell I'd lock up the people hiring illegals.
Housing is supply and demand. Over a million self deported. That frees up places. Competition brings prices down when more houses are available.
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The housing price crisis is mostly due to the property market being taken over by large corporations.
 
Gamer_By_Proxy said:
The whole point is they'd have to pay more for these workers and have better working conditions.
Americans will do jobs at American wages. We should not encourage low pay slavery in our country. Hell I'd lock up the people hiring illegals.
Housing is supply and demand. Over a million self deported. That frees up places. Competition brings prices down when more houses are available.
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Very simpleton view of the world economy from a US only lens :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
Gamer_By_Proxy said:
Minimum wage means nothing when they can get illegals and H1B.
That's like paying off some of our countries debt while we're still overspending. Means nothing.
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Mandate minimum wage EVEN if they are hiring abroad. No one needs "illegals" as you put it, when it's perfectly legal to hire a person in Myanmar to work remotely and get paid $1 per hour.
 
Setsuna Mudou said:
The only way to not be "able" to get cheap labor is mandating a minimum wage that discourages the race to the bottom. Thus the minimum wage should always rise at least in tandem with inflation. Otherwise that minimum wage keeps going lower and lower even if nominally looks the same.
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like I said in post 87, federal minimum wage means jack shit because nobody is getting paid that anyway. Supply & demand in the labor market already effectively raised it.

According to Google, only 1.1% of hourly workers in the US are paid the federal minimum wage (compared to 13.4% in 1979).

In 2023, approximately 869,000 hourly workers in the U.S. earned at or below the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour, representing 1.1% of all hourly workers. This number has significantly decreased from previous years, with 81,000 workers earning exactly the federal minimum wage. The percentage of hourly workers earning the federal minimum wage or less has also declined over time, from 13.4% in 1979 to 1.1% in 2023
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Setsuna Mudou said:
Are you talking gross or net numbers? what skews a lot these comparisons is that in most of Europe easily more than 50% of your salary goes for taxes of some kind. From social security, to normal IRS to sales tax of usually above 20%. In contrast in the US the taxes are pretty fucking negligible in comparison, but the moment you need any kind of safety net, you're mega fucked. Go check what an ambulance and going to an hospital emergency might cost you.

Cost of living can be way higher as well, this eats into real disposable income. Also a culture of living paycheck to paycheck as if that's normal...
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Im not american, i dont know exact taxes u guys pay, i know here in poland we pay plenty, basically everything is taxed to hell and back, our salaries, water, food, ofc mortgage is cheap if u decide to live in small flat in a building of very low living standard in very poor/dangerous hood, funny thing is electronics/cars and gas/energy is higher priced than in the US even tho our salaries are roughly 4-5x lower :P

There is a reason german police illegally transports "doctors and engineers" here tru their eastern border, and they do everything possible to go back asap, here salaries are low, basically no(or extremly low, well below even lowest standard of living werfare, not for every1 too) and life is dangerous and hard.

We are only country in the world who has border at the same time with russia, bellarus(basically putin's proxy) and ukraine, most sane ppl dont plan to live here longterm, at least not in norther/eastern part of the country where i was born/live- 60miles to russian border dont give u any kind of safety for example :)
 
I haven't even spent $60 this year. $20 for Resident Evil 7/8 Gold bundle on PSN after I spent $16 on Village Gold off CDkeys a few months prior( that $20 deal was too good to pass up and I wanted to play village on my PS5 as opposed to my Legion Go), and $18 for Minecraft bedrock/Java edition off CDkeys to play with my brother and 7 year old nephew. I'm sure something during black friday will make me part with my money but I doubt I'm breaking $150 this year. If that 2D Terminator game is as good as it looks I'll get that.
 
DonkeyPunchJr said:
like I said in post 87, federal minimum wage means jack shit because nobody is getting paid that anyway. Supply & demand in the labor market already effectively raised it.

According to Google, only 1.1% of hourly workers in the US are paid the federal minimum wage (compared to 13.4% in 1979).
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If it means "nothing" as you said, no problem in raising it too then

edit: also, the reason why not more people earn the federal minimum wage, it's because most states have a state minimum wage that is higher than the federal one. Still 1% is not really nothing, is it?
 
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We have Americans right now on the board that suck the microtransaction dick on a daily basis. We Muricans and Canadians (who I refuse to believe are real people), are straight morons and undereducated at this point.

Sad face or whatever.
 
PeteBull said:
Im not american, i dont know exact taxes u guys pay, i know here in poland we pay plenty, basically everything is taxed to hell and back, our salaries, water, food, ofc mortgage is cheap if u decide to live in small flat in a building of very low living standard in very poor/dangerous hood, funny thing is electronics/cars and gas/energy is higher priced than in the US even tho our salaries are roughly 4-5x lower :P

There is a reason german police illegally transports "doctors and engineers" here tru their eastern border, and they do everything possible to go back asap, here salaries are low, basically no(or extremly low, well below even lowest standard of living werfare, not for every1 too) and life is dangerous and hard.

We are only country in the world who has border at the same time with russia, bellarus(basically putin's proxy) and ukraine, most sane ppl dont plan to live here longterm, at least not in norther/eastern part of the country where i was born/live- 60miles to russian border dont give u any kind of safety for example :)
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Well, not trying to self dox myself, but I do live in Poland too (expat). I think you're painting a really grim picture that's not really reflective of reality in major cities at least. There's a lot of well paid corporate jobs and the country itself is pretty safe. Great quality of life, yes prices are goin up, but that's what happens when salaries are consistently going up too. You have to look at it in the context of where the country came from.

I have a guy on my team that wanted to move to Barcelona or Paris, I gave him the OK, turns out the same position in both locations was paying between 15% to 30% less than what he makes now (net income in this case).

I think it might be a city by city, market by market type of thing, but yeah I deal with mostly well paid professionals so not exactly a fair representation of the average person.
 
I'm an idiot that doesn't live in Poland but had the impression that the economy has been flying and IIRC GDP (trash metric as it is) is expected to overtake the UK by 2030 (taking purchasing parity into account).
 
Everyone needs to focus. The important thing is that anyone talking shit on Gamepass after 5 PM is likely from Europe and should shut the fuck up.
 
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