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ecosse_011172
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Why is it racism?
ShadyAcshuns
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Over there, they use it to "get to the white man" etc. Cringy, I know...
Gamer_By_Proxy
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Mandating minimum wage = hire citizens and have a worker permit program. As long as there is under the table labor, there will be cheap labor. Need it all on the books with improved working conditions.
H1B should be limited to just skills we can't fill in America or need more of. So replacing these low level IT job workers wouldn't happen. Disney made their IT staff train their replacements to get their severance. H1B was not meant to replace working Americans with cheaper foreigners.
Hiring outside the country should be minimal.
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ecosse_011172
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Bojji
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You think wages would increase in any significant way?
Trash terminology or not, those guys (10%) are standing on that balcony and laughing:
When people at the bottom are fighting each other over some right and left (red/blue) things, racism, woke stuff, illegal migrants etc.
They don't want folks to notice the real crime here, that most of the wealth is in their possession and regular people are just battling for scraps.
ecosse_011172
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I've only known it to refer to the rich (oligarchs, politicians etc.) who benefit from the people below then, although they are usually white.
I'm a Scottish redhead so it's barely possible to be whiter.
ShadyAcshuns
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And all the protesting in the world isn't going to change that. It's always been that way and always will be.You think wages would increase in any significant way?
Trash terminology or not, those guys (10%) are standing on that balcony and laughing:
When people at the bottom are fighting each other over some right and left (red/blue) things, racism, woke stuff, illegal migrants etc.
They don't want folks to notice the real crime here, that most of the wealth is in their possession and regular people are just battling for scraps.
ecosse_011172
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Exactly this.You think wages would increase in any significant way?
Trash terminology or not, those guys (10%) are standing on that balcony and laughing:
When people at the bottom are fighting each other over some right and left (red/blue) things, racism, woke stuff, illegal migrants etc.
They don't want folks to notice the real crime here, that most of the wealth is in their possession and regular people are just battling for scraps.
Setsuna Mudou
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Again, open your horizons a bit, the economy is global, so stop referring to America as if the only valid jobs are the ones done by Americans. American products are sold all over the world as well as non-American products are sold in America. It's a world economy.
I proposed the correct solution... any company should follow minimum wage rules, regardless of where they source their workforce from. If you want to use the American standard, fine, no American company should be allowed to pay their workers less than federal minimum wage, even if the worker is a located in India, Vietnam or the Moon. That way only the best worker will get the job and there's no more "illegals" issue.
ecosse_011172
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So you're happy to have less and less money (and rights) as Elon Musk and his ilk get more and more?
The current levels of inequality are unknown in modern history.
ShadyAcshuns
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No, of course not, but the usual ways of fighting back don't work. We need different approaches, like using shady actions.
ecosse_011172
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No, of course not, but the usual ways of fighting back don't work. We need different approaches, like using shady actions.
diffusionx
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again, do you understand that labor is a market? Do you understand that it is big companies and rich people that support open borders, used them to break strikes, etc.? Do you understand that a larger labor pool and free flow of labor overwhelmingly benefits them and increases their wealth?You think wages would increase in any significant way?
Trash terminology or not, those guys (10%) are standing on that balcony and laughing:
When people at the bottom are fighting each other over some right and left (red/blue) things, racism, woke stuff, illegal migrants etc.
They don't want folks to notice the real crime here, that most of the wealth is in their possession and regular people are just battling for scraps.
You can go back to "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair, who was a socialist, to read about this. The way the "system" got leftists to get on board with their own disenfranchisement/impoverishment and support it is one of its greatest tricks.
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mayham2199
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We can start handing out work visas to let people come in and do the work and then leave. I wasn't sure about this at first but during Covid I realized one thing. When businesses can't find anyone to do the job they keep raising the salary until someone applies. I was shocked at how much pay was going up in my area. I even got a 20k raise and I'm just in the IT field. The company told me they couldn't get anyone to stick around.
Impotaku
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I blame swicth 3rd parties there's literally games coming out every few weeks i have a small stack on order each month it never lets up. Single handedly keeping the Japanese economy afloat via imports lol. Even worse if i add in the gaming merch & hobby stuff.You must feel like
Gamer_By_Proxy
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I didn't mention it cause it's not the problem. Nothing I said would change anything about workers or products in other counties working for an American company.
ShadyAcshuns
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Their biggest triumph is setting us against each other with divisive politics like race, sexual identity etc. so that we lose focus of what they're doing, and instead fight one another over petty issues. It's a brilliant strategy tbo and one we'll likely never overcome.
Bojji
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Of course it was like that, but look how it looked before 1995 compared to now (I post this for the third time now, lol):
That's quite massive % difference and that is just 30 years.... The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.
ecosse_011172
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So you make it less attractive for people to come and do the work?
ecosse_011172
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ecosse_011172
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The divisiveness I agree with and the pettiness but not the politics.
Anyway, we should punch upwards not downwards.
ShadyAcshuns
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You do you. I'm just content to live outside of their rules and regulations and just carve out my own way of doing things.
diffusionx
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this is largely a monetary phenomenon - QE starting in the Obama years and massive inflation post-coof going to asset bubbles. It's largely paper wealth denominated in an increasingly worthless paper. I agree it's a problem but again, it's on paper. The alternative would be even worse inflation than what we actually got. Yet to the extent it's a real problem, if you really think the government is going to fix a problem the government is making and fix it while the government continues to exacerbate it then I have a bridge to sell you.Of course it was like that, but look how it looked before 1995 compared to now (I post this for the third time now, lol):
That's quite massive % difference and that is just 30 years.... The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.
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ecosse_011172
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What does that mean?
ShadyAcshuns
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Bojji
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I don't think this registers as a "problem" for US government. This is how the system is supposed to work, GDP still goes up no matter who owns the money.
Inflation problem started way before Obama.
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Kenneth Haight
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Smart Europeans
Kenneth Haight
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PeteBull
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I tell u how it looks in poorer areas of the country for majority of normal(aka poor)ppl, hell if u can be polish 10%er u will enjoy live here no probs, u are considered rich
Average Salary in Poland In Details [ Salary Data ] - Flowace.ai
Average Salary in Poland 2024: A Comprehensive Blog on Poland’s Average Salary, Median, and Minimum Pay, as well as its Growing Business in 2024.
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Thats still before taxes ofc.
After taxes its only 4778pln so 1306usd
6540 zł brutto ile to netto
Oblicz swoje wynagrodzenie netto dla kwoty 6540 zł brutto. Tutaj sprawdzisz wysokość swoich zarobków w zależności od rodzaju umowy.
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Think of it as this- when u and ur buddies sit comfortably and eat expensive steak dinner at 4 or 5 star restaurant, does that mean world hunger doesnt exist? Thats why ur/ur buddies experiences being true doesnt have any bearing on how majority(51%) of the country is.
We got top1 richest guy in the world, who is from south africa, our dearest friend elon(some ppl love him, some hate him, i dont really care) but does that mean africa as a whole continent, or even south africa as a country isnt extremly poor?
Economy of South Africa - Wikipedia
Setsuna Mudou
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You didn't mention because you don't realize the same global market that allows American companies to sell their products and make a lot of profit is the same global market they will use to source their employees. You can't both mandate a 100% American workforce but somehow expect other countries to keep their market open for such company to sell their product to.
Besides, it's in the interest of each corporation to minimize costs. The only way they will not hire an extremely low wage worker, is if there are rules preventing them to. Nothing to do with illegals of any kind, which makes your argument absolutely null and void.
Apple can and will hire people in Vietnam to make the Iphones, unless they were forced by law to pay a minimum age that matches the American one. Have yet to hear why this solution wouldn't address your concern.
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Punished Miku
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Just Gamefly alone puts him well above Europe, so add GP to that. And he's never lectured anyone about spendingadamsapple has a GameFly and gamepass sub, he mustn't be contributing much more than that.
and he definitely buys stuff on top of that.
Kenneth Haight
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I am merely jesting. I know they're a true "gamer"Just Gamefly alone puts him well above Europe, so add GP to that. And he's never lectured anyone about spending
i don't think spending money on every new release is a smart idea. You have to make the developers work for the cash these days. There are only a small handful of games I would buy day one nowadays. Everything I am happy to wait and buy on sale.
TerribleAtThisGame
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I'm more baffled that people know what they spend on games. I don't even have a ballpark figure I could conjure up. I just know I'm cheap as fuck and buy most things on sales.
Setsuna Mudou
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I can tell you quite a few shit ways in which people are screwed with Polish taxation. The fact you don't really have a progressive taxation means if you make over $30k or so per year, you're on the same tax bracket as someone making $1M a year. Most western European countries have a more gradual slope until you're at that extreme end of the tax bracket.I tell u how it looks in poorer areas of the country for majority of normal(aka poor)ppl, hell if u can be polish 10%er u will enjoy live here no probs, u are considered rich
Average Salary in Poland In Details [ Salary Data ] - Flowace.ai
Average Salary in Poland 2024: A Comprehensive Blog on Poland’s Average Salary, Median, and Minimum Pay, as well as its Growing Business in 2024.
Thats still before taxes ofc.
After taxes its only 4778pln so 1306usd
What can u do in poland with 4778pln? Almost can afford worst cooling/quality rtx 50806540 zł brutto ile to netto
Oblicz swoje wynagrodzenie netto dla kwoty 6540 zł brutto. Tutaj sprawdzisz wysokość swoich zarobków w zależności od rodzaju umowy.zarobki.pracuj.pl
That is literally full 1 month of ur hard work here for majority of ppl.Inno3D GeForce RTX 5080 X3 16GB GDDR7 DLSS4 (N50803-16D7-176068N) - Karta graficzna - Morele.net
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Think of it as this- when u and ur buddies sit comfortably and eat expensive steak dinner at 4 or 5 star restaurant, does that mean world hunger doesnt exist? Thats why ur/ur buddies experiences being true doesnt have any bearing on how majority(51%) of the country is.
We got top1 richest guy in the world, who is from south africa, our dearest friend elon(some ppl love him, some hate him, i dont really care) but does that mean africa as a whole continent, or even south africa as a country isnt extremly poor?
Economy of South Africa - Wikipedia
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I make very good money and yes, it fucking sucks to see almost 50% of it disappear. I have no fucking clue how people cope with the price of services these days when they make "normal" wages and get taxed in the same bracket as me.
I don't think it's a good comparison to add costs of Nvidia GPUs because they are already overpriced from the start, but it's true that then currency conversions, even with a strong Euro tend to fuck the user more. You have to take into account that in Europe the advertised price is with VAT included, while in the US you pay sales tax separately. So if you would take away 23% of the cost, that would go a long way to make things more affordable.
Just don't be overly negative, yes the median take away salary is lower here than the US, but there are plenty of things that you take for granted that the normal US citizen can't even conceive. The fact you know that if you get sick or have an accident you can simply be treated for no cost, without worrying about insurance or what your insurance does or doesn't cover, that's a big plus too. You're not expected to tip every single service you get, I think that's he hidden VAT in the US
Kacho
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calico
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True for me tbh (UK). There are usually only a couple of ~AAA games per year now that I feel I must play as soon as they launch. Everything else I get heavily discounted or it's just cheap in the first place. I spend zero on mtx or game subscriptions.
Make better games and I'll spend more, but there aren't many great studios anymore and they release a game every ~8 years or so.
Make better games and I'll spend more, but there aren't many great studios anymore and they release a game every ~8 years or so.
simpatico
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More people die in Europe from lack of air conditioning than die in America from gun violence. The Euro-Poor meme remains undefeated. Anytime I see people talking salary over there I'm horrified how little they make for jobs I know the pay of here. UK especially. "Oi mate you're a mechanical engineer. How does 38,000 quid per year sound?"
I love my Euro bros. They're stewards of my ancestral homeland. Sure they could do a better job at stewarding that, but when I post something like this, it should be noted that I love you guys and want to see conditions improve.
I love my Euro bros. They're stewards of my ancestral homeland. Sure they could do a better job at stewarding that, but when I post something like this, it should be noted that I love you guys and want to see conditions improve.
Nocty
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you are surprised? most of europe is 30% of the average income of the usa.
I personally spend maybe £120-150 a year on gaming, very rarely I buy games new.
ShadyAcshuns
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Problem is, you guys only buy shitty AC games and annual Fifa roster updates.
Punished Miku
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cireza
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Overall, this is still better than paying for shitty microtransactions, "digital currency" or pay to win options.
I still love you American bros
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Kacho
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When's that next paycheck coming through, baller?I knew I wasn't the average gamer.
ecosse_011172
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