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[BinaryPork2737]

Regardless of who did this, it's still awful, at least no one was killed. All this will do is embolden radical elements.

I'm sure Trump will use this incident as justification for his election observers to stalk and intimidate minorities at polling stations.

 

[Byakuya769]

Hope the perps are quickly caught and glad no one was injured it appears.

 

[rjinaz]

The left is prone to violence, so I don't understand why the most logical conclusion for some is that it was a false flag. It makes us sound like the right-wing nutjobs on AboveTopSecret.

Tell us how you really feel I guess?

I think Trump and many of his supporters are nutso, but even I wouldn't make this generalization about them.

 

[BobLoblaw]

Not like this. You've just given Trump and his Deplorables more fuel.

Inside job (i.e. backwards B)? Good thing that no one was injured, but violence/intimidation almost always goes hand in hard with the republican party,

 

[Joe]

Don't forget: 3 months ago a federal court struck down North Carolina's Voter ID Law, which was spearheaded by the NC GOP, and said of the law "the new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision".

 

[Jawbreaker]

Tell us how you really feel I guess?

I think Trump and many of his supporters are nutso, but even I wouldn't make this generalization about them.

I'm a libertarian socialist that has been around anarchist circles/participated in protests that have gotten violent. I really feel that the left can be violent in trying to achieve political goals. I'm not speaking from a place of ignorance, so don't even try to imply there's some sort of agenda behind my words.

 

[Volimar]

This thread is a mess.



Glad no one got hurt but I think we should wait until there's some sort of evidence before jumping to conclusions.

 

[Durden77]

This is horrible. The way this election has not only radicalized Republicans, but Democrats as well which should be looked at with just as much scrutiny is just awful. I'm ashamed of us.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

Fuck. Glad nobody was hurt.

Please don't let there be retaliation. Let's end it with this stupid act.

 

[Lubricus]

Putin did it.

 

[rjinaz]

I'm a libertarian socialist that has been around anarchist circles/participated in protests that have gotten violent. I really feel that the left can be violent in trying to achieve political goals. I'm not speaking from a place of ignorance.

ok but what you said still doesn't make any sense. You said "the left". Generalizing and encompassing every aspect of it and all of their supporters. You didn't say anything about protests or even try to make it more specific. No, "the Left" is not prone to violence despite your anecdotes.

 

[Alavard]

I'm a libertarian socialist that has been around anarchist circles/participated in protests that have gotten violent. I really feel that the left can be violent in trying to achieve political goals. I'm not speaking from a place of ignorance, so don't even try to imply there's some sort of agenda behind my words.

Your initial post was that the left is 'prone' to violence. Now you're stating that they 'can' be violent. Which is it? Because those words mean different things.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

I'm a libertarian socialist that has been around anarchist circles/participated in protests that have gotten violent. I really feel that the left can be violent in trying to achieve political goals. I'm not speaking from a place of ignorance.

Don't know about the US, but in Germany the extreme left is actually repsonsible for way more crime then the extreme right. Its just that the extreme rights crimes are often terroristic of nature, murders, the burning down of refugee shelters or beating of minorities, while the extreme lefts crimes are usually throwing stones at police or into the windows of a bank.

 

[theWB27]

lol if you think Republicans have been the most threatening this election.

Ill accept being set straight.

Oh, burn.

I also don't find a real problem thinking that after being called Nazi/Hitler/fascist/etc. for months (or in the case of Republicans generally, years), someone would take that rhetoric to heart and do something stupid. Just my $.02.

That's fine. I'm not going after your line of thought though. Nothing wrong with speculating.

 

[Jawbreaker]

ok but what you said still doesn't make any sense. You said "the left". Generalizing and encompassing every aspect of it and all of their supporters. You didn't say anything about protests or even try to make it more specific. No, "the Left" is not prone to violence despite your anecdotes.

Your initial post was that the left is 'prone' to violence. Now you're stating that they 'can' be violent. Which is it? Because those words mean different things.

I should have been more specific, sorry. When I said "the left," I was thinking of more "radical" leftists, of course. It would be silly to say the majority of leftists or righties are politically violent.

 

[Aztechnology]

Depends on who did it.

Exactly.

//to be clear I believe the far left, or at least people utilizing the rhetoric is just as likely to have done it as the far right.

 

[.Detective.]

I think the Republican party as a whole are scum, but this is not the way to express your anger or opinion of them. Thankfully no one was hurt or killed as a result of this stupid act.

But as others have said, hopefully this doesn't make the delusional parties who already support Trump, to double down even further.

And if this was just an inside job tactic..... I have no words.....

 

[takriel]

fucking morons, lock them up

 

[Aureon]

Welp. Not a good look. Whatever this was right or left extremists, it's absurd and detrimental to the political climate as a whole.

Less than 25 posts before the "They did it themselves" conspiracy theory pops up. Good job!

False flag operations aren't exactly rare by political entities.

 

[rjinaz]

I should have been more specific, sorry. When I said "the left," I was thinking of more "radical" leftists, of course.

Ok, but then are not radicals of any group prone to violence? Why target the Left specifically to make a point?

 

[Jawbreaker]

Ok, but then are not radicals of any group prone to violence? Why target the Left specifically to make a point?

Because the implication in the thread with the false flag accusations is that a radical leftist couldn't have possibly perpetrated this, which is absurd.

 

[Imperfected]

This is completely unacceptable behavior, regardless of who did it or why.

Violence is the cancer that kills aging democracies. There's no place for it in a working democratic system.

 

[Ponn]

ok but what you said still doesn't make any sense. You said "the left". Generalizing and encompassing every aspect of it and all of their supporters. You didn't say anything about protests or even try to make it more specific. No, "the Left" is not prone to violence despite your anecdotes.

I mean, I don't think anyone should be acting like it couldn't go either way here. And I think it would be silly to take a hard stance either way on this particular incident. Also lets not look at the past months through rose colored glasses. We have a lot of "the left" vitriol on this very board getting downright nasty to people not voting Hillary or third party. We have had defense of riots at Trump rallies by "the left" as tit for tat and necessary. This whole thing has been risen to life or death rhetoric levels. I'm not going to argue if people are right or wrong feeling that way, but lets not pretend shit isn't crazy right now.

Because the implication in the thread with the false flag accusations is that a radical leftist couldn't have possibly perpetrated this, which is absurd.

That is not the implication by most in this thread. You are also seeing what you want to see.

 

[diehard]

And I see that the people in this thread who helped perpetrate the hoax met a similar fate.

You must not have been reading GAF for long if you think people being banned in a 2008 thread has to do with that specific thread.

 

[Cerium]

You must not have been reading GAF for long if you think people being banned in a 2008 thread has to do with that specific thread.

The OP's post history is instructive reading.

Really gives a good sense of the type of person who cares deeply about pushing this stuff.

 

[Fudgepuppy]

Anyone writing tinfoil posts about the GOP doing this, please get out.

It's ridiculous and ruining any chance for decent political discourse.

 

[Aztechnology]

Less than 25 posts before the "They did it themselves" conspiracy theory pops up. Good job!

While I doubt it was an inside job I definitely wouldn't put it past some or the people on Pol on 4chan for instance to do something like this as an attempt to spark controversy. Could have just as easily been anarchist type people or far left people as well.

Basically nobody freaking knows so usually you have to go off of motive. I really only know two groups that would have motive and one benefits much more than the other in this circumstance. I think that's just kind of the logic trail people are following.

Anyone writing tinfoil posts about the GOP doing this, please get out.

It's ridiculous and ruining any chance for decent political discourse.

I don't really understand what discussion there is to have here. This was wrong to do regardless of the party involved. We're glad they are safe and nobody got hurt. End of thread? //pun not intended.

 

[Hip Hop]

Ill accept being set straight.

Just one or two examples.

Also lets not look at the past months through rose colored glasses. We have a lot of "the left" vitriol on this very board getting downright nasty to people not voting Hillary or third party. We have had defense of riots at Trump rallies by the left

With Violence

 

[Geist-]

I guess this is what happens when people start to believe the hyperbole spewed by both sides. People get so riled up by the rhetoric that they start to believe that peaceful solutions are no longer viable.

It's so sad that it's come to this.

 

[rjinaz]

I mean, I don't think anyone should be acting like it couldn't go either way here. And I think it would be silly to take a hard stance either way on this particular incident. Also lets not look at the past months through rose colored glasses. We have a lot of "the left" vitriol on this very board getting downright nasty to people not voting Hillary or third party. We have had defense of riots at Trump rallies by "the left" as tit for tat and necessary. This whole thing has been risen to life or death rhetoric levels. I'm not going to argue if people are right or wrong feeling that way, but lets not pretend shit isn't crazy right now.



That is not the implication by most in this thread. You are also seeing what you want to see.

Yeah I really don't have a stance here to be honest. For what it is, it looks like it was done by angry Democratic supporters. I'm sure the police will figure it out at any rate.

 

[Jawbreaker]

I mean, I don't think anyone should be acting like it couldn't go either way here. And I think it would be silly to take a hard stance either way on this particular incident. Also lets not look at the past months through rose colored glasses. We have a lot of "the left" vitriol on this very board getting downright nasty to people not voting Hillary or third party. We have had defense of riots at Trump rallies by "the left" as tit for tat and necessary. This whole thing has been risen to life or death rhetoric levels. I'm not going to argue if people are right or wrong feeling that way, but lets not pretend shit isn't crazy right now.



That is not the implication by most in this thread. You are also seeing what you want to see.

No, I'm seeing what multiple people have posted, which is implying or straight out saying that it was a false flag. That is who I am addressing, not anyone else. If it were one or two posts that'd be one thing, but there have been quite a few.

 

[Aaron]

Anyone writing tinfoil posts about the GOP doing this, please get out.

It's ridiculous and ruining any chance for decent political discourse.

Trump is losing NC and his followers aren't shy about turning on the GOP establishment for not pushing their candidate hard enough. The sensible thing to do is not make any assumptions about the political affiliation of the arsonists.

 

[radios shipping overview]

Sad to see this. I'm glad nobody was hurt. I hope they catch whoever is responsible.

 

[theWB27]

Anyone writing tinfoil posts about the GOP doing this, please get out.

It's ridiculous and ruining any chance for decent political discourse.

In a thread about an attack that we don't know who did it?

Just one or two examples.



With Violence

The post is what I'm taking?

 

[Toxi]

Glad to hear nobody was hurt.

I'm kinda surprised that the fire didn't do more damage before going out; is that normal for a fire in a building? I'm guessing the headquarters were made of sturdier stuff than wood.

 

[Baron von Loathsome]

Anyone writing tinfoil posts about the GOP doing this, please get out.

It's ridiculous and ruining any chance for decent political discourse.

Indeed. Don't blame one side of the political spectrum or the other until we at least know who the perpetrator is.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Indeed. Don't blame one side of the political spectrum or the other until we at least know who the perpetrator is.

Which is what plenty have said. Weird that some folks are getting so touchy about it..

 

[Aurongel]

This is disgusting behavior regardless of who perpetrated it and making wild accusations before we have more details is idiotic at best and irresponsible at worst.

 

[Fudgepuppy]

In a thread about an attack that we don't know who did it?

Doesn't matter how much it would "make sense" of it being caused by a GOP'er, making those assumptions with no evidence, just ruins everything for everyone.

You hate it when GOP'ers make outrageous claims about Clinton without any evidence? Then be the better person and keep that sensationalist fluff out of the discourse.

 

[JoeBoy101]

Which is what plenty have said. Weird that some folks are getting so touchy about it..

Weird that people are getting touchy over 'just asking questions'?

Hmmm, I recall that happening in OTHER threads.

On topic, this is ridiculous shit. The GOP in NC is a cesspoll, but nothing warrants this.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Yeah, I'm sorry.

Lets wait for more evidence. It doesn't matter what party you belong to, doing this should have severe consequences.

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

Bible Belt is where this would end up happening. Their anti gay laws and everything else make sense for a pissed leftist to go over the edge. Sure it's not above Trump supporters to do this but why would that be an assumption? The left has gotten violent a lot this entire campaign, and most of it is warranted but this is by no means beyond either group. And if this were to happen by the hands of the extreme left.... Well NC makes a lot of sense.

 

[Velcro Fly]

This country seems like it is teetering on the brink of something truly horrible happening. All of us just need to be better people.

 

[Nipo]

Horrible. Whether it is a false flag or not I hope whoever did it is captured and punished.

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

This country seems like it is teetering on the brink of something truly horrible happening. All of us just need to be better people.

Well said.

 

[transience]

Bible Belt is where this would end up happening. Their anti gay laws and everything else make sense for a pissed leftist to go over the edge. Sure it's not above Trump supporters to do this but why would that be an assumption? The left has gotten violent a lot this entire campaign, and most of it is warranted but this is by no means beyond either group. And if this were to happen by the hands of the extreme left.... Well NC makes sense.

Sorry but you're wrong. Orange County votes overwhelmingly democratic. I looked up the numbers -- 72% Obama in 08, 70% in 12. We had like 10-1 vote totals on the dem primary than the GOP one.

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

Sorry but you're wrong. Orange County votes overwhelmingly democratic. I looked up the numbers -- 72% Obama in 08, 70% in 12. We had like 10-1 vote totals on the dem primary than the GOP one.

What am I wrong about? Lol. NC is far from a progressive state. Are you disagreeing with this?

 

[theWB27]

Doesn't matter how much it would "make sense" of it being caused by a GOP'er, making those assumptions with no evidence, just ruins everything for everyone.

You hate it when GOP'ers make outrageous claims about Clinton without any evidence? Then be the better person and keep that sensationalist fluff out of the discourse.

Actually I think I participate about policies and the other acts rather than what is said about Clinton herself. You're acting like someone said -Trump set up a super secret pact and made them attack this place. Who knows how many Trump has set up!-

There's nothing sensationalist thinking someone could do what some think in here. I have no problem discussing this if you want to stop being a mod.

 

[transience]

In the specific area where you're mentioning? Yeah, you're wrong.

 

[DragonSworne]

Sorry but you're wrong. Orange County votes overwhelmingly democratic. I looked up the numbers -- 72% Obama in 08, 70% in 12. We had like 10-1 vote totals on the dem primary than the GOP one.

Isn't this the NC GOP headquarter? What does the county voting habits have to do with the building's location?