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[gaugebozo]

Kim's been pissed at China for awhile now, and China's been pissed at Kim. I'm not sure they have much pull with them anymore.



We don't have reliable anti-icbm systems. If we did get nuked by North Korea, the most immediate way to prevent further nukes would be to launch ICBMs back. We wouldn't bother with a conventional war.

But if it did somehow end up as a conventional war, North Korea has the 4th largest millitary(Ironically, it's larger than China's). It would be bloody.

How would they use those troops? There's no way they could end up in a conventional war. The second they get in formation, they're MOAB'd from the stratosphere. They have absolutely nothing to combat our drones, and would have to resort to guerilla warfare. Food supplies don't last forever.

 

[pulsemyne]

Ah looks like this mornings attempt was a bit of a fuck up.

 

[n64coder]

That doesnt matter, they are not even well fed, most of their weapons are old Russian WW2 stuff. If convectional war does happen, US can finish the job within days. They wouldn't even have to send their soldiers on ground. Airforce Airforce and Airforce.

People think this will be easy but it's not. Witness the Russians in Afghanistan, US in Iraq, Isis. These countries all had primitive weapons but because of guerrilla warfare, the enemy is able to continue fighting for years.

 

[Joezie]

But if it did somehow end up as a conventional war, North Korea has the 4th largest millitary(Ironically, it's larger than China's). It would be bloody.

Iraq was also the world's 4th most powerful military in the world . Then Desert storm happened. Then later we went back to Iraq, and similar results followed.

 

[AmyS]

Iraq was also the world's 4th most powerful military in the world . Then Desert storm happened. Then later we went back to Iraq, and similarly the conventional Army was mostly gone within 3-4 months.

This.

 

[Kaiken]

 

[The Real Abed]

What is this, a comic strip for ants?

 

[Uhyve]

Not that simple. They have South Korea in artillery range. They'd turn Seoul to rubble in minutes.

Always kinda wondered why we can't have a bunch of drones bomb the crap out of their artillery installations, like all of them at the same time.

 

[TAJ]

Recently, when the public largely realized it makes things worse.



So would the rest of the world, since China would not like having nuclear fallout on our behalf. And that's really the only thing that's scary about it, is IF they felt threatened enough to do so (basically if a Kim feels the end is in sight) and they press that button, the entire world would never be the same.

If NK launched and we said to China "We're ending NK right now. You can either let it go or the world can die." China would back down.
MAD is only remotely valid in the event of a major nuclear power launching a nuclear strike on another major nuclear power.

 

[Square2015]

South Korea, Japan, US warn Pyongyang over possible nuclear test

Seoul (AFP) - South Korea, Japan and the United States on Tuesday warned North Korea of harsher sanctions and deeper isolation if it went ahead with a fifth nuclear test or other provocations.

The warning, which followed a trilateral meeting of top diplomatic officials, came amid growing speculation that Pyongyang is in the final stages of preparing an underground nuclear detonation at its Punggye-ri test site.

Such a move would be a dramatic act of defiance by North Korea in the face of strong UN sanctions imposed after its most recent nuclear test in January.

"If North Korea conducts another provocation despite the international community's repeated warnings, it will face even stronger sanctions and deeper isolation," said South Korea's Vice Foreign Minister Lim Sung-Nam.

Lim was briefing reporters after talks with his US and Japanese counterparts, Tony Blinken and Akitaka Saiki.

"We will not tolerate another provocation by North Korea," Lim said.

South Korean President Park Geun-Hye told her cabinet Monday that intelligence sources had detected signs that Pyongyang was preparing a new test, an assessment echoed the same day by her defence ministry.

North Korea is gearing up for a rare and much-hyped ruling party congress early next month, at which leader Kim Jong-Un is expected to take credit for pushing the country's nuclear weapons programme to new heights.

Numerous analysts have suggested the regime might carry out a fifth nuclear test as a display of strength just before the congress opens.

Describing North Korea as the region's "most acute threat," Blinken said the US and its two key Asian allies had agreed to expand cooperation on sanctions implementation in response to the North's "provocative and destabilising behaviour."

The sanctions agreed by the UN Security Council after the North's January 6 test were the toughest imposed to date on North Korea over its nuclear weapons programme.

Blinken said the measures were only just beginning to bite and it would take time for North Korea to really feel the extra pressure.

"If North Korea undertakes additional provocations, the existing Security Council resolutions call for additional significant measures ... so that's exactly what the international community would do," he added.

 

[Square2015]

I want to keep this thread alive with updates, this in an ongoing situation.

Obama: The U.S. ‘Could Destroy North Korea,’ But Won’t

SEOUL/WASHINGTON, April 26 (Reuters) - North Korea appears to be preparing a test-launch of an intermediate-range ballistic missile, South Korea’s Yonhap news agency said on Tuesday, after what the United States described as the “fiery, catastrophic” failure of the first attempt.

Separately, President Barack Obama said the United States is working on defending itself and its allies against potential threats from what he called an “erratic” country with an “irresponsible” leader.

On April 15, the North failed to launch what was likely a Musudan missile, with a range of more than 3,000 km (1,800 miles), meaning it could, if launched successfully, hit Japan and also theoretically put the U.S. territory of Guam within range.

The Musudan missile, which can be fired from a mobile launcher, is not known to have been successfully flight-tested.

In a CBS interview that aired on Tuesday, Obama said the United States “is spending a lot more time positioning our missile development systems, so that even as we try to resolve the underlying problem of nuclear development inside of North Korea, we’re also setting up a shield that can at least block the relatively low-level threats that they’re posing now.”


North Korea tested its fourth nuclear bomb on Jan. 6 and launched a long-range rocket on Feb. 7, both in defiance of U.N. resolutions. On Saturday, the North conducted a test of a submarine-launched ballistic missile.

“There are indications that the North may fire a Musudan missile that it launched and failed on Kim Il Sung’s birthday on April 15,” Yonhap quoted an unnamed government official as saying. Kim Il Sung is the North’s founder.

North and South Korea remain technically at war after their 1950-53 conflict ended in a truce, rather than a treaty. The North, whose lone major ally is neighbor China, routinely threatens to destroy South Korea and its major ally, the United States.

Obama said there “was no easy solution” to the North Korean threat, adding that while the United States “could destroy North Korea with our arsenals” there would not only be humanitarian costs but also a potential impact on South Korea.

The April 15 failure was seen as an embarrassing blow for current leader Kim Jong Un, Kim Il Sung’s grandson, who has claimed several advances in weapons technology in recent months and is widely expected to conduct a fifth nuclear test soon.

South Korean Defence Ministry spokesman Moon Sang-gyun declined to confirm the Yonhap report but said the North’s military would likely spend some time trying to fix the problem following the failed launch.

Experts see North Korea’s Musudan test as part of an effort to develop an intercontinental ballistic missile that can reach the mainland United States.

“They are erratic enough, their leader is personally irresponsible enough that we don’t want them getting close” to obtaining such weapons, Obama told CBS.

North Korea said its nuclear test in January was a hydrogen bomb, although that claim has been disputed by foreign governments and experts given the relatively small size of the blast.

North Korea said its submarine-launched ballistic missile test on Saturday was a “great success” that provided “one more means for powerful nuclear attack.”

South Korea on Tuesday described the test, which sent a missile traveling about 30 km (18 miles), as a partial success.

The United States and South Korea began talks on possible deployment of a new missile-defense system, the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD), after the latest North Korea nuclear and rocket tests.

Expanded U.N. sanctions aimed at starving North Korea of funds for its nuclear weapons program were approved in a unanimous Security Council vote in early March on a resolution drafted by the United States and China. (Reporting by Jack Kim in Seoul; Additional reporting by Susan Heavey in Washington; Editing by Nick Macfie)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-north-korea_us_571f612ee4b0b49df6a8de92?

 

[leroidys]

Bump: North Korea's Kim says close to test launch of ICBM http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN14L0RN

 

[Roubjon]

If the world turns into a Nuclear Wasteland before KH3 is released I'm going to be pissed.

 

[Polari]

Bump: North Korea's Kim says close to test launch of ICBM http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN14L0RN

No worries - come January 20th the US will have its own hothead in power. Trump won't hesitate to lob over a few of his own over next time Kim Jong-Un tries to pull this shit.

I'm going to South Korea in February though, so hopefully he waits until at least March.

 

[Master Yoshi]

I'm more afraid of Trump as a threat than I'll ever be of North Korea, no matter how validated their newest threats may be.

 

[Frozenprince]

"Kim's latest attempt to get more food from the US met with general apathy"

 

[madstarr12]

Lol, they shouldn't even bother, Donald will probably shoot down each person that made him angry in the US with the arsenal we have, which will pretty much wipe us out.

 

[Pankratous]

I don't understand how another country "guaranteeing" a nuclear attack isn't a declaration of war. Why isn't America in there fucking him over?

 

[rjinaz]

Ok NK it's no longer worth it. Trump is president now. Think of your people.

I don't understand how another country "guaranteeing" a nuclear attack isn't a declaration of war. Why isn't America in there fucking him over?

Part of me feels like we should. Nuclear threats should always be taken seriously.

 

[Netherscourge]

Honestly, I'm more worried about Trump nuking NK than I am Kim nuking the US.

Trump was more than willing to go full Nuclear Arms race just a week ago.

Taking out NK would be a huge ego stroke for Trump.

 

[perfectchaos007]

Honestly, I'm more worried about Trump nuking NK than I am Kim nuking the US.

Trump was more than willing to go full Nuclear Arms race just a week ago.

Taking out NK would be a huge ego stroke for Trump.

He won't nuke DPRK but its not a bad thing to make North Korea uncomfortable for once.

 

[Sunster]

I don't understand how another country "guaranteeing" a nuclear attack isn't a declaration of war. Why isn't America in there fucking him over?

what would we gain?

 

[WorldStar]

That's cute

 

[Kusagari]

I don't understand how another country "guaranteeing" a nuclear attack isn't a declaration of war. Why isn't America in there fucking him over?

Because South Korea will be ravaged before NK is wiped out.

 

[commedieu]

I support gut checking them. Sooner or later they are going to get brazen if the international community never does anything.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Great. Just as America is getting a lunatic for President. This is going to go downhill fast.

 

[commedieu]

Great. Just as America is getting a lunatic for President. This is going to go downhill fast.

on second thought, I'm not sure NK even gets Twitter though....

 

[Pankratous]

what would we gain?

You gain the status of not being actively threatened by nukes?

 

[Sunster]

You gain the status of not being actively threatened by nukes?

If we were actually threatened we'd be there now.

 

[R10Neymarfan]

If the world turns into a Nuclear Wasteland before KH3 is released I'm going to be pissed.

Me too. I would find either a way to get into Square's Osaka offices to steal the unfinished game and release it or find the worlds best hackers to grab it. There is no way I would die from nuclear fallout without finishing that story. Too invested.

 

[E92 M3]

North Korea is the 8 year old from Call of Duty that has claimed to have fucked your mom 5 times.

They know we can level the whole country in minutes.

 

[Transhuman]

North korea is the short kid in primary school that knows karate and could totally kill you if he wanted

 

[Ogodei]

Because South Korea will be ravaged before NK is wiped out.

"Ravaged" is a bit of a stretch. Any damage from a total-war scenario would be unacceptable for the South Koreans, but the thing that really stops them is the 30-year humanitarian crisis that would come from absorbing North Korea's population, which would do much more damage to Korean society than the armed power of Pyongyang.

 

[Iolo]

North Korea is the 8 year old from Call of Duty that has claimed to have fucked your mom 5 times.

They know we can level the whole country in minutes.

This isn't about a first strike against the US mainland by DPRK. The nuclear program is about the ability to irradiate and destroy South Korean ports, airfields and military bases with short and medium range nuclear weapons, and threaten nearby US bases, in the initial phase of a North Korean invasion of the South (or vice versa). The intercontinental capability is insurance against further escalation. Would a US president trade Dallas or San Francisco for Seoul in that situation, when it is the view of the US that even one single nuclear explosion here would be a catastrophe? Would the American people? Would Trump?

 

[Wag]

They need more resources for their military I guess.

 

[Sir Abacus]

If we were actually threatened we'd be there now.

This. Even though North Korea have managed to duplicate a Fat Man/Little Boy design, there's a huge gap (30 years of development for most nations) between a ten ton bomb and a few hundred pound warhead. Even India and Pakistan don't have nuclear warheads. They only have bombs which require a slow and easy to shoot down plane to deliver them.

 

[rokkerkory]

What a way to break in the new year

 

[Iolo]

This. Even though North Korea have managed to duplicate a Fat Man/Little Boy design, there's a huge gap (30 years of development for most nations) between a ten ton bomb and a few hundred pound warhead. Even India and Pakistan don't have nuclear warheads. They only have bombs which require a slow and easy to shoot down plane to deliver them.

Ah, so India's nuclear-armed IRBMs, ICBMs and SLBMs are merely figments of everyone's imagination. 40 years of Indian nuclear weapons development has culminated in ... gravity bombs.

 

[Tangled Up in Blue]

Political assasination would fuel whoever is put on his place to go full on invasion of South Korea and make the war he's been too afraid to start so far a reality.
Possibly.

Not to mention that an assassination attempt would be considered an act of war, and China is bound by treaty to militarily support NK if they declare war on anyone.

Nobody wants a war with China.

 

[GameAddict411]

Yeah, just like how they have cures for HIV and cancer. There is definitely a lot of bullshit mixed with everything they say. While no one can deny that they posses nuclear bombs, I doubt they are anywhere near practical enough to be launched over hundreds of not thousands of miles away.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

I don't understand how another country "guaranteeing" a nuclear attack isn't a declaration of war. Why isn't America in there fucking him over?

One word- "Refugees".

Even if you can fuck North Korea ten times over unless you're willing to commit the greatest atrocity known to man you're looking at millions of starving, brainwash North Korean refugees pouring into the South and all parts of Asia. And nobody in Asia wants to deal with their very own "Syrian crisis".

 

[the_batman]

But if it did somehow end up as a conventional war, North Korea has the 4th largest millitary(Ironically, it's larger than China's). It would be bloody.

Shock and Awe

 

[GameAddict411]

One word- "Refugees".

Even if you can fuck North Korea ten times over unless you're willing to commit the greatest atrocity known to man you're looking at millions of starving, brainwash North Korean refugees pouring into the South and all parts of Asia. And nobody in Asia wants to deal with their very own "Syrian crisis".

Not just that, but the south will also suffer incredible loses too. Seoul is only 35 miles away from the border with NK and it will be bombed first. The situation is just not easy and since the US have a clown as a president, I doubt it will solved peacefully.

 

[andythinkpad]

Look, it's time for NK to remind you they exist again.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

This still scares me every day, I have a lot of relatives in SK.

My brother is there....wish he'd just come home.

 

[Patrick S.]

A drunk or high and enraged Kim Jong Fat could very well press the red button. Nobody in NK would dare stopping him.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

I don't understand how another country "guaranteeing" a nuclear attack isn't a declaration of war. Why isn't America in there fucking him over?

Technically we are still in a cease-fire.

 

[Obliterator]

I don't understand how another country "guaranteeing" a nuclear attack isn't a declaration of war. Why isn't America in there fucking him over?

If it weren't for South Korea being instantly destroyed / China pissed then North Korea would have been defeated a long time ago.

I still get this feeling at some point China themselves are gonna not like such a madman on their doorstep and are gonna say fuck it and take regime out

 

[Log4Girlz]

If a rogue nation that makes blatant threats against the US on a regular basis is allowed nuclear weapons, then why not let all other nations develop their own? I mean, just let Iran have one. Saudi Arabia. Australia. Democratic republic of the Congo. Anyone.

 

[Plywood]

Great. Just as America is getting a lunatic for President. This is going to go downhill fast.

We're on a rollercoaster and we've just reached the top, shits about to go down.