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North Korea claims new ICBM to guarantee eventual nuclear strike on U.S. mainland

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KDR_11k

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The problem with nuking NK is the conventional artillery they have trained on Seoul which could obviously fire before enough nukes hit to wipe out their military. Seoul has a huge population and it's growing. Removing NK as a threat is not worth that risk.

But every attempt we've made at creating a nuclear defense shield has failed...? Unless I'm missing something. The only response we have to an ICBM is another dozen ICBMs back.
It fails against the numbers involved in a nuclear strike from a major power, i.e. the WW3 scenario. It can stop a few missiles but obviously a major nuclear power would launch many, many more than that and any getting through is really bad. NK though?
 

d1rtn4p

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I swear they must have a death wish or something. They are going to find out the hard way you aren't gonna be able to pull this crap with Trump. Dude is nuts.
 

Monocle

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You've got to be a serious fucking moron to maintain this stance when Donald Trump is about to have his widdle baby carrots on the big red button.
 
Someone once told me North Korea was a China puppet and proxy.

Notice how they were silent for a while about nukes but after Donald's Taiwan phonecall which has nothing to do with Korea, they start at it again.

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jstripes

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I swear they must have a death wish or something. They are going to find out the hard way you aren't gonna be able to pull this crap with Trump. Dude is nuts.

Could go the other way. Trump and Kim could become close friends. Peas in a pod, so to say. All Kim needs to do is stroke his ego.
 

Mr Swine

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Could go the other way. Trump and Kim could become close friends. Peas in a pod, so to say. All Kim needs to do is stroke his ego.

So something like this?

Kim Jong Un is a smart man, smartest man I know, really great guy that cares for his people! Dunno why Democrats and their liberal followers hate him! NK and USA will make a great team!
 

Rebel Leader

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Someone once told me North Korea was a China puppet and proxy.

Notice how they were silent for a while about nukes but after Donald's Taiwan phonecall which has nothing to do with Korea, they start at it again.

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Even China is getting tired of north korea
 

RPGCrazied

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Trump response:
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 14m14 minutes ago

North Korea just stated that it is in the final stages of developing a nuclear weapon capable of reaching parts of the U.S. It won't happen!

This country is fucked.
 

Oriel

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What a world we live in now that Twitter has replaced the UN as the premier forum for international diplomacy.
 

Oblivion

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But I thought no bellicose countries would dare do anything of this sort now that they would have the mighty Republican, Donald Trump to deal with?
 
Shock and Awe

It doesn't matter if the military and people has the will to fight after the fact. If the the stuff about NK is true and becomes a reality in the battlefield. A war with NK will be a war fought with 100,000s of brainwashed civilians fighting tooth and nail, and any lingering officers would keep the war going as long as possible. You might destroy the military, but not everyone would be killed. Another possibility is forces like Russia possibly supplying NK discreetly.

The war would unleash a refuge crisis that would put Europe's to shame and SK would be damaged as well. I'm not confident that Trump would be a competent leader in these whole thing.
 
Trump response:


This country is fucked.

To be fair, he's just saying what everyone was thinking earlier.

Unfortunately he's decided to phrase that in a Tweet.

Anyone else thinking that he genuinely doesn't realise the gravity of the job he's about to enter? He can't be this bystander anymore tweeting opinions, his actions define opinions.

Scary.
 

120v

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interesting since north koreans operate under the assumption US eats sleeps and breaths the idea of taking over the country while nobody particularly cares beyond a james franco movie.

sitting president acknowledging them on twitter must blow their minds.
 
i think we should try the kill them with kindness approach with NK. America and i guess the French need to apologize for messing in their affairs and yada yada, then just give them all the help they need in building their country, quality food and medicine etc for all their citizens, modern tech etc.. anything that would convince their whole nation that the world doesn't hate them or want their destruction, so they could finally just chill and become a normal rational nation.

or of course we can just spend some more decades risking nuclear war.

i mean, how did fucking Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan become some of the most civilized and peaceful countries in the world? certainly not by isolating them further and imposing crushing sanctions on them.. it was quite the opposite. of course both countries had to get completely wrecked first but ehh.. one could say NK is already there, considering the condition the country is in.
 
i think we should try the kill them with kindness approach with NK. America and i guess the French need to apologize for messing in their affairs and yada yada, then just give them all the help they need in building their country, quality food and medicine etc for all their citizens, modern tech etc.. anything that would convince their whole nation that the world doesn't hate them or want their destruction, so they could finally just chill and become a normal rational nation.

or of course we can just spend some more decades risking nuclear war.

i mean, how did fucking Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan become some of the most civilized and peaceful countries in the world? certainly not by isolating them further and imposing crushing sanctions on them.. it was quite the opposite. of course both countries had to get completely wrecked first but ehh.. one could say NK is already there, considering the condition the country is in.

Wouldn't work. They'll just be DPRK 2.0 with better tech.

They have nukes and won't change if big husky is still in power. The change they need requires dirty work. Revolution from within or from abroad.
 
Hopefully this will be resolved quickly before further escalation. Most likely China and South Korea will be the ones to deal with North Korea.
 

Geist-

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I wonder what NK will do once we finally implement effective long range laser-based missile defenses. Afaik we're only a few years away from 300kw lasers that can destroy cruise missiles at long ranges. Seems pretty likely we'll eventually have lasers capable of destroying ICBMs in the next decade.

When the missiles they've been so desperate to build become hopelessly outdated and ineffective, what will they use to threaten the world?
 
i mean, how did fucking Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan become some of the most civilized and peaceful countries in the world? certainly not by isolating them further and imposing crushing sanctions on them.. it was quite the opposite. of course both countries had to get completely wrecked first but ehh.. one could say NK is already there, considering the condition the country is in.

Because the brutal leaders (Hitler and Prime Minister Tojo) of both of those countries were killed. There will be no massive change in NK without complete regime change.
 

Oriel

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i think we should try the kill them with kindness approach with NK. America and i guess the French need to apologize for messing in their affairs and yada yada, then just give them all the help they need in building their country, quality food and medicine etc for all their citizens, modern tech etc.. anything that would convince their whole nation that the world doesn't hate them or want their destruction, so they could finally just chill and become a normal rational nation.

Been there, done that. It was called the Sunshine Policy and was an abysmal failure.

BTW, why would the French apologise? They colonised Indochina, not the Korean peninsula.

China will stop NK before we have to do anything. They don't want the US to roll in and be at China's door step.

Yeah, not going to happen. China is still a firm North Korean ally.
 

Brakke

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"China has been taking out massive amounts of money & wealth from the U.S. in totally one-sided trade, but won't help with North Korea. Nice!"
 

Square2015

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Update for 7/25/17. It's getting more serious:


North Korea could cross ICBM threshold next year, U.S. officials warn in new assessment
North Korea will be able to field a reliable, nuclear-capable intercontinental ballistic missile as early as next year, U.S. officials have concluded in a confidential assessment that dramatically shrinks the timeline for when Pyongyang could strike North American cities with atomic weapons.
The new assessment by the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), which shaves a full two years off the consensus forecast for North Korea's ICBM program, was prompted by recent missile tests showing surprising technical advances by the country's weapons scientists, at a pace beyond which many analysts believed was possible for the isolated communist regime.

The U.S. projection closely mirrors revised predictions by South Korean intelligence officials, who also have watched with growing alarm as North Korea has appeared to master key technologies needed to loft a warhead toward targets thousands of miles away.

The finding further increases the pressure on U.S. and Asian leaders to halt North Korea's progress before it can threaten the world with nuclear-tipped missiles. President Trump, during his visit to Poland earlier this month, vowed to confront Pyongyang ”very strongly" to stop its missile advances.

The DIA has concluded that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un will be able to produce a ”reliable, nuclear-capable ICBM" program sometime in 2018, meaning that by next year the program will have advanced from prototype to assembly line, according to officials familiar with the document. Already, the aggressive testing regime put in place in recent months has allowed North Korea to validate its basic designs, putting it within a few months of starting industrial production, the officials said.

The DIA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence declined to address any classified assessments.
But Scott Bray, ODNI's national intelligence manager for East Asia, said in a statement: ”North Korea's recent test of an intercontinental range ballistic missile — which was not a surprise to the intelligence community — is one of the milestones that we have expected would help refine our timeline and judgments on the threats that Kim Jong Un poses to the continental United States. This test, and its impact on our assessments, highlight the threat that North Korea's nuclear and ballistic missile programs pose to the United States, to our allies in the region, and to the whole world. The intelligence community is closely monitoring the expanding threat from North Korea."
One of the few remaining technical hurdles is the challenge of atmospheric ”reentry" — the ability to design a missile that can pass through the upper atmosphere without damage to the warhead. Long regarded as a formidable technological barrier for impoverished North Korea, that milestone could be reached, beginning with new tests expected to take place within days, U.S. analysts said. U.S. officials have detected signs that North Korea is making final preparations for testing a new reentry vehicle, perhaps as early as Thursday, a North Korean national holiday marking the end of the Korean War.
”They're on track to do that, essentially this week," said a U.S. official familiar with the intelligence report who, like others, insisted on anonymity to discuss sensitive military assessments.

North Korea has not yet demonstrated an ability to build a miniaturized nuclear warhead that could be carried by one of its missiles. Officials there last year displayed a sphere-shaped device the regime described as a miniaturized warhead, but there as been no public confirmation that this milestone has been achieved. Preparations reportedly have been underway for several months for what would be the country's sixth underground atomic test. The last one, in September, had an estimated yield of 20 to 30 kilotons, more than double the explosive force of any previous test.
North Korea startled the world earlier this month with its successful July 4 test of a missile capable of striking parts of Alaska — the first such missile with proven intercontinental range. The launch of a two-stage ”Hwasong-14" missile was the latest in a series of tests in recent months that have revealed startlingly rapid advances across a number of technical fields, from mastery of solid-fuel technology to the launch of the first submarine-based missile, current and former intelligence officials and weapons experts said.
”There has been alarming progress," said Joseph DeTrani, the former mission manager for North Korea for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and a former special envoy for negotiations with Pyongyang. ”In the last year they have gained capabilities that they didn't have, including ones that we thought they would not have been able to obtain for years."
The July 4 missile test also caught South Korea's intelligence service off guard, prompting a hasty revision of forecasts, according to South Korean lawmakers who have received closed-door briefings.
”The speed of North Korea's ICBM missile development is faster than the South Korean Defense Ministry expected," said lawmaker Lee Cheol-hee, of the left-wing Minjoo party, who attended an intelligence committee briefing after the July 4 test.
The South Korean government, which is actively trying to engage the regime in Pyongyang, has declined to call the most recent test a success. North Korea still has not proved it has mastered some of the steps needed to build a reliable ICBM, most notably the reentry vehicle, Lee said.

Still, officials across the political spectrum acknowledged that North Korea is rapidly gaining ground. ”Now they are approaching the final stage of being a nuclear power and the owner of an ICBM," said Cha Du-hyeogn, who served as an adviser to conservative former president Lee Myung-bak.
U.S. spy agencies have detected multiple signals that North Korea is preparing to test a reentry vehicle. Analysts believe that the July 4 test was intended to demonstrate range — the ability of its new two-stage ICBM prototype to reach altitude and distance milestones — while the new launch will seek to validate engineering features designed to protect the warhead as it passes through the upper atmosphere and then is delivered to a distant target.
The latest designs appear to cobble together older systems — including portions of a missile frame used to launch satellites into orbit — with a more advanced engine that North Korea began testing earlier this year. Much of the technology is based on old Soviet-era designs that have been reworked by what U.S. experts describe as an increasingly capable cadre of homegrown engineers, goaded along by a leadership that has pursued nuclear weapons and delivery systems with single-minded zeal.
Kim vowed in January to successfully test a nuclear-capable ICBM in 2017, achieving a long-sought goal that North Koreans believe will serve as the ultimate deterrent against threats to the communist regime's survival. At the time, the U.S. intelligence community's formal assessment still held that a credible ICBM threat would not emerge until 2020 at the earliest.
”North Korea's timeline moved faster than we expected," said the U.S. official familiar with the new DIA assessment. ”We weren't expecting an ICBM test in July."

Former U.S. officials and weapons experts said a successful test of a nuclear-capable ICBM would dramatically raise the stakes in the North Korean crisis, putting new pressure on North Korea's neighbors and increasing the risk of miscalculation.

”The danger is that decision time and warning is greatly reduced when North Korea has the weapons, and that escalation can happen quickly," said Jon Wolfsthal, senior director for arms control and nonproliferation with the Obama administration's National Security Council.

The specter of a nuclear-armed, ICBM-capable Kim ”takes the risk to a new level but does not change the nature of the threat we have faced for some time," Wolfsthal said. ”We have to deter North Korea from ever using any nuclear weapons and make clear that any move to use these weapons is suicide."
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/north-korea-could-cross-icbm-threshold-next-year-us-officials-warn-in-new-assessment/ar-AAoPw9k?li=AA4Zpp&ocid=spartanntp

This update also added to the OP.
 
I remember being with some Korean guys when a story about NK threatening with nukes came on the news.

I basically got a blase "they do this shit all the time" reaction.
 
Really not the time, guys. You may not have noticed but our dumbass bully of a president is desperately in need of a dog to wag and a punching bag at the moment.
 

felipeko

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If they had attacked that would give the North Korean top military brass and Kim (if he had survived an attempt on his life) the justification they so desperately want to start a war and further demonise the outside world.
But they don't want to really start a war, that would be their end. They (top brass and Kim) are rather happy with the situation right now, and probably just want an ICBM so it can keep the status quo, or to be able to lower sanctions or improve extortion/aid.
 
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