North Korea just shelled them some South Korea

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Cooter said:
Alright military guys. NK fires and hits the US. What happens next?
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Sleeper agents are activated. Nanobots deployed. Machines rebel. World War 3 begins, and man loses to the might of metal.
 
Cooter said:
Alright military guys. NK fires and hits the US. What happens next?
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They couldn't reach that far. As of now they probably have the ability to hit as far as Japan.
 
Phoenix said:
The saddest part is that the country could be prosperous but because they've spent every penny they have to try and appear to have big balls - they've squandered every opportunity they've had to become a more credible country. If they had any sense they'd realize that if they built a real economy they'd be able to have a more credible deterrent.
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this is true no one really invades other countries anymore without some backlash... (except in Africa where no one seems to care what happens to them) Dictators do not need much protection unless they deal in drugs or sitting on oil

NK would had done well if they used to money for economic advancement instead of a war machine
 
Ether_Snake said:
Pretty much 100% certain they will follow through with their threats if they don't get what they ask for.
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What makes you so sure? After all, this is the country that's threatened nuclear war a dozen or more times and they must know that firing upon SK one more time will probably start a war.
 
If they attacked the fleet it would lead to Pyongyang to be hit hard. They are firing Missiles into the Yellow Sea as an act of defiance but they wont dare get close to the fleet
 
Jea Song said:
Update posted 30 mins ago

North Korea readies missiles as U.S., South Korea begin drill

SEOUL (Reuters) – North Korea has placed surface-to-surface missiles on launch pads in the Yellow Sea, Yonhap news agency reported on Sunday, as the United States and South Korea began joint military exercises.
The agency said also that Pyongyang had moved surface-to-air missiles to frontline areas. The North's official KCNA news agency warned of retaliatory action if its territory was violated.
"We will deliver a brutal military blow on any provocation which violates our territorial waters," KCNA said


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_korea_north1
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The U.S. should just knock them down a notch. Remember the Pueblo!
 
Cooter said:
Alright military guys. NK fires and hits the US. What happens next?
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If NK wants war, they'd just sink the Supercarrier with Artillery (which they very could well do), however to answer your question, US would invade and likely NK would detonate a nuke killing most of the US invading force.

Invading NK, is NOT in our best interests, BUT not doing something puts SK at risk. So...what do you do?
 
CrocMother said:
My question is why the fuck are we still doing the exercises? Who is really provoking who here?!
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The excercises were going to occur before all this.

North Korea attacked the island in response to these excercises.

Think about it... not doing the excercises would just be giving into terrorism and creates a horrible precident. Next time the North wants something... they just attack SK and the US backs down! Not good.
 
Cooter said:
Alright military guys. NK fires and hits the US. What happens next?
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The most likely strike would be by diesel submarine against the fleet itself. Diesels are still hard to track and tail in brown water so that's their most credible deterrent. The fleet has more than enough capability to handle resisting NK surface to surface strike. Any attempt to strike by air would be a waste of time as SK and the US clearly have air superiority in the region and would deliver the smack down on whatever comes against them.

Successful or not (likely not), the US reprisal would come by cruise missile strikes against command and control structure per doctrine and likely against the nuclear facilities themselves. That's my playbook anyways.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
If NK wants war, they'd just sink the Supercarrier with Artillery (which they very could well do), however to answer your question, US would invade and likely NK would detonate a nuke killing most of the US invading force.

Invading NK, is NOT in our best interests, BUT not doing something puts SK at risk. So...what do you do?
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Drop a bomb on them from a safe distance. And I don't say this lightly or think it is a funny situation, but the US has done this before and it had the intended effect of getting a country to stop in their tracks for the sake of their country and their people.

I don't necessarily think the US, or any country for that matter, has a right to possess a weapon that powerful, but at some point someone needs to make NK put up or shut up and maybe rejoin the rest of the world community without acting like complete asshats.
 
Oh, by the way, I'd say the likelyhood of the US, even if NK do so, using nuclear weapons is very, very, very low. It's not really needed anyway with Air-to-surface, Surface-to-surface tech being as good as it is.
 
BocoDragon said:
The excercises were going to occur before all this.

North Korea attacked the island in response to these excercises.

Think about it... not doing the excercises would just be giving into terrorism and creates a horrible precident. Next time the North wants something... they just attack SK and the US backs down! Not good.
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please be trolling...please.
 
Meadows said:
Oh, by the way, I'd say the likelyhood of the US, even if NK do so, using nuclear weapons is very, very, very low. It's not really needed anyway with Air-to-surface, Surface-to-surface tech being as good as it is.
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Even if NK uses them (and they won't - China will see to that), there is a 0% chance the US will use any against NK.
 
What happens if Korea is reunited? Will South Korea take full responsibility to recover the North? Can the economy handle it? South Korea is a rich country, but we're talking 10 million people who need education, food, an economy built from scratch,...
 
CrocMother said:
My question is why the fuck are we still doing the exercises? Who is really provoking who here?!
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again
This is not the first time these types of exercises have been conducted. They've been conducted without incident for years. North Korea is once again testing limits and looking for more concessions at the negotiating table. The need for bargaining chips coinciding with the fast approaching transition in power is adding volatility to the mix.

It's also amusing how frequently the media is getting called out for under-reporting one post and then for sensationalizing the next. Then we collectively delve into the worst case scenario.
 
Meadows said:
Oh, by the way, I'd say the likelyhood of the US, even if NK do so, using nuclear weapons is very, very, very low. It's not really needed anyway with Air-to-surface, Surface-to-surface tech being as good as it is.
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Come on man, if NK is going down, in their minds they're going to go out with a bang to hell with everyone else.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
If NK wants war, they'd just sink the Supercarrier with Artillery (which they very could well do), however to answer your question, US would invade and likely NK would detonate a nuke killing most of the US invading force.

Invading NK, is NOT in our best interests, BUT not doing something puts SK at risk. So...what do you do?
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if they could sink a US Super Carrier that would be the most embarrassing thing to happen in a very long time to the US military many of our enemies would cheer them on.

so I really doubt they can do this... if its that simple it would be a huge boost of respect for what NK is capable of
 
Stabbie said:
What happens if Korea is reunited? Will South Korea take full responsibility to recover the North? Can the economy handle it? South Korea is a rich country, but we're talking 10 million people who need education, food, an economy built from scratch,...
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Korea will NEVER be united. There is just too much animosity and hatred for it to be feasible. Only way Korea will be united is if SK is the only remaining "Korea"
 
Fuck North Korea. It's amazing that such a place even exists today. Their people know NOTHING of the world outside their tiny country. I feel so bad for them.

I really hope things don't escalate. Not to sound like a warmongering Republican here, but if NK thinks aiming some missiles at the US is gonna scare us, gtfo.
 
CrocMother said:
please be trolling...please.
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This is common sense. And you think it's trolling?

The North is mad about drills near their territory, so they attack and kill South Koreans.

If the South fails to go through with their drills, then the North knows it can just kill South Koreans any time it doesn't like something, and get their way.

It's the same reason you don't give into any terror-based demands. It creates the precident for terror-based demands in the future.

I hope you're trolling.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Korea will NEVER be united. There is just too much animosity and hatred for it to be feasible. Only way Korea will be united is if SK is the only remaining "Korea"
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That's what I meant.
 
CrocMother said:
My question is why the fuck are we still doing the exercises? Who is really provoking who here?!
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So I guess North Korea can detonate a Nuclear bomb for testing yet the South Korean military can't do exercises in their own territorial waters? Stupid.
 
Stabbie said:
What happens if Korea is reunited? Will South Korea take full responsibility to recover the North? Can the economy handle it? South Korea is a rich country, but we're talking 10 million people who need education, food, an economy built from scratch,...
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SK, the US and whatever allies are involved would have to prop up a temporary government because there's no way SK would want reunification with the north immediately. It would be devastating to their economy, that's if the major SK cities are still in tact if said war were to happen.
 
Diablos said:
Fuck North Korea. It's amazing that such a place even exists today. Their people know NOTHING of the world outside their tiny country. I feel so bad for them.
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No intention to offend, but it's not really amazing in the grand scheme of things. Its easy to look at the world as pretty peachy when seated in a safe, comfortable Western world, but the world is full of shitty nations, shitty politics, human rights violations, torture, prison camps, human experiments, exploitation, corruption, and war.

We have it easy, but a billion others do not.
 
CrankyJay said:
Drop a bomb on them from a safe distance. And I don't say this lightly or think it is a funny situation, but the US has done this before and it had the intended effect of getting a country to stop in their tracks for the sake of their country and their people.

I don't necessarily think the US, or any country for that matter, has a right to possess a weapon that powerful, but at some point someone needs to make NK put up or shut up and maybe rejoin the rest of the world community without acting like complete asshats.
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You have any idea of the diplomatic implications of nuking NK? :/

Also, stating that nuking Japan was for the sake of the country or its people, just isn't true. There's a consensus that the bomb wasn't needed to end the war in the short term.

You can't nuke someone into submission, you just can't.
 
EatChildren said:
No intention to offend, but it's not really amazing in the grand scheme of things. Its easy to look at the world as pretty peachy when seated in a safe, comfortable Western world, but the world is full of shitty nations, shitty politics, human rights violations, torture, prison camps, human experiments, exploitation, corruption, and war.

We have it easy, but a billion others do not.
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Yeah but the North really is a specific anomaly in this post-Soviet world.

I can still go to these countries and even access the internet: Zimbabwe, Iran, Burma, Sierra Leone, China, etc. People might be poor and they might have a crappy military regime over them... but a closed-off totalitarian state is really odd in today's globalized world.
 
Can someone write what would be the worst case scenario and the best case scenario in the next 48 hours? Also the most likely scenario
 
Furoba said:
You have any idea of the diplomatic implications of nuking NK? :/

Also, stating that nuking Japan was for the sake of the country or its people, just isn't true. There's a consensus that the bomb wasn't needed to end the war in the short term.

You can't nuke someone into submission, you just can't.
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Mainly because of NK Militarized state. They fail to realize that had they switched to a market economy they could of had the best of both worlds, and possibly things wouldn't be so sour.
 
EatChildren said:
No intention to offend, but it's not really amazing in the grand scheme of things. Its easy to look at the world as pretty peachy when seated in a safe, comfortable Western world, but the world is full of shitty nations, shitty politics, human rights violations, torture, prison camps, human experiments, exploitation, corruption, and war.

We have it easy, but a billion others do not.
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Indeed, but NK strikes me as one of those dark corners that really doesn't have to be that way at all. No, I'm not saying we just bomb NK to death and force a new Government upon them. But given their relations with China I don't understand why they wouldn't want to make their society at least somewhat more modern. I fully admit that I don't know a whole lot about the region, but it just seems silly that NK continues to be NK in this day and age. They are such a small dot on the map in the grand scheme of all things. Makes no sense to me.
 
Furoba said:
You have any idea of the diplomatic implications of nuking NK? :/

Also, stating that nuking Japan was for the sake of the country or its people, just isn't true. There's a consensus that the bomb wasn't needed to end the war in the short term.

You can't nuke someone into submission, you just can't.
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It seems to have put japan into submission has it not? I agree though nuking NK would be the dumbest idea ever.
 
Jea Song said:
Can someone write what would be the worst case scenario and the best case scenario in the next 48 hours? Also the most likely scenario
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Most likely:
NK bombs SK again and tries to force SK call off the drill, which probably is not going to happen.

The worst:
NK and SK go into a clustfuck proxy war supported by China and US (neither side will get involved directly).

The best:
China tells NK to calm the fuck down.
 
Jea Song said:
Can someone write what would be the worst case scenario and the best case scenario in the next 48 hours? Also the most likely scenario
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Worst case scenario: World War III (lol)

Best case scenario: Korean reunification (thanks to Jesus who comes down from heaven)

Most likely scenario: Empty posturing
 
_Xenon_ said:
Most likely:
NK bombs SK again and tries to force SK call off the drill, which probably will fail.

The worst:
NK and SK go into a clustfuck proxy war supported by China and US (neither side will get involved directly).

The best:
China tells NK to calm the fuck down.
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Wouldn't it be pretty hard for the US to not get involved directly when we have 2,000 troops on the border?
 
BocoDragon said:
This is common sense. And you think it's trolling?

The North is mad about drills near their territory, so they attack and kill South Koreans.

If the South fails to go through with their drills, then the North knows it can just kill South Koreans any time it doesn't like something, and get their way.

It's the same reason you don't give into any terror-based demands. It creates the precident for terror-based demands in the future.

I hope you're trolling.
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You are looking at it from one perspective, highlighted by the fact that you are spouting rhetoric about "terrorism".

From NK POV, that water is in their territory, they warned SK to stop doing drills there. They do the drill anyway, so if NK doesn't fire than SK knows it can do whatever it wants.

Your one-sided way of thinking would only serve to escalate this conflict.
 
BocoDragon said:
Yeah but the North really is a specific anomaly in this post-Soviet world.

I can still go to these countries and even access the internet: Zimbabwe, Iran, Burma, Sierra Leone, China, etc. People might be poor and they might have a crappy military regime over them... but a closed-off totalitarian state is really odd in today's globalized world.
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They're the last remaining relic of an old form of government, but the fact they exists, as strange as it may be, is evidence enough that human civilization as a whole has not completely moved forward.

Diablos said:
Indeed, but NK strikes me as one of those dark corners that really doesn't have to be that way at all. No, I'm not saying we just bomb NK to death and force a new Government upon them. But given their relations with China I don't understand why they wouldn't want to make their society at least somewhat more modern. I fully admit that I don't know a whole lot about the region, but it just seems silly that NK continues to be NK in this day and age. They are such a small dot on the map in the grand scheme of all things. Makes no sense to me.
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They're a nation run by people who cannot lead. It would be like you or I trying to run a country. Our intentions are irrelivant, because we ultimately lack the skill or knowledge to successfully manage so many people on such a grand scope. Its a shitty situation, but it is what it is.

I would condemn anybody seriously suggesting America, or anybody for that matter, ham fist their way into the country and force a new political reign. Especially anybody suggesting that someone drop the nukes. Unless the situation escalated to an unfathomable and uncontrollable level of war, where nukes were the only option, a nuclear strike on North Korea should be considered nothing less than the most heinous of war crimes.
 
Metalic Sand said:
It seems to have put japan into submission has it not? I agree though nuking NK would be the dumbest idea ever.
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No certainty it will last forever. Besides, attitudes on nuclear weaponry are different now. That was during a time when the US was the only country with them. That sort of tactic wouldn't fly when other nations do.
 
The DPRK have changed their stance from saying they'll attack if the drill goes ahead to they'll attack if the drill goes into their territorial waters.

Seems like they might be climbing down, but it's too early to say.
 
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku! said:
Wouldn't it be pretty hard for the US to not get involved directly when we have 2,000 troops on the border?
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Rules of engagement would limit their operations to activities that actually cross the border and threaten the cities. Its easier than you think to keep them out of the action if we really wanted that.
 
Ugh, surface to air missles deployed along coastline. Dollars to donuts they take a shot at something, regardless of whether it actually infringes upon their territory.

Meadows said:
The DPRK have changed their stance from saying they'll attack if the drill goes ahead to they'll attack if the drill goes into their territorial waters.
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My personal gut feeling is that they intend to shoot at something, but this will likely be the faux-justification for it. Whether it's BS or not. I certainly don't think they're climbing down.

Should be an interesting next couple of days.
 
Jea Song said:
Can someone write what would be the worst case scenario and the best case scenario in the next 48 hours? Also the most likely scenario
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Worst case scenario: In response to retaliatory destruction of its artillery or missile batteries NK begins shelling Seoul.

Best case scenario: Kim Jong-un announces his desire for a formal peace treaty. He intends to disarm and open NK with the long term goal of peaceful re-unification. A herculean humanitarian effort begins to help the North Koreans.

Most likely: Amid great pomp and circumstance Kim Jong-un assumes control of North Korea. Sabre rattling continues and talks are not resumed. Some time passes then NK 'makes concessions' and receives aid.

cycle repeats
 
nyong said:
Ugh, surface to air missles deployed along coastline. Dollars to donuts they take a shot at something, regardless of whether it actually infringes upon their territory.
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they can fire one and take down an aircraft and claim it violated their airspace, these are they crazy games they play well at
 
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