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[toadsworth]

The scariest part of the entire situation is the nuclear stockpile they are sure to be sitting on. They absolutely have a contingency plan to get those nukes out of the country and into terrorist networks the second shit goes down.

 

[ST2K]

It's the best option because any other option guarantees millions will die.

Accepting North Korea as a nuclear power doesn't, as uncomfortable a reality as it is.

Are we just ignoring the reality that the regime kills untolds amounts of its own citizens every year that it's around?

That's not a cost that should be ignored either.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

i didn't know Guam was a U.S. territory so i doubt trump knew that too

 

[ibitegirls]

North Korea isn't gonna do shit. Fuck that fat ass kid and also fuck the orange idiot

 

[sechsterangriff]

I am more worried about NKs chemical and biological weapons than any nukes they may have...

 

[Shadow Broker]

If N. Korea shot a nuke at Guam but it missed because they are incompetent, would the US be justified (in the eyes of the international community) of retaliating as if it had hit?

That is beyond a act of war if ever. Not only will the United States wipe out NK they will also have to apologize to China for making such a mess at their border. It doesn't matter if it hits Or not. Hell if a missile just landed in US waters miles away from land it's an act of war.

 

[Tangled Up in Blue]

If N. Korea shot a nuke at Guam but it missed because they are incompetent, would the US be justified (in the eyes of the international community) of retaliating as if it had hit?

If someone shoots at you, and they miss, you don't give them the chance to take another shot, you end the threat immediately.

 

[NHarmonic.]

this is the darkest timeline

Yeah, and who's to blame for this?

 

[fluffydelusions]

Yeah, and who's to blame for this?

Clearly Obama

 

[SDCowboy]

If N. Korea shot a nuke at Guam but it missed because they are incompetent, would the US be justified (in the eyes of the international community) of retaliating as if it had hit?

Yes, but it's a question of if action would be taken.

 

[psyfi]

sociopathic tyrant dick waving gonna get us all killed

 

[JordanN]

The scariest part of the entire situation is the nuclear stockpile they are sure to be sitting on. They absolutely have a contingency plan to get those nukes out of the country and into terrorist networks the second shit goes down.

Giving nukes to terrorists seems like instant backfire.

The terrorist now have nukes, why wouldn't they proceed to threaten North Korea for more?

 

[Karkador]

Yeah, and who's to blame for this?

Sharknado

 

[Raven117]

If N. Korea shot a nuke at Guam but it missed because they are incompetent, would the US be justified (in the eyes of the international community) of retaliating as if it had hit?

Yes, but NK wont do this either (they want to stay in power, remember), but if it does, god have mercy on that part of the world...millions will be dead.

 

[psyfi]

Yes, but NK wont do this either (they want to stay in power, remember), but if it does, god have mercy on that part of the world...millions will be dead.

Not to mention people in the US. I'm going to immediately give my 30 day notice and move away from the west coast if shit goes down.

 

[Mik2121]

As someone living in Japan, and even with the nuclear deterrence theory in mind, I'm not happy about this stuff. I don't think anything will happen anytime soon, but even then the US should start understanding their current world situation as a country and how everything relates to their allies and otherwise.

Then again, it's Trump, so he probably doesn't even understand what the word ally means.

 

[louiedog]

If N. Korea shot a nuke at Guam but it missed because they are incompetent, would the US be justified (in the eyes of the international community) of retaliating as if it had hit?

 

[baxter2231]

Im more worried about what Trump is gonna do than what NK is gonna do. Nk aint gonna attack kim is not that crazy but Trump would attack first.

 

[toadsworth]

Giving nukes to terrorists seems like instant backfire.

The terrorist now have nukes, why wouldn't they proceed to threaten North Korea for more?

Because the US is already bombing them ? -- I'm talking about a last resort contingency plan for the regime

 

[demosthenes]

If N. Korea shot a nuke at Guam but it missed because they are incompetent, would the US be justified (in the eyes of the international community) of retaliating as if it had hit?

If a launch was sent towards any US territory, S.Korea, Japan and other allies, North Korea would be hit as fast as command knew the attacks were real.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

China broke down and supported new sanctions. (Not that they had a choice given the actions of North Korea)

For it to work Russia also needs to be on it, I pass by the North Korean Embassy regularly and man they have money , hit their pockets and they will behave, the elite in NH has access to all kinds of foreign products

 

[Vilix]

I've had to hear about NK shenanigans for decades. Somebody do something.

 

[Woorloog]

I hope to hell you're right, but the idea of rolling the dice on millions of lives makes me sick to my stomach.

Well, the whole NK situation has been dice-rolling ever since the Korean War.
Clean up the mess by attacking them and stabilizing the situation for the future, at the risk of escalation?
Or just wait it out and hope the NK collapses by itself?
Wait it out and hope they will be willing to talk and create a solution like China opening itself?
Oh, wait, they got nukes under development, attack now and hope for the best?
Wait, and hope they don't get nukes working?
Wait, and hope they will be willing to talk despite the nukes?
Attack and hope they don't get to use a nuke and/or hope you can shoot it down? (And hope shit doesn't escalate elsewhere.)

Really, no matter what you do, once any action other than "wait" is committed to, it is dice-rolling, one that can be perhaps nudged at best.
And even waiting is just wondering everyday if the NK leadership snaps.

 

[SolarPowered]

Kim has no idea just what kind of Dragon's tail he is stepping on right now.

 

[Imperfected]

I've had to hear about NK shenanigans for decades. Somebody do something.

Nah, let's just let this play out, I'm sure when the current Kim dies and the next one takes over the situation will de-escalate and millions of North Koreans will wake up freed from the perverse cult that's robbed them of any personal agency.

 

[MrMephistoX]

Yeah I'm not exactly fine with NK having ICBMs.
They haven't shown the world stage they are disciplined enough to use them with any sort of rule set.

Being OK with NK as a nuclear superpower is like being ok that the school bully is holding a loaded assault rifle on the playground.



Because NK being a nuclear power would lead to millions of deaths. Only this time NK chooses who dies.

By that logic we should have bombed Stalin back in the late 1940's and China in the 1950's after their first successful nuclear tests before their arms build ups: MAD is a shitty solution but it's the best one we've got. North Korea's regime wants to survive above all else so unless they actually attack an ally there's not a lot we can do at this point.

 

[Netherscourge]

Kim MUST have some shit on Trump.

Either that, or he has the secret backing of Russia.

 

[bitbydeath]

If N. Korea shot a nuke at Guam but it missed because they are incompetent, would the US be justified (in the eyes of the international community) of retaliating as if it had hit?

I wouldn't be surprised if NK is just trying to coax the US into making the first move.

Most of the world follows China so if China turns on the US due to them firing nukes in their general direction then I'd say it is pretty much game over for the US.

 

[Armadilo]

Someone tweeted this -

Robin Kirk‏ @RobinKirk 2h2 hours ago

I'm reporting to @Twitter a man bringing us to brink of nuclear war. Please delete this account: @realDonaldTrump. #Guam would rest easier.

Wonder how much money Twitter is making off trump

 

[SDCowboy]

I wouldn't be surprised if NK is just trying to coax the US into making the first move.

Most of the world follows China so if China turns on the US due to them firing nukes in their general direction then I'd say it is pretty much game over for the US.

What universe do you live in?

 

[bitbydeath]

What universe do you live in?

The real one.

 

[Tangled Up in Blue]

Well, the whole NK situation has been dice-rolling ever since the Korean War.
Clean up the mess by attacking them and stabilizing the situation for the future, at the risk of escalation?
Or just wait it out and hope the NK collapses by itself?
Wait it out and hope they will be willing to talk and create a solution like China opening itself?
Oh, wait, they got nukes under development, attack now and hope for the best?
Wait, and hope they don't get nukes working?
Wait, and hope they will be willing to talk despite the nukes?
Attack and hope they don't get to use a nuke and/or hope you can shoot it down? (And hope shit doesn't escalate elsewhere.)

Really, no matter what you do, once any action other than "wait" is committed to, it is dice-rolling, one that can be perhaps nudged at best.
And even waiting is just wondering everyday if the NK leadership snaps.

Yeah, but nuclear-tipped ICBMs exponentially increases the potential casualty yield, so we're now playing on a brand new field and nobody knows the rules. One misstep could start a disastrous chain reaction on a scale we've never seen before. It's horrifying.

Thank god America has a brilliant tactician at the helm. I'd hate to think what would happen otherwise.

Spoiler

We're fucked.

 

[JordanN]

Kim MUST have some shit on Trump.

Either that, or he has the secret backing of Russia.

What if Kim has the piss tape?

 

[RoKKeR]

This worries me way less than Trump's fire and fury or whatever. This is the kind of shit I expect from a nutcase dictator.

 

[Fox Mulder]

The scariest part of the entire situation is the nuclear stockpile they are sure to be sitting on. They absolutely have a contingency plan to get those nukes out of the country and into terrorist networks the second shit goes down.

Well trump knows we have more.

 

[The Argus]

The real one.

Most of the world does not follow China... Maybe reliant on China for consumer goods, but they certainly don't follow and respect China's government. If there is a war, even with Trump, the vast majority of UN states will side with the US.

 

[Raven117]

Not to mention people in the US. I'm going to immediately give my 30 day notice and move away from the west coast if shit goes down.

You will probably be okay. Its the Korean peninsula and potentially Japan that will be devastated.

 

[Netherscourge]

What if Kim has the piss tape?

That's what I was saying a couple pages back.

I think Russia gave Kim the pee pee tape and Kim is flexing his nuclear muscles openly now knowing Trump won't do shit.

That pee pee tape is a bigger nuclear deterrent than nuclear missiles.

Maybe it's worse than we know? Not just prostitutes peeing on a bed?

Maybe Trump got dressed up in a big diaper outfit too and let the prostitutes spank him and feed him with a baby bottle?

 

[Shredderi]

Why would NK go for Japan if the US did something? I'm not up to speed about the region relations in those areas.

 

[DrunkShogun]

Seriously fuck trump if South Korea or Japan become victims of his poor leadership. Right now it's the battle of the two man babies. I would be done with America people in general for allowing such a buffoon to become elected and cause such an outcome.

 

[Hexa]

Most of the world does not follow China... Maybe reliant on China for consumer goods, but they certainly don't follow and respect China's government. If there is a war, even with Trump, the vast majority of UN states will side with the US.

Secondly, it makes no sense for NK to try to coax a first move out of the US because it'll be the last move for NK. All that'll be left is a wasteland.

 

[Sectorseven]

I'm glad the topic says what Guam is, so I know how outraged to be.

Spoiler

What's a territory?

 

[Regulus Tera]

Yeah, and who's to blame for this?

 

[Imperfected]

The scariest part of the entire situation is the nuclear stockpile they are sure to be sitting on. They absolutely have a contingency plan to get those nukes out of the country and into terrorist networks the second shit goes down.

Korea is a peninsula that does not have naval, air, or land control of their borders or sovereign space. The best they can do is smuggle things to China, and China already has nukes if they particularly want to transfer them to terrorist organizations.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Why would NK go for Japan if the US did something? I'm not up to speed about the region relations in those areas.

US troops in Japan

 

[Regulus Tera]

I'm glad the topic says what Guam is, so I know how outraged to be.

Spoiler

What's a territory?

A colony for the post-colonial world.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Maybe Trump got dressed up in a big diaper outfit too and let the prostitutes spank him and feed him with a baby bottle?

 

[smurfx]

US troops in Japan

plus any serious harm to japan or sk would cause big economic losses that would affect everyone.

 

[Jag]

Seriously fuck trump if South Korea or Japan become victims of his poor leadership. Right now it's the battle of the two man babies. I would be done with America people in general for allowing such a buffoon to become elected and cause such an outcome.

We're kind of done with ourselves over this.

 

[psaman17]

Yea OK. Kim is cray cray but he's not stupid. The day he fires a single missle at anyone is the day his kingdom falls. More posturing and empty threats.