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Northeast Championship (NEC) XII | Fighting game tournament | December 3-4
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SarcasticD
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Sounding mad golf on the commentary lol
Yeah, knee jerk overreaction int his thread total.Wesker will never be as bad as Sentinel is, but its pretty interesting to see that he is sorta an analogue for what happened in February. Look at Sentinel now, he's a clunky POS bastard who isn't that great on point (or to me, even as an assist, but that's another conversation).
I hope he DOESN'T get nerfed. He's just easy but effective enough IMO. There are ways to deal with Wesker.
I think people just want a villainRemember how many Sents there were at Winter Brawl (think I have it right -- the first Marvel tourney, anyway).
In other news: Props to Chris G for all that Hawkeye tech. Holy shit.
sixteen-bit
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Is Chris still there? I want him on commentary.
Wolverine is still a beast, obviously, but he did get his nerfs. Dante and Magneto were hit hard by nerfs as well. Akuma was nerfed.
Man, the moment I saw ChrisG's face I just felt drained.
Lazy vs Crazy
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No way this finishes in time. They only have the venue until midnight.
Marn is the best.
Master Milk
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Peacock, save me!
Ditto on losing the glasses mechanic and keep him largely the same.
I have NEVER seen so many random Phantom Dances in my life. It's now one of the best hypers in the game because it's basically a semi-permanent buff hyper with damage on top of it. No other character has a ridiculous "tool" like this if you can even call it a tool.
SSSOOOO many dropped combos in top 8 it was absurd. It then is no surprise that the team composed of characters with the access to the easiest and highest damage in the game dominated.
Good thing that will come from this tournament is that people are finally going to think about anti-Wesker tech or match ups. By tech I just mean how to learn to deal with him and actually play characters like Zero more.
I have NEVER seen so many random Phantom Dances in my life. It's now one of the best hypers in the game because it's basically a semi-permanent buff hyper with damage on top of it. No other character has a ridiculous "tool" like this if you can even call it a tool.
SSSOOOO many dropped combos in top 8 it was absurd. It then is no surprise that the team composed of characters with the access to the easiest and highest damage in the game dominated.
Good thing that will come from this tournament is that people are finally going to think about anti-Wesker tech or match ups. By tech I just mean how to learn to deal with him and actually play characters like Zero more.
Killa Sasa
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Bingo. Zero, Trish, Spider-Man and a decent amount of others eat up Wesker.
I don't think this is a one-team-takes-all game anymore. Matchups count.
Agree with people not impressed at all by PR's play. Sloppy shit, not sure how he ended up winning but oh well. Hopefully the next major tournament isn't filled with sloppy ass playin and scrub wesker combos. I mean half of these weskers weren't even that good, but sadly they don't need to be because his simple basic combos are all it takes.
I know the game hasn't been out for very long but I didn't expect this much sloppy play tbh.
I know the game hasn't been out for very long but I didn't expect this much sloppy play tbh.
Professor Beef
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You should use that one guy's team of Nemesis/Sentinel/Wesker.
If you think the glasses buff mechanic is fair (because it pretty much invalidates all of his nerfs and makes him much better than vanilla Wesker), I'm not really sure what your definition of fair is.
Infinite Justice
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biosnake20
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One of the biggest reasons there were so many dropped combos was because of the re-tuned hitstun scaling in umvc3. People arent adjusted to it yet.
SolarPowered
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She'd probably shoot you in the face!
I think I'll stick with my man Bang and KOF may keep me company too.
lowhighkang_LHK
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Reposting:
Top 8 Character usage:
Wesker - 7
Wolverine - 3
Akuma - 2
Spencer - 1
Ryu - 1
Frank West - 1
Storm - 1
Magneto - 1
Dante - 1
Trish - 1
Taskmaster - 1
Felicia - 1
Vergil - 1
Super-Skrull -1
Firebrand - 1
Hawkeye - 1
As for Wesker - I'd hope this causes people to create anti-Wesker tech, and Capcom wouldn't have to nerf anyone. But with a character that has so many tools, and is so safe, it's hard to find tech against Wesker other than not get hit and maybe some particular match ups.
Top 8 Character usage:
Wesker - 7
Wolverine - 3
Akuma - 2
Spencer - 1
Ryu - 1
Frank West - 1
Storm - 1
Magneto - 1
Dante - 1
Trish - 1
Taskmaster - 1
Felicia - 1
Vergil - 1
Super-Skrull -1
Firebrand - 1
Hawkeye - 1
As for Wesker - I'd hope this causes people to create anti-Wesker tech, and Capcom wouldn't have to nerf anyone. But with a character that has so many tools, and is so safe, it's hard to find tech against Wesker other than not get hit and maybe some particular match ups.
To be fair, Zero is kind of on the same/higher tier than Wesker as you think about it...its just more likely to drop his combos in a high-stakes match.
Coming up with anti-Wesker tech is kinda difficult in the sense that as long as Wesker uses his extremely good normals effectively, there aren't any real openings outside of guard cancelling. only real way to fish a hit out is to play better rush down than him or find ways to bait out unsafe teleports.
I can't really rationalize a patch now - there's a lot of time to see how the game evolves. I'd probably wait until the Road to EVO tourneys start up.
ThatCrazyGuy
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can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not, hehe.
If NERF is such a bad word for people, lets use ADJUST, TWEAK, or something.
Capcom, adjust the glasses mechanic for wesker, it is dumb and not needed. getting XF1 bonuses for random supers is dumb. Leave everything else about him.
Saying you can deal with it is avoiding the fact it is stupid. hey, I can deal with aids and cancer as well, it is still dumb and unnecessary though.
Killa Sasa
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It isn't fair, but Zero's pizza slicer and Nova's javelin glitch/H combos aren't fair either. There's a ton of bullshit in this game, don't know why people are getting caught up with what's fair now. Glasses buff is kinda dumb but doesn't turn him into some havoc-wreaking Godzilla.
Wesker as is is no Phoenix or Super (aka Vanilla) Wolverine. Not that you're saying that, but you'd think he was from how much people seem to hate him. I think he's a stupid character but I just don't understand why he gets so much shit
Master Milk
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Badaboom!
I'm really anxious to see how the scene takes to it. Marvel's lookin kinda Dark Wesker, and people might be in the mood for something new come February . . .
Maybe it was in the UMVC3 thread, but I remember reading some post that had at least ten bad match-ups for Dark Wesker with all his buffs on deck. To me that says that there's definitely a way to deal with him, in theory, but still, Weskers. Everywhere.
I think the reaction to Wesker right now is closer to everyone's reaction to Sent from Vanilla opposed to DP through Vanilla's life.
The game is way too young and this tourney proved it. End of Vanilla technology (Wolvie/Wesker) beat out everything players learned since Ultimate launched.
I'd rather wait a little longer to see how this shakes out. Yeah, it looks like he has way to many advantages right now and does need some adjustment, but the degree to which he needs adjustment will be better determined after some more time.
Never said it was fair, but the only thing stupider than it is people saying NERF NAO, IGNORE TEH METAGAMEZ UND NERF NAO.
Sentinel got hit pretty hard after the nerf and he ended up perfectly balanced afterwards and Sentinel players bailed the fuck out everywhere. In the metagame he wouldn't have been so bad either and probably would've ended up skimming the top tier. It should be nerfed, but give it a second to resonate before you start making knee-jerk reactions.
EDIT: BrownGAF gets it ^.
Karsticles
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Two kinds of people think Wesker is okay:
1) People who have a character that counter-picks him.
2) People who play Wesker.
That's not the same as Wesker being okay.
1) People who have a character that counter-picks him.
2) People who play Wesker.
That's not the same as Wesker being okay.
sixteen-bit
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Multiple execution errors from Justin
ThatCrazyGuy
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Asking for maximum wesker to not randomly cross up is a knee jerk reaction?
I can definitely rationalize a patch to remove the sun glasses mechanic completely. For the record I don't even think that Wesker is the best character on paper... but the mechanic is so dumb that it should be removed from any character just on the basis of principle.
Honestly all this "patch" would do is make Wesker as good as he was in vanilla minus the efficacy of his counter and gun conversion into combos and anchor potency. That is extremely reasonable. Also removal of cross up on his Phantom Dance because that shit is probably dumber.
Honestly all this "patch" would do is make Wesker as good as he was in vanilla minus the efficacy of his counter and gun conversion into combos and anchor potency. That is extremely reasonable. Also removal of cross up on his Phantom Dance because that shit is probably dumber.
Well, you were saying that the top tier in Vanilla wasn't ravaged (nerfed) just because PR Balrog (who has one of the best Wolverine's in the world) was able to win it using him. I'm just saying that's simply not true.
Sentinel is perfectly balanced as he is right now.
Wesker right now is broken. Not broken as far as tiers are concerned, broken because his shit doesn't make sense. The glasses buff creates more random cross-up Maximum Weskers. That is an actual problem, not a knee-jerk reaction.
For the record, I have Wesker on my main team, and have since the first week of Vanilla.
SolarPowered
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Yeah, this "don't nerf, just buff!" mentality needs to die in a fire.
There are total garbage characters in fighters and there are totally stupid characters in god tier. Acting like you can just bridge the gap or buff everyone to similar levels is EXTREMELY shortsighted and it sounds like the last resort of people who don't know how to play or analyze the game.
Fighters are all about give and take. Always has been always will be.
Probably not too well.
What I've been saying since before the game came out. Knowing Capcom... they'll probably patch him and he will stay the same or become garbage.
*sighs*
My biggest issue with Wesker is he literally fits on any team, and does not require any kind of special help to get the most out of him. His gun shot assist = great for any team. He's fine in any of the three spots. Plus, his level 1 hyper will fit in any DHC set up.
Toss in the fact he has high health, level 4 x factor, high damage, crazy mix ups, and well yeah you got a character that makes any team better and deserves some adjustments.
Toss in the fact he has high health, level 4 x factor, high damage, crazy mix ups, and well yeah you got a character that makes any team better and deserves some adjustments.
ITT: A few posters think that Wesker's lvl 1 super should permanently randomly cross-up. Good shit, guys.
On that record, I have no issue with how PR Rog was using Wolverine - it's ridiculous, but Wolverine was definitely Rog's best character in the team.
A lot of the end matches, however, look a lot like vanilla MVC3 with Phoenix mirrors, except this is replaced with Wesker mirrors.
On that record, I have no issue with how PR Rog was using Wolverine - it's ridiculous, but Wolverine was definitely Rog's best character in the team.
A lot of the end matches, however, look a lot like vanilla MVC3 with Phoenix mirrors, except this is replaced with Wesker mirrors.
Ogrekiller
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Wong's spreading himself too thin. He's no Tokido in that regard. KOF, SF and UMvC3 just too much.
SolarKnight
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It isn't fair, but Zero's pizza slicer and Nova's javelin glitch/H combos aren't fair either. There's a ton of bullshit in this game, don't know why people are getting caught up with what's fair now. Glasses buff is kinda dumb but doesn't turn him into some havoc-wreaking Godzilla.
Wesker as is is no Phoenix or Super (aka Vanilla) Wolverine. Not that you're saying that, but you'd think he was from how much people seem to hate him. I think he's a stupid character but I just don't understand why he gets so much shit
Yeah, there's more bullshit in the game, but what I think annoys the most about the glasses buff is that it makes all of his nerfs in the Vanilla->Ultimate transition completely irrelevant for the price of almost nothing :|
biosnake20
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I just want them to nerf xfactor, again.
Lazy vs Crazy
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You forgot a 1 frame command grab.
Crossing up was never an issue in Vanilla - back then, it barely did any damage, and now, the most you'll get off a crossed up Phantom Dance is maybe...~150k? (at the cost at potentially being punished for it - people were punishing it from mid screen)
Note: I'm not saying Wesker shouldn't be changed, I just thing that making changes really early kinda ruins the "develop new technology" aspect of the game.
Probably the least annoying "bullshit" thing in UMvC3. Oh you got 50k more damage in, congrats. It's a non-issue to me.
The glasses mechanic is unnecessary, and probably should be removed, but your being naive if you want it out this early, and ignorant of the potential metagame. Imagine if before Balance Patch 01 came out Niitsuma and co actually took some of the Phoenix and Wolverine madness into account, people wouldn't be bitching as much. Screaming for patches early is stupid.
That 150k or however can mean a lot in such crucial moments.
sixteen-bit
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if Art plays it at this pace, he might take it.
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