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[ratcliffja]

It was beautiful.

 

[Barrage]

Just the PPVs, I haven't watched RAW in over a year. I haven't even watched SS yet (other than Brock v Goldberg) I don't think I can be bothered, it sounds like the same old shit.

...Wyatt winning clean?

Shield Powerbombs? Frogsplash RKOs?

Squash main events?

Same old shit?

And do you really use web summaries to decide whether an event is good or not? Does the match itself matter at all?

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

Just turn him heel its how people get over hehe

This needs to die. Every time someone is boring it's "turn them heel!".

 

[Bluekaveli]

People really need to watch his Austin podcast (on the wwe network for 9.99!)

He said he just cares about getting paid.

He's not a mark for himself.

I loved how Austin had to hold in everything on that show to prevent from being squashed by Brock.

 

[klonere]

This needs to die. Every time someone is boring it's "turn them heel!".

I mean I am right you know

 

[Ithil]

Would the crowd BOO Roman though if the company wanted him to be BOO'd?

That is the question.

People keep saying the "turn heel, automatically cheered" thing but that's overly simplifying it. Being a face in WWE is hideously stifling, you gotta have next to no character and read out putrid catchphrases and corny lines. They have way more freedom as a heel to be themselves or at least play a character, which usually leads to them being way more entertaining.

The New Day are a textbook example, including the "turned back face because you were too popular as a heel" part. If Reigns turned heel and developed an entertaining presence and character, he would get cheered in time. If not, he's still going to be booed, but at least it's the correct response then.

 

[Bluekaveli]

This needs to die. Every time someone is boring it's "turn them heel!".

The hotter the heel, the hotter the baby. As a face some of these guys just can't do anything. The white meat smiling baby doesn't work anymore.

APOLLO!

The shining stars are smiling heels and they're over as fuck.

Come to Puerto Rico!

 

[slightconfuse]

I don't think Roman has the "it" factor to be a company carrying guy but anything would be better than what he is doing now. A heel turn inst magic you still have to talk


Guy has been given so much and hasn't really risen above it.

The closest guy I can think of would be KO

 

[klonere]

The hotter the heel, the hotter the baby. As a face some of these guys just can't do anything. The white meat smiling baby doesn't work anymore.

APOLLO!

The shining stars are smiling heels and they're over as fuck.

Come to Puerto Rico!

modern babyfaces suck so fucking much and its not even a WWE-only problem

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

This needs to die. Every time someone is boring it's "turn them heel!".

path of least resistance to repackage someone who isn't working out is to turn them.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

path of least resistance to repackage someone who isn't working out is to turn them.

I know, but Finn was on the main event for all of 4 weeks and those 4 weeks were red hot; i think he's been boring as hell under WWE but statement still stands

 

[Sephzilla]

This needs to die. Every time someone is boring it's "turn them heel!".

Wrestlers become way more interesting and less boring when they turn heel. This has been a thing for decades

 

[HazySaiyan]

...Wyatt winning clean?

Shield Powerbombs? Frogsplash RKOs?

Squash main events?

Same old shit?

And do you really use web summaries to decide whether an event is good or not? Does the match itself matter at all?

Incompetent, nonsensical booking? Focusing more on 'moments' and social media than actual storytelling? Sounds like the same old shit to me. And I'm not wasting nearly six hours of my life to watch something that I know I'm not going to enjoy.

 

[imBask]

Turn them heelcember

 

[Professor Beef]

Wrestlers become way more interesting and less boring when they turn heel. This has been a thing for decades

YOU should turn heel, then. *folds arms and nods*

 

[slightconfuse]

Shoot

 

[Caderfix]

Turn them heelcember

Heelcember is a good idea. I support this even if you're just joking.

 

[Mahonay]

Heelcember is a good idea. I support this even if you're just joking.

Only if Naito is prominently featured.

 

[Sephzilla]

YOU should turn heel, then. *folds arms and nods*

 

[slightconfuse]

Only if Naito is prominently featured.

He said Heelcember not JOBcember

 

[imBask]

Heelcember is a good idea. I support this even if you're just joking.

it would be the biggest draw in WrassleGAF history tbh, everyone just turns heel and Zach starts handing out straight A's? i'm in

 

[Mahonay]

He said Heelcember not JOBcember

:-(

 

[Caderfix]

Only if Naito is prominently featured.

You got it, now make it happen, pal.

 

[Sephzilla]

Just to clarify, heel turns always make a wrestler more interesting if they are not named The Big Show

it would be the biggest draw in WrassleGAF history tbh, everyone just turns heel and Zach starts handing out straight A's? i'm in

Zach hands out Fs all the time.
Imbask rocks a Bayley avatar.
HazySaiyan rocks a Goku avatar.
Beef snitches on everyone (status quo)
Everyone asks for stro to return

#HEELCember

 

[Caderfix]

Just to clarify, heel turns always make a wrestler more interesting if they are not named The Big Show

That's not entirely true. Heel Titus sucks just as much as face Titus.

 

[Mahonay]

That's not entirely true. Heel Titus sucks just as much as face Titus.

Titus just sucks.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

Just to clarify, heel turns always make a wrestler more interesting if they are not named The Big Show

Sure, but then you'd just have a bunch of heels and we end up in the nWo BS again

i think Finn can succeed as a face, but he would def be better as a cocky heel ala Styles

 

[Kaladin]

Heels usually have more motivation than babyfaces. It's not just in wrestling, look at comics too.

 

[Mahonay]

Sure, but then you'd just have a bunch of heels and we end up in the nWo BS again

i think Finn can succeed as a face, but he would def be better as a cocky heel ala Styles

The issue is that to get people to get behind faces and actively cheer for them, you absolutely need good booking/storytelling, which RAW has very little of.

 

[Bluekaveli]

http://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/w...-225041?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Here's a few updates coming out of last night's Survivor Series show:

- The Shane McMahon injury was very much real, but by later in the night, he was telling everyone he was feeling fine and his family was with him backstage.

McMahon was supposed to be pinned after a coast-to-coast dropkick got reversed into a spear by Roman Reigns. The spot, with a high degree of
difficulty, saw both men shaken up and they may have bonked heads. When the referee saw Shane was injured, they held up the match to attend to him.

At one point, Randy Orton broke character and went to Shane's children at ringside to tell them that Shane was okay.

- Brock Lesnar flew back home after the show and will not be on tonight's Raw. Bill Goldberg was not advertised for tonight, but he is scheduled on the show. As of right now, Paul Heyman is not scheduled on the show.

As noted last night on Wrestling Observer Radio, Goldberg and Lesnar will be wrestling again, and perhaps more than just once more.

 

[Sephzilla]

Sure, but then you'd just have a bunch of heels and we end up in the nWo BS again

i think Finn can succeed as a face, but he would def be better as a cocky heel ala Styles

But even the nWo, despite having a million heels in their faction, had faces against them who were over as fuck

WCW's problem was they didn't realize the nWo was supposed to lose at some point.

 

[SallyIsNow]

Fucking hate this guy

"He only does what they tell him to do!"
Despite everyone telling him the SummerSlam Nexus finish was wrong, he said fuck it and did it anyways. Fuck John Cena.

 

[imBask]

I think i'm going to skip the ECW PPV on Zach's F list unless someone really convinces me to watch it

I just have 0 interest in ECW and never did

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

I'm gonna shoot and say the Shield reunion spot was pretty shit.

 

[klonere]

Imagine if Sting had beaten Hogan in 97 like Goldberg just beat Brock.

 

[Sephzilla]

Imagine if Sting had beaten Hogan in 97 like Goldberg just beat Brock.

It doesn't even need to be that. Just imagine if Sting beat Hogan cleanly and the nWo disbanded as a result. AKA - imagine if WCW booked the proper ending to that.

 

[Bluekaveli]

Just like Davey boy vs bret, he's fooked

 

[TimeEffect]

Are you guys ready for New Day to drop the titles to Sheasaro?

 

[Sibersk Esto]

With WWE all the discussion is based around wishing and hoping. Then the disappointment sets it, its shrugged off then the wishing and hoping begins again.

You know what else is like this?

Life.

 

[funkystudent]

Are you guys ready for New Day to drop the titles to Sheasaro?

I am so ready for the New Day to be done


I liked them but they had their run. It got stale 6 months ago.

 

[Bluekaveli]

Are you guys ready for New Day to drop the titles to Sheasaro?

Ha! I think tonight the foreign powers explode!

 

[Kornflayx]

But even the nWo, despite having a million heels in their faction, had faces against them who were over as fuck

Because those faces were cool as fuck.

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

Don't turn heel, friends. Goldberg proved we need more superheroes.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

Are you guys ready for New Day to drop the titles to Sheasaro?

They'll have the one-reign Demolition record beaten by Roadblock I think. So they might actually lose them unless WWE want that combined reign record also beaten.

 

[Menome]

Are you guys ready for New Day to drop the titles to Sheasaro?

New Day have yet to beat Demolition's record. The belts stay on.

 

[TimeEffect]

New Day have yet to beat Demolition's record. The belts stay on.

I think Toronto is a great smark city for Cesaro and Sheamus to go over without getting booed. And Im pretty sure Toronto is totally over New Day and absolutely in love with Cesaro and even Sheamus.

 

[Professor Beef]

Don't turn heel, friends. Goldberg proved we need more superheroes.

I've been a heel since my debut in WrestlingGAF. #HeelBeef isn't just a hashtag, it's a way of life.

 

[DMczaf]

http://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/w...-225041?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Dadberg! 😀😀😀😀

 

[Fox318]

Only if Naito is prominently featured.

Its not Jobuary yet.

 

[HazySaiyan]

Just to clarify, heel turns always make a wrestler more interesting if they are not named The Big Show



Zach hands out Fs all the time.
Imbask rocks a Bayley avatar.
HazySaiyan rocks a Goku avatar.
Beef snitches on everyone (status quo)
Everyone asks for stro to return

#HEELCember

Careful now