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[slightconfuse]

Anyone else still shocked at not only AJ being champ but just how over he is.

Guy has had a crazy year

 

[Caderfix]

Remember when Brock squashed Cena and that ruined Cena? Oh wait, Cena went on to have his best run after that.

I won't say anything else on this topic, as I don't want to sound like a broken record (at least not more than I already do haha), but I'll say this, regardless of how I feel about the match, Goldberg looks GREAT. He's in better shape than pretty much everyone else in the roster and that Jackhammer was beautiful.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

#Shoot: Orton being with the Wyatt Family is shaping up to be his best run in years.

 

[Mahonay]

When Brock decides to sell, he's one of the best sellers in the business. And when he sees that you're not selling, RIP Braun Strowman.

Accurate.

 

[Kaladin]

Last night was the first I had heard of Orton being with the Wyatt family.....what is this chicanery?

 

[DMczaf]

Anyone else still shocked at not only AJ being champ but just how over he is.

Guy has had a crazy year

Vince is still shook by it I bet

 

[Mahonay]

Last night was the first I had heard of Orton being with the Wyatt family.....what is this chicanery?

It was a hilariously ridiculous Smackdown storyline, but I'm loving him in The Wyatts.

 

[Bluekaveli]

On this day in 2010:

Oh the hope we had.

...... How they fucked up the entire nexus storyline, I'll never know. They should've won at SS, then Wade should've won the title.

 

[Tom Nook]

Looks like Goldberg will be at the Royal Rumble match.

I predicting Lesnar interferes Goldberg's rumble match then a 3rd and final match at WM.

 

[SquashMatch]

I won't say anything else on this topic, as I don't want to sound like a broken record (at least not more than I already do haha), but I'll say this, regardless of how I feel about the match, Goldberg looks GREAT. He's in better shape than pretty much everyone else in the roster and that Jackhammer was beautiful.

What I've really enjoyed about Goldberg being back have been his promos. He just gets it and he completely won over crowds week after week that many in the audience were not familiar with his work.

The public speaking circuit really helped him a lot and he should really consider getting a Brock contract so he can pop in from time to time for matches as the roster could really learn a lot from him about intensity, non verbal communication and making promos feel real and not canned.

He has also aged magnificently. Body looks good, face has aged well, and the grey facial hair just makes him look like an old grizzled bad ass.

 

[wild wild rice]

Anyone else still shocked at not only AJ being champ but just how over he is.

Guy has had a crazy year

Yeah, it's great. The only dude more over than him in that match last night was probably Jericho.

 

[Mahonay]

Yeah, it's great. The only dude more over than him in that match last night was probably Jericho.

Because Canada.

 

[ratcliffja]

Still looks looks incredible in gear. Gives more believable promos than the entire roster. Turns into Santa Claus around children. Proved to be a great human being in his time away from wrasslin.

Yeah he deserves this. He's a legitimately great human being.
Edit: I just realized I used your exact phrasing. Whatever.
Second edit: Yeah AJ has had an amazing run. He's among the most dominant heels under 7 feet tall they've had and certainly the most dominant under 6 feet. The fact that they had to temporarily reform the Shield just to beat him says a lot.

 

[Sephzilla]

I won't say anything else on this topic, as I don't want to sound like a broken record (at least not more than I already do haha), but I'll say this, regardless of how I feel about the match, Goldberg looks GREAT. He's in better shape than pretty much everyone else in the roster and that Jackhammer was beautiful.

What I've really enjoyed about Goldberg being back have been his promos. He just gets it and he completely won over crowds week after week that many in the audience were not familiar with his work.

The public speaking circuit really helped him a lot and he should really consider getting a Brock contract so he can pop in from time to time for matches as the roster could really learn a lot from him about intensity, non verbal communication and making promos feel real and not canned.

He has also aged magnificently. Body looks good, face has aged well, and the grey facial hair just makes him look like an old grizzled bad ass.

Yeah, Goldberg physically looks in fantastic shape - way better than Sting or Taker, for comparison. And Goldberg's promos for this are probably the best promos he's ever given

 

[BronsonLee]

Ya this doesn't happen if Goldberg doesn't cut the promo of his goddamn life when he comes back on RAW

 

[Caderfix]

Yeah, it's great. The only dude more over than him in that match last night was probably Jericho.

When AJ and Rollins were in the ring together I went nuts. Unfortunately, nothing happened.

AJ vs Rollins and AJ vs Owens are the two feuds that I NEED.

 

[SquashMatch]

Still looks looks incredible in gear. Gives more believable promos than the entire roster. Turns into Santa Claus around children. Proved to be a great human being in his time away from wrasslin.

Goldberg should be the template for baby faces, especially the bigger guys. In the ring is all business in terms of promos, aggression, mindset, etc but out of the ring goes out of his way to acknowledge fans, especially children.

This is what they did with Hogan, Savage, Bret Hart etc

Guys like Stone Cold and the Rock are exceptions and not the ideal way to build a baby face. That being said Roman desperately needs a Rock moment where he turns and evicerates the crowd and then comes to the show in a suit with hair slicked back every week, drop the swat gear and act like a silver spoon heel who knows he is the future.

That's what the fans want to see and I think it will help him just as it did the Rock.

 

[Kaladin]

AJ Styles should be on Raw with Kevin Owens and Chris Jericho on Smackdown.

Send The Club to Smackdown to and keep them separate.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

Please, please, please have Emmalina debut tonight and don't give us another premiering soon segment. And please make it a decent gimmick after all.

 

[Sephzilla]

Survivor Series just furthered the belief that Roman needs a heel turn in the worst way, a la Rock. The only pop he was even remotely associated with last night was the Shield triple powerbomb. They should start hardcore teasing a Shield reunion, only for Roman to betray both of them and go "fuck you guys"

 

[miserable]

does this look like a good spear (or even A spear) to you? it looks like a takedown, like the one hid did on Rock in his WWE debut, which even good ol' JR called a takedown at first

 

[BronsonLee]

does this look like a good spear (or even A spear) to you? it looks like a takedown, like the one hid did on Rock in his WWE debut, which even good ol' JR called a takedown at first

Ya cause he speared the fucking shit out of him

Then he did it again

 

[Mahonay]

Please, please, please have Emmalina debut tonight and don't give us another premiering soon segment. And please make it a decent gimmick after all.

Lol you should probably stop being hopeful about her new gimmick. Looks insanely awful. Although looking at Emma being hot might be ok.

 

[Kaladin]

Survivor Series just furthered the belief that Roman needs a heel turn in the worst way, a la Rock. The only pop he was even remotely associated with last night was the Shield triple powerbomb. They should start hardcore teasing a Shield reunion, only for Roman to betray both of them and go "fuck you guys"

Would the crowd BOO Roman though if the company wanted him to be BOO'd?

That is the question.

 

[Uno Venova]

Choosing between Roman to take out Brock or a squash by Goldberg, I'll choose what happened last night every time.

 

[Sephzilla]

Would the crowd BOO Roman though if the company wanted him to be BOO'd?

That is the question.

The company doesn't want Roman boo'd though, they want him cheered. Turning him heel might ultimately get them what they want

 

[Mahonay]

does this look like a good spear (or even A spear) to you? it looks like a takedown, like the one hid did on Rock in his WWE debut, which even good ol' JR called a takedown at first

Lol what? His spears looked fucking great. Makes Roman's look like trash.

Choosing between Roman to take out Brock or a squash by Goldberg, I'll choose chat happened last night every time.

This.

 

[SallyIsNow]

does this look like a good spear (or even A spear) to you? it looks like a takedown, like the one hid did on Rock in his WWE debut, which even good ol' JR called a takedown at first

Some of the best spears WWE has seen in years.

 

[Kaladin]

The company doesn't want Roman boo'd though, they want him cheered. Turning him heel might ultimately get them what they want

I know, but my question is, if they turned him heel, and the crowd was supposed to boo him, would they?

Or would they go silent to Roman's heel turn, or even cheer him as he heels it up?

 

[Caderfix]

Goldberg should be the template for baby faces, especially the bigger guys. In the ring is all business in terms of promos, aggression, mindset, etc but out of the ring goes out of his way to acknowledge fans, especially children.

This is what they did with Hogan, Savage, Bret Hart etc

Guys like Stone Cold and the Rock are exceptions and not the ideal way to build a baby face. That being said Roman desperately needs a Rock moment where he turns and evicerates the crowd and then comes to the show in a suit with hair slicked back every week, drop the swat gear and act like a silver spoon heel who knows he is the future.

That's what the fans want to see and I think it will help him just as it did the Rock.

I say keep Roman's looks and tough guy persona. Just make him go "Screw it, there's no winning any of you over. I'm doing this for myself" and go around being a mostly silent menace attacking anyone who looks at him the wrong way.

His type of charisma doesn't match with a cocky "I'm the best", his charisma matches with a cocky "I'm untouchable and don't need anyone".

 

[BronsonLee]

Roman should get Baron's promos

 

[Sephzilla]

I know, but my question is, if they turned him heel, and the crowd was supposed to boo him, would they?

Or would they go silent to Roman's heel turn, or even cheer him as he heels it up?

Depends how he acts as a heel. Ideally, heel Roman is a guy who's character doesn't change much at all. The only difference is that the authority figures are open about the fact that Roman keeps getting title shot after title shot because they want him as a marketing figure.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

Lol you should probably stop being hopeful about her new gimmick. Looks insanely awful. Although looking at Emma being hot might be ok.

I'm badly holding out for the hope that the fact it's been teased for so long means it's somehow going to be a swerve.

 

[Mahonay]

I say keep Roman's looks and tough guy persona. Just make him go "Screw it, there's no winning any of you over. I'm doing this for myself" and go around being a mostly silent menace attacking anyone who looks at him the wrong way.

His type of charisma doesn't match with a cocky "I'm the best", his charisma matches with a cocky "I'm untouchable and don't need anyone".

They already have him not talking much and just being aggressive. It's not working.

He needs a proper full heel turn.

 

[Caderfix]

Roman should get Baron's promos

Except Baron is more of an opportunist. I'd be down with that.

 

[Kaladin]

Depends how he acts as a heel. Ideally, heel Roman is a guy who's character doesn't change much at all. The only difference is that the authority figures are open about the fact that Roman keeps getting title shot after title shot because they want him as a marketing figure.

For that to work, you'd have to have a babyface who the fans love equally to combat the hate Roman would get with the authority accepting him and shoving him down the fans throats.

They haven't really had that since Daniel Bryan.

 

[SallyIsNow]

Roman should take a note out of his football career and stop.

 

[GunBR]

Survivor Series just furthered the belief that Roman needs a heel turn in the worst way, a la Rock. The only pop he was even remotely associated with last night was the Shield triple powerbomb. They should start hardcore teasing a Shield reunion, only for Roman to betray both of them and go "fuck you guys"

Besides that, he needs to stay on the mid card for some time.
1 year (or more) doing good matches with the US title maybe would make people start to like him

But looks like he is fighting for the Universal title in december...WWE never learns

 

[Recall]

...... How they fucked up the entire nexus storyline, I'll never know. They should've won at SS, then Wade should've won the title.

Jericho and Edge covered it in a podcast, basically Cena nixed the whole push and plenty of other wrestlers disagreed with Cena doing it too.

 

[Uno Venova]

If Roman started selling like the Undertaker did instead of getting almost no offense in, playing dead and then pulling out the win it would make him infinitely more likable, along with an asshole persona.

 

[Mahonay]

I'm badly holding out for the hope that the fact it's been teased for so long means it's somehow going to be a swerve.

Lol uh, WWE has a prolific history of teasing new gimmicks that immediately end up being terrible and are then given up on.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

Lol what? His spears looked fucking great. Makes Roman's look like trash.

Roman frigging speared shane's throat/chin last night, that was horrific.

Hope shaneo is ok

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

I've come to accept the best chance for Heel Roman is FCW Roman with the suit and the money and the knowledge that he knows he's better then everyone.

 

[wild wild rice]

When AJ and Rollins were in the ring together I went nuts. Unfortunately, nothing happened.

AJ vs Rollins and AJ vs Owens are the two feuds that I NEED.

Totally agree. Those two face-offs put a smile on my face.

 

[Caderfix]

They already have him not talking much and just being aggressive. It's not working.

He needs a proper full heel turn.

He just needs to dominate the entire match instead of overcoming the odds in the final minute, stop with the catch phrases for a while and be aggressive in a heel way, attacking people back stage, before they get in the ring or straight up trying to injure his opponents.

Basically, make him more intense and stop being "honorable". There's not a lot wrong with with current Roman other than his motivation and "controlled" temper, imo. Those simple tweeks would be a proper heel turn.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

Lol uh, WWE has a prolific history of teasing new gimmicks that immediately end up being terrible and are then given up on.

 

[Sephzilla]

For that to work, you'd have to have a babyface who the fans love equally to combat the hate Roman would get with the authority accepting him and shoving him down the fans throats.

They haven't really had that since Daniel Bryan.

Their most over faces, ironically, are heels. There's a case to be made that KO, Jericho, and Styles are probably the most over full-timers in the company right now.

 

[Bluekaveli]

Jericho and Edge covered it in a podcast, basically Cena nixed the whole push and plenty of other wrestlers disagreed with Cena doing it too.

Trust me, I reference that podcast so much. Then the idiot comes back later and says, yeah maybe you guys were right. They should've went over.

 

[Mahonay]

Roman frigging speared shane's throat/chin last night, that was horrific.

Hope shaneo is ok

Hit him way too high for sure. But Shane was also in air flying across the ring. A dangerous spot with an insanely small margin of error. Immediately when it happenend and it looked like Shane got murdered I said out loud "Why the fuck would they even try that?"

 

[Kaladin]

Their most over faces, ironically, are heels. There's a case to be made that KO, Jericho, and Styles are probably the most over full-timers in the company right now.

That's an understatement. There is no top babyface for KO beyond Seth Rollins, and no top babyface for AJ Styles beyond Dean Ambrose.

Raw could have really used Finn Balor though, he was that top babyface they're missing and that first night on Raw was hot fire. Damn shame.