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British Monsoon

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Data West said:
All the NJPW matches he gave 5 stars to are singles matches. The last tag team match he gave to that prior to the Dragon Gate match was in 1997. And when you look at teams like Strong BJ, Twin Towers, Happy Motel, Los Traumas, Averno & Chessman, The Revival, whoever else, you can't say a Bucks match deserved it more.
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I can't personally, but obviously Dave can - and why don't the Bucks deserve it? Because you don't like them? I saw them put on a MOTY against The Briscoe Brothers last Sunday, but I doubt Dave will even watch that one.

Data West said:
Personally I don't care what he rates stuff. He doesn't watch most the stuff I watch. The issue comes when other people care so much about his ratings and get upset when his ratings don't match up to their opinions. Like it means anything. And a lot of people do it.
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I edited the above to show that we're basically arguing the same thing here. Dave's ratings don't matter, it's one man's opinion and, ultimately, who cares?

FlammableD said:
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A YEAR IN THE MAKING kinda
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Excited for the match, know the crowd's going to be weird though.
 
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British Monsoon

Member
FlammableD said:
Zack will 100% be the heel. How they deal with that... who knows.
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I'm guessing they'll try and forge on with the logical storyline, even knowing full well that the crowd likely won't play ball. The story has Zack as the good guy who was led astray and then turned on by his bastard of a friend. All kayfabe logic dictates that Marty is the fucking heel here, but I guess he's too good for that, plus his theme does go "WOOP WOOP!", so obviously most of York Hall will be defying logic to cheer for Marty.
 
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klonere

Banned
Did the shoot an angle for Zack/Marty at Global Wars? Did I miss something? I am aware of the long term storyline but didn't catch the turning point...
 
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British Monsoon

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A better technical wrestler, for sure, but his body of work absolutely pales in comparison to either Kobashi or Misawa's.

klonere said:
Did the shoot an angle for Zack/Marty at Global Wars? Did I miss something? I am aware of the long term storyline but didn't catch the turning point...
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It was after the LIJ/LDRS tag, Marty cut an emotional promo hinting that both he and Zack wouldn't be around as much next year, then they hugged it out and Marty kicked him in the balls and said the LDRS were dead.

That *actually* resulted in boos for once and Zack got some sympy, but the whole thing was weird as the crowd had been booing Zack and cheering Marty throughout the preceding match.
 
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klonere

Banned
British Monsoon said:
A better technical wrestler, for sure, but his body of work absolutely pales in comparison to either Kobashi or Misawa's.



It was after the LIJ/LDRS tag, Marty cut an emotional promo hinting that both he and Zack wouldn't be around as much next year, then they hugged it out and Marty kicked him in the balls and said the LDRS were dead.

That *actually* resulted in boos for once and Zack got some sympy, but the whole thing was weird as the crowd had been booing Zack and cheering Marty throughout the preceding match.
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I think Marty is going to have to drop all his theatrics in ring and maybe even change his finisher if he truly wants to be a heel. The mixture of his shtick with actual heel shenanigans (choking out Glen, Kris Travis, above stuff with Zack) just makes him a tweener at best. His current act is fine for random indie match #423 but in a program with defined babyface/heel dynamic it's conclusively been proven not to work imo.
 
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Zach

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British Monsoon said:
Shit, I'm not the one bagging on a man for his opinions about freaking wrestling of all things. So Big Dave didn't like the Obvious MOTY And Bestest Tag Match EVER™ as much as you guys, huh? Shame.
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Data West said:
Who the fuck is bagging him? He asked, I told him. It's a running theme of his reviews in recent years. DoFixer vs Blood Generation isn't even a memorable match in the library of Dragon Gate matches but because Meltzer was there live and because there were lots of spots he'd never seen before, he gave it 5 stars.
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British Monsoon said:
A running theme? I would bring up the other three 5* matches from Dave this year, none of which were spotfests, but as they're all NJPW matches I doubt it'll help much :p

Also, the DG tag totally deserved it at the time because it was a spectacular match and it introduced a whole style not just to Meltzer, but to lots of fans across the world. Sure, there were better DG tags before and since that match, but we're talking degrees of awesomeness here - it's like trying to decide which 90's M-Pro tag is the best.
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Data West said:
All the NJPW matches he gave 5 stars to are singles matches. The last tag team match he gave to that prior to the Dragon Gate match was in 1997. And when you look at teams like Strong BJ, Twin Towers, Happy Motel, Los Traumas, Averno & Chessman, The Revival, whoever else, you can't say a Bucks match deserved it more. Even the GOD vs Kojima and friend was better than any match the Bucks have put on. Pretty much every Units Disband match has been better than the ROH DG match with hotter crowds.

Personally I don't care what he rates stuff. He doesn't watch most the stuff I watch. The issue comes when other people care so much about his ratings and use it as some sort of principle of their argument. Like it means anything. And a lot of people do it.
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You guys are adorable.
 
Barrage

Barrage

Member
klonere said:
I think Marty is going to have to drop all his theatrics in ring and maybe even change his finisher if he truly wants to be a heel. The mixture of his shtick with actual heel shenanigans (choking out Glen, Kris Travis, above stuff with Zack) just makes him a tweener at best. His current act is fine for random indie match #423 but in a program with defined babyface/heel dynamic it's conclusively been proven not to work imo.
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Having not seen Marty Scurll before...what is his finisher?
 
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