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NPD August 2012 Sales Results [Up3: Sleeping Dogs]

duckroll

Member
That is probably true. KH3 would have to not only really impress, but S-E would need to do a HUGE marketing blitz to get it close to KH2.

You are correct though, the series is beyond the peak. I want to believe otherwise, but I wouldn't be surprised if the series actually is killed off after 3. :(

Another factor to keep in mind is that S-E doesn't own this IP. Disney does. Pretty much every single Disney producer and executive who was involved in the original Kingdom Hearts deal is no longer with the company. If there is ever an issue of renewing the agreement, I won't be surprised if Disney isn't interested.
 

Tookay

Member
KH brand is damaged by the constant spinoffs and console switching. You have to have owned a PS2, GBA, DS, PSP, and 3DS to understand the whole story.
 

Hero

Member
Square-Enix has only themselves to blame for KH DDD's performance. 6 years since KH2 and all they do is recklessly push spinoffs to every handheld in existence without even giving fans the knowledge that KH3 is coming. I don't blame any KH fans for being tired of their bullshit when you have to have every handheld to play their spinoffs.

3DS numbers are a bit disappointing but perhaps the XL will be able to push better numbers in September.

Glad to see BLops outselling MW3. That game was fucking horrible.
 

Derrick01

Banned
Handhelds games need to be more cheap and it should be focussed on DD as well.

They do focus on DD quite a bit already it's just both Nintendo and Sony are fucking stupid when it comes to it. Most of the prices on PSN for launch period games are still $30-$40 and they don't even reflect the recent retail price drops. With how bad these software sales are you'd think they would have the balls to say fuck retailers and come up with some highly competitive pricing and sales like Steam.
 

jvm

Gamasutra.
3DS ~177k I believe
Yes, that's within a couple thousand, in my opinion.

Not horribly far off from what I expected, unfortunately. :(

Edit: I want to add that I can't see that PR on Nintendo's press site, so I can't confirm it. Nintendo doesn't reliably email those PRs out, I'm afraid.
 

Mileena

Banned
The hardware situation ain't so hot, either. Especially if that includes 3DS XL numbers.
Thank goodness for Japan.

177K seems awful for a hardware revision, especially one as good as the XL.


I guess not even Nintendo is going to make it through iOS invasion.
 
MS and Sony are hurting their software partners by not dropping the price on 360, PS3, and Vita.

Edit: I'm actually glad the XL didn't take off right away, screw Nintendo's dual analog snubbing.
 

SykoTech

Member
Oh wow. So DDD managed to somehow do even worse than I expected. Since it had the whole month to sell, I thought for sure it would have done more than 200K. Pathetic.

Is Versus really still keeping KHIII from starting development? SE are idiots if that's still the case. The KH franchise needs to get back on track immediately.
 

Elios83

Member
Unfortunately we have to deal with the fact that the market for dedicated portable gaming devices is only going to shrink.
iOS/Android have already won that battle.
It's still possibile for them to be profitable niches for hardcore gamers and kids (if priced properly).
 
Are new SKU launches typically as frontloaded as regular HW launches? Because then I wouldn't expect things to get better next month - 3DS-wise.

Probably time to just bow to the Apple overlords.
 

Kagari

Crystal Bearer
For the short-term future of the series they really need to get out a HD collection and also port the handheld titles.

PS3-360-Wii-U

Nomura hinted at this earlier in the year. Hope to god we get an announcement at TGS.

lol, don't get your hopes up. They can't even get out FFX HD.
 
For the short-term future of the series they really need to get out a HD collection and also port the handheld titles.

PS3-360-Wii-U

Nomura hinted at this earlier in the year. Hope to god we get an announcement at TGS.

HD collection of all the KH games on ps3 and wii u followed by a dual platform KH3. Nothing less will suffice.
 

hamchan

Member
This is what happens when you go a whole generation without KH3. The brand is diluted now, regardless of the quality of the spin-off titles.
 

Pranay

Member
They do focus on DD quite a bit already it's just both Nintendo and Sony are fucking stupid when it comes to it. Most of the prices on PSN for launch period games are still $30-$40 and they don't even reflect the recent retail price drops. With how bad these software sales are you'd think they would have the balls to say fuck retailers and come up with some highly competitive pricing and sales like Steam.

Yup atleast for handheld prices need to be better.

Some new model is needed.

40$ for games is too much for a handheld
 

entremet

Member
The thing with KH is not even the handheld iteration, but the lack of consistency. On PS2, GBA, then DS, then PSP, and then 3DS. That's a lot of hardware to buy to play all the games.
 

Seda

Member
I bought KH3D but I haven't played it yet. And it's not like I've been spoiled either so I do kinda-sorta want to know what happens. But hearing iffy reviews of it, it can wait.
 
The thing with KH is not even the handheld iteration, but the lack of consistency. On PS2, GBA, then DS, then PSP, and then 3DS. That's a lot of hardware to buy to play all the games.
If you're like me... you essentially ignore the handheld iterations, and assume they're irrelevant to the eventual KH3...

XL sold ~78K in a week or just over 2x what 3DS probably sold the previous weeks. Still not good, just wanted to point out how the XL itself did.
Was this in the PR?
 
Did KHDDD get any kind of marketing push? I've not seen commercials for it anywhere, by comparison KH1 and KH2 had commercials every commercial break on any channel I watched when they came out.
 

Skiesofwonder

Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
It's still mind boggling to me that Square-Enix didn't at least release a Wii collection of KH1, KH 2, and BBS. Kingdom Hearts 3 would of made a ton of sense too, considering how well Epic Mickey sold.

Going full handheld makes sense in Japan, but nowhere else (especially this gen of handhelds).
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I'm just curious--why is ~177k for 3DS "terrible?" Is it because it's being compared to last year? Are people's expectations higher because of NSMB2? Are people still expecting DS-like numbers?

Because that's not happening any more.
 

antonz

Member
It's still mind boggling to me that Square-Enix didn't at least release a Wii collection of KH1, KH 2, and BBS. Kingdom Hearts 3 would of made a ton of sense too, considering how well Epic Mickey sold.

Going full handheld makes sense in Japan, but nowhere else (especially this gen of handhelds).

SE is just an incompetant company that milks franchises to death. Someone needs to buy SE and clean house of all the morons. Theres no reason they need to make 15 final fantasy spin offs each gen etc
 

Mileena

Banned
XL sold ~78K in a week or just over 2x what 3DS probably sold the previous weeks. Still not good, just wanted to point out how the XL itself did.

How is that compared to the DS revisions though? Comparing XL to OG 3DS is just comparing bad sales to bad sales.
 
Kingdom Hearts 3 is probably three years away at the least. The series is done.
Another factor to keep in mind is that S-E doesn't own this IP. Disney does. Pretty much every single Disney producer and executive who was involved in the original Kingdom Hearts deal is no longer with the company. If there is ever an issue of renewing the agreement, I won't be surprised if Disney isn't interested.
I'm perfectly okay with that. I'd rather not see Disney do anything with the franchise.
 

RurouniZel

Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Another factor to keep in mind is that S-E doesn't own this IP. Disney does. Pretty much every single Disney producer and executive who was involved in the original Kingdom Hearts deal is no longer with the company. If there is ever an issue of renewing the agreement, I won't be surprised if Disney isn't interested.

I thought it was co-owned? Either way yes, if Disney is dismayed with these sales enough they could just pull the plug on KH3 entirely. Or at best say "Okay, we'll let you do KH3, but after that, you're done,"

Kingdom Hearts 3 is probably three years away at the least. The series is done.

No Femme, I'm not ready to leave the denial stage yet!!
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
It's still mind boggling to me that Square-Enix didn't at least release a Wii collection of KH1, KH 2, and BBS. Kingdom Hearts 3 would of made a ton of sense too, considering how well Epic Mickey sold.

Going full handheld makes sense in Japan, but nowhere else (especially this gen of handhelds).

Totally agree. I think they'd sell extremely well.

Plus, everyone needs to play BBS.
 

Peff

Member
I thought it was co-owned? Either way yes, if Disney is dismayed with these sales enough they could just pull the plug on KH3 entirely. Or at best say "Okay, we'll let you do KH3, but after that, you're done,"

Disney owns everything other than Final Fantasy/TWEWY characters.
 

Spiegel

Member
I'm just curious--why is ~177k for 3DS "terrible?" Is it because it's being compared to last year? Are people's expectations higher because of NSMB2? Are people still expecting DS-like numbers?

Because that's not happening any more.

Looking at their financial reports, Nintendo is expecting DS-like numbers (18.5M this fiscal year)
 
Kingdom Hearts will never reach its past glory with the convoluted cannon it has going right now. The story in 3D is offensively bad and gives me no hope or excitement for the potential KH3

3D should have wrapped up the nonsense they have going right now and then KH3 could have come out with a Sora, Riku and Kari party in all new Disney, Pixar, Square and Edios worlds with a completely new story

lol, don't get your hopes up. They can't even get out FFX HD.

The extent to which SE has missed the HD collections bandwagon is astonishing. Sony is releasing HD collections of games for a SECOND time this month...
 

Takao

Banned
I'm just curious--why is ~177k for 3DS "terrible?" Is it because it's being compared to last year? Are people's expectations higher because of NSMB2? Are people still expecting DS-like numbers?

Because that's not happening any more.

Because it was a month with a new revision, a huge software release, and another large software release.
 

Kagari

Crystal Bearer
Kingdom Hearts will never reach its past glory with the convoluted cannon it has going right now. The story in 3D is offensively bad and gives me no hope of excitement for the potential KH3

3D should have wrapped up the nonsense they have going right now and then KH3 could have come out with a Sora, Riku and Kar partyi in all new Disney, Pixar, Square and Edios worlds with a completely new story



The extent to which SE has missed the HD collections bandwagon is astonishing. Sony is releasing HD collections of games for a SECOND time this month...

The best part is SCE provides the tools for free, so it's not like they framework to do it isn't there for SE.
 
It's still mind boggling to me that Square-Enix didn't at least release a Wii collection of KH1, KH 2, and BBS. Kingdom Hearts 3 would of made a ton of sense too, considering how well Epic Mickey sold.

Going full handheld makes sense in Japan, but nowhere else (especially this gen of handhelds).

This, SE should have gotten a KH title on the Wii for sure this gen, would have sold bucket loads during the Wii's prime time. Thanks again FFvsXIII for taking eternity and then some to release *sigh*

I saw commercials for it on Cartoon Network/Adult Swim.

Gotcha thanks for the info
 
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