That's not really guaranteed...
While I kinda agree with you, Ubisoft made a lot of money off the Wii and they are planning on taking advantage of the NFC to pull in kids(and collectors) so its not that crazy of a decision.
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NPD December 2012 Sales Results [Up2: Xbox 360, All Nintendo Hardware, NSMB Wii U]
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That's not really guaranteed...
While I kinda agree with you, Ubisoft made a lot of money off the Wii and they are planning on taking advantage of the NFC to pull in kids(and collectors) so its not that crazy of a decision.
mugurumakensei
Member
Ah, like the PS3 slayed all in its path. It's a bit to early to say there are any guarantees.
Father_Brain
Banned
So, a new system sells a bit over half what PSP sold over five and a half years into its lifespan, when the software ecosystem had collapsed (KH:BBS was the sole new release to
break 300K that year) and it was near-universally considered dead. I'd be surprised if it's still in production by the end of the year.
3DS numbers, meanwhile, look great... as long as you don't pay attention to the YoY comparison. Definitely cause for concern there.
StreetsAhead
Member
What if the console looked like this?
$US400 w/subscription
Basic $450
Pro $500
Kinect 2 bundled in every box - mandatory inclusion in every game
Most game cross gen, Forza the only 1st party exclusive
$70 games/increase in Live Subscription
No B/C
Seriously, this 'Xbox 720/PS4 are guaratneed to do amazingly' stuff is sheer bullshit.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
I would like to make a monetary bet on this.
I think the next Call of Duty will launch across all consoles and few will really care enough to put their money on the 720 version. That's really the only guaranteed system seller we have at this point.
I'm betting that the 360 will still outsell the Wii U, the PS3 will sell half of what it did this Dec, and the 720 will be below the Wii U.
Bending_Unit_22
Member
It was a paraphrase of what someone else said, that 5 years ago it would be insane to have thought it would happen. I probably should have added the 5 years as well, but the response is clear about the time frame. Thanks for clarifying though.
TheNatural
My Member!
I would think Microsoft is smart enough to realize they can't launch at $599, but you never know. Some, or all companies, seem to make really dumb launch pricing mistakes that screw them up the entire generation.
Their Surface prices are a worrying trend. But I and others thought Kinect was priced too high and that did fantastically well.
I feel though of all their entertainment products, they're the most passionate about gaming. (don't laugh)
outunderthestars
Banned
I am kind of tired of this myth. Third parties released games on the Wii, but they failed to sell so they stopped doing so. If Wii owners would have actually bought non-shovelware third party software there would been more consistent third party support.
Nintendo didn't help the matter by allowing a massive amount of pure crap to flood the market thus making consumers wary of buying third party software.
creamsugar
Member
3DS SW 3rd party LTD
500k
bird (Yes it's no.1)
400k
ssf4
logo sw3
kh3d
sonic
300k
mario sonic
skylanders
logo potc
200k
re:r
asphalt
logo batman2
rayman
cars2
150k
500k
bird (Yes it's no.1)
400k
ssf4
logo sw3
kh3d
sonic
300k
mario sonic
skylanders
logo potc
200k
re:r
asphalt
logo batman2
rayman
cars2
150k
BoboBrazil
Member
360 and PS3 will both easily sell out stock available at launch. Gamers are starved for new consoles(not an underpowered Nintendo one). When people see these come out this year with the newest games in their favorite series with amazing graphics, it will be hard to even find one on a shelf before mid January at the earliest.
they might do something like, $299.99 + $xx.99 each month after that, and throw in xbox live as part of it.
Baconsammy
Banned
What's NFC? (other than a horrible football conference...don't ban me, Seattle mods).
Highest selling 3rd party 3DS game has lower than a 10% attach rate
mugurumakensei
Member
Near field communication.
Objects that are near each other can exchange data.
it would be helpful if both sides could provide examples.
yeah the 3ds is no ds, gba, or game boy. software prices are way too goddamn high. and to think, this is december when things had a chance to really move.
instead everyone bought the same five nintendo games.
kingdom hearts is doing rather decent at least. it's one of the most recent releases, and it's already outdone a lot of the older ones.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Angry Birds outselling KH3Ds and RE:R, lol.
3DS had a pretty disappointing year. I think Pokemon and Animal Crossing will help hardware sales a lot, but I'm not sure it's going to get much software with a western-focus from third-parties moving forward.
3DS had a pretty disappointing year. I think Pokemon and Animal Crossing will help hardware sales a lot, but I'm not sure it's going to get much software with a western-focus from third-parties moving forward.
MisterNoisy
Member
If they launch at or under $400, with back compat (not impossible given the AMD gfx in both and strict rules for development on 360), I don't see how they don't sell every one they can make at launch, at least in the US.
Hell, if I were them, I'd even look into financing a trade in program with a major retailer or two and pass the refurbs on for a pittance with an XBL sub as media/casual boxes.
You don't think maaaybe Nintendo had a hand in that? I just cant see Ubisoft thinking it wise to choose this game of all games, to be exclusive to a new console like this. A console that houses an evergreen seller like Mario.
NFC allows devices to send small bits of data to each other by close proximity. Used on Android phones for stuff like Google wallet (to pay for gas or fast food by swiping your phone over the credit card thingy).
Baconsammy
Banned
Holy shit. You win, Apple. You win.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Teams of three to six porting a 360 title to the Wii isn't what I would call serious. The first Wii Splinter Cell wouldn't have looked good as a launch PS2 title. And it sure didn't function.
Publishers released a lot of titles for the Wii. Very few would be considered competent, even fewer good.
It'll basically allow them to make Skylander figures for Rayman that interact with the game by scanning the figure with you gamepad.
Father_Brain
Banned
I can't think of a single unsuccessful third-party core title on Wii that would have sold significantly better on PS3/360, honestly.
Baconsammy
Banned
Ohh, that's a cool feature.
KillerTravis
Banned
Time for third parties to go Japan only. I'm sure even if they localized good games from Japan they would sell like shit here.
TheNatural
My Member!
The Kinect bundle has done well, I don't think the stand alone, or even it's games, have done anything at all. People are willing to buy value added bundles like Kinect or Wii Sports types of things as a SKU if they're not expensive.
The actual good games did well, Kinect Sports Franchise is over 6mill? And Dance Central 1 is at 2.5m so the entire franchise must be like 4m+
There were some breakdowns early on in its life, can't remember how standalone did, but it still shifted.
Father_Brain
Banned
That is... genuinely a bit shocking, given the enormous price disparity and that Angry Birds' lead platforms are competing with 3DS much more directly than they are with consoles. How well did the PS3/360 versions sell?
Every other third-party game being below 400K is... uh... yeah.
MrCunningham
Member
E3 2013 is going to be pretty crazy. We know that MS is already teasing their next gen XBox at the show and I'm sure Sony will at least give us a preview of their next gen console as well.
Everything seems to be down over last year... but yeah for a handheld that has only been out on the market for two years. It does not bode too well.
outunderthestars
Banned
Mad World
Dead Space Extraction
Boom Blocks
Zac & Wiki
No more Heros
De Blob
Goldeneye
Muamasa
A Boy and his Blob
Little King Story
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
All metacritic rated 80 or above, and all sold below expectations.
AlphaStriker
Member
Wow 3DS third party sales are much dire than I thought.
MisterNoisy
Member
It is, but only because Capcom is doing it's level best to make sure they don't have to make any more next generation.
outunderthestars
Banned
It's a bad fit for the platform. People didn't want a survival horror game a portable system.
It's a Nintendo system. Of course third party games are doing poorly.
pieatorium
Member
I guess Layton bombed, or was that not in the list since nintendo published in NA?
Agent Icebeezy
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Gamecube was an amazing console, jury is still out on Wii U. Hell, I'm hoping for a GC U, I'd get my F-Zero then.
What? NMH, Goldeneye, Da Blob, and Boom Blox all sold relatively close to expectations and are generally considered successes. 3 of those games got sequels (all 3 of which were far more disappointing saleswise)
Pretty sure Boom Blox and De Blob are million sellers and actually did well enough to greenlight sequels.
No More Heroes also did well.
Baconsammy
Banned
I believe it both bombed and was published by Nintendo. It won't be on that list with third parties.