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[AndrewDean84xX]

Anyone else noticing that people aren't seeming to buy new hardware after they launch anymore? Started with 3DS, then Vita and now Wii U. What are the odds this happens with the next xbox and PS4?

I wonder what this thread will be like when the Playstaion 4 and Xbox 3 also inevitably does sub-500k first month?

Exactly.

 

[schuelma]

Sarcasm?

Again, he engineered Nintendo's most successful generation (DS/Wii) and is now presiding over a merely adequate one.

I always laughed at those posts but 3DS and Wii U are disastrous launches and they aren't going to get close to making their projections.

 

[guek]

How bad is 460,000? What would an "okay" number have been?

460k is pretty bad but only about 100k more would have turned things from "bad" to "ok-mediocre"

Looking at historical precedent, 460k is bad for numerous reasons. Lack of supply constraint, lower than PS3's first december by a smidge, leading to more insight into the disappointing software sales as well. Of course, there are certainly people overreacting to this number in typical gaf fashion, but it's a pretty disappointing first full month no matter how you shake it.

I am so excited to see december 2013 numbers now though. Not as a fan for any specific platform but just as an enthusiast who enjoys watching sales trends. It's going to be fascinating to see how much the market really has changed since 2006/2007.

 

[Exterminieren]

Is Iwata's days numbered?

He might not be looking in the job directory yet, but he needs to be offering decisive moves and vision for the future right about now.

Revealing a hefty games slate with some fast tracked releases would be helpful.

 

[user_nat]

Wouldn't be surprised if at least one of the PS4/Xbox8 sell less than the Wii U at launch. People's expectations are too high. New consoles won't fix everything.

 

[tim.mbp]

I do suspect the next gen consoles might have a rough launch as well (of course, the supply might be so low that it isn't an issue)

I do too.

 

[chertipros]

3DS: 1.25M

Yes legend, slay with that shitty holiday line-up.

Yeah I don't get it. The 3DS holiday lineup for 2012 was garbage. How did it sell so much?

 

[UberTag]

I'll take back my comment about Wii outselling the Wii U. Holy shit. PS2 outsold the PS3 more than 3 to 1.

The PS2 had great games released during Holiday 2006 along with a $129 pricepoint.
Like Final Fantasy XII. And the peak of the Guitar Hero phenomenon with GH2.

Whereas the Wii had... Just Dance 4.

 

[thehypocrite]

Generally you don't wait until your product is dead to release a new one unless you hate yourself.

This is a rule that all platforms holders need to follow.

Is there a Sony PR/Numbers?

 

[dallow_bg]

And the PS3 was $ 500/600 compared to $300/350 Wii U.

 

[Nirolak]

Yeah I don't get it. The 3DS holiday lineup for 2012 was garbage. How did it sell so much?

Well it is down 21.8%, which is something you really don't want to see in your second year.

But yeah, Nintendo handhelds still have sway, especially in the holiday season.

 

[Coolwhip]

Why would a majority of them early adopt when they'll still be getting CoD and Madden on the PS3/360 for at least another two years?

Good question. Maybe when their friends upgrade they cant stay behind? Time will tell I guess.

 

[thuway]

Wouldn't be surprised if at least one of the PS4/Xbox8 sell less than the Wii U at launch. People's expectations are too high. New consoles won't fix everything.

Out of your mind. The core is starving for new hardware. The Wii U is perceived as nothing more than a regurgitation of this gen.

 

[Baconsammy]

I'd hate to be the guys at Nintendo who have to come up with a list of 20 Wii games people would want for the Wii U Ambassador program.

I can name 10-20 N64 titles if it helps.

 

[Wiz]

Yeah I don't get it. The 3DS holiday lineup for 2012 was garbage. How did it sell so much?

Bundles and Mario.

All you need to sell systems.

 

[Nirolak]

This is a rule that all platforms holders need to follow.

Is there a Sony PR/Numbers?

Usually Sony never gives numbers.

 

[schuelma]

Yeah I don't get it. The 3DS holiday lineup for 2012 was garbage. How did it sell so much?

The kiddies finally transitioning from the DS? How do DS numbers compare to last year?

 

[Frillen]

3DS sales are nice, although absolutely zero software on that thing seems to move outside of the Mario games in the west.

We only have the top 10. You know, games also sell outside of the top 10.

 

[Zeouterlimits]

3DS: 1.25M

Yes legend, slay with that shitty holiday line-up. WHO ELSE

Crazy how well it did considering.

 

[Drago]

Yeah I don't get it. The 3DS holiday lineup for 2012 was garbage. How did it sell so much?

It was $160 dollars for an XL and Mario Kart in quite a few places, that must have been a great help

 

[TheNatural]

Now your erection is justified TheNatural.

You're welcome. I'm not actually happy. Well sorta, just because getting a laugh out of anything with the current direction of the videogame business is one of my favorite past times.

I like Nintendo, I grew up on Nintendo, the only system I even have is the 3DS. I just want to see them drop the fucking gimmicks and get back to old school kick ass Nintendo, just like Amir0x said.

I don't want to see how I can draw fucking platforms in Mario games, or play house with a bunch of big headed created stick figures, or see how many goofy pin the tail on the donkey mini game collections they can pack in one game. MAKE GAMES.

YAMAUICHI RISE FROM YOUR GRAAAVE

 

[guek]

I wonder what this thread will be like when the Playstaion 4 and Xbox 3 also inevitably does sub-500k first month?

They'll sell 350k apiece but be sold out so instant success!!

Spoiler

no I don't really expect them to be that low (though I don't predict anything more than roughly 600K)

 

[farnham]

Depends, the ps360 have a lot more people that buy cod and madden every year, those will all early adopt Im sure. Id expect a harsh drop off after that though.

Depends on price, availability and if cod and madden will be next gen exclusive

 

[KillerTravis]

Now that I think about it, how is 1.4 more than double the 1.2 that 3DS did?

 

[Bisnic]

Are the Wii U numbers this bad because there isn't enough supply or is it because it's too expensive/not enough interesting games?

 

[Miles X]

Yeah we need Vita and PS3 leaks.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

I can name 10-20 N64 titles if it helps.

There were 10-20 N64 titles?!

 

[popeutlal]

Wii U, oh my. Don't think it'll get any better with a price drop either.

 

[Kusagari]

Yeah I don't get it. The 3DS holiday lineup for 2012 was garbage. How did it sell so much?

There were a lot of bundles.

 

[liger05]

Yeah I don't get it. The 3DS holiday lineup for 2012 was garbage. How did it sell so much?

Mario my friend, Mario.

In the UK the mario trilogy has held up really well over the holidays. The 3DS holiday lineup sucked but those mario titles do the job in holiday season.

 

[Durante]

Anyone else noticing that people aren't seeming to buy new hardware after they launch anymore? Started with 3DS, then Vita and now Wii U. What are the odds this happens with the next xbox and PS4?.

I put the odds of this happening to Durango in the US at 3%. They will sell every single one they can build.

 

[Frillen]

Now that I think about it, how is 1.4 more than double the 1.2 that 3DS did?

Consoles.

 

[Pachterballs]

Yeah we need Vita and PS3 leaks.

you can about extrapolate ps3 nos from the OP. its about 700+

 

[PhantomR]

I don't get "joy", but I am also not sad it happened. Wii U has a tremendous amount of problems, and I've felt like the DS and the Wii were awful directions for Nintendo and the company really changed what I loved about them during this time.

I feel sort of like if Nintendo keeps underperforming, that maybe they'll start getting on their toes again and developing games like they did in the Gamecube gen or the SNES gen, with refinements of ideas that made the entire gaming environment better but with significantly fewer gimmicks and a focus more on the very people that brought them where they are instead of casuals.

In the end, I sort of feel like a readjustment to reality for Nintendo will help them be great again, and this does make me happy.

I had a long response typed out dissecting your post sentence by sentence explaining why I think what you had to say was ridiculous.

But then I decided that it's really not worth it. All that matters, is that 3DS is now being sold at a profit, and Wii U is being sold at a profit with software attach rates. I predict that they will make a return to profitability this fiscal year and continue on their path...despite the consistent and gleeful doom mongering.

 

[Kagari]

Are the Wii U numbers this bad because there isn't enough supply or is it because it's too expensive/not enough interesting games?

There's plenty of supply.

 

[Nirolak]

The kiddies finally transitioning from the DS? How do DS numbers compare to last year?

Xbox 360: 1.4M (-17.6%) ["More than double the amount of the second place console in the U.S. in the month of December."]
3DS: 1.25M (-21.8%)
Wii: 475K (-55.2%)
DS: 470K (-25.4%)
Wii U: 460K [The Wii launch was 604K]

They're all down, but I still think the 3DS is the best holiday kids gift option, especially if you're not the type of person who buys your kids iPads.

 

[AndrewDean84xX]

Out of your mind. The core is starving for new hardware. The Wii U is perceived as nothing more than a regurgitation of this gen.

I think you(understandably) overestimate the amount of "core" gamers.

 

[omonimo]

Yeah we need Vita and PS3 leaks.

We know yet ps3 is below 700k & psvita probably will sucks again. Who cares at this point.

 

[Gravijah]

Now that I think about it, how is 1.4 more than double the 1.2 that 3DS did?

MS PR generally compares to the other home consoles.

 

[Sandfox]

Good question. Maybe when their friends upgrade they cant stay behind? Time will tell I guess.

You could also swing that the other way and ask why upgrade early when all of your friends are on the 360?

 

[Poimandres]

Are the Wii U numbers this bad because there isn't enough supply or is it because it's too expensive/not enough interesting games?

There is plenty of supply. I think poor marketing is the culprit, really.

 

[Queen of Hunting]

It's probably far too late, but I wonder if Sony and Microsoft adjusted their plans at all in light of the Wii U's launch. I don't think the Wii U is too expensive and the others will almost certainly cost more.

has anyone thought that people are bored of nintendo consoles/games ? we wont really know till the next xbox and playstation but im starting to believe thats the case

 

[Baconsammy]

There were 10-20 N64 titles?!

I think, that's why I gave a lot of leeway.

 

[Snowden's Secret]

If Wii was at 475K and that's down 55% YOY, then that means it was at 864K last year? So Nintendo moved 935K home consoles this year versus 864K last year, or about 8% more units.

Something something Wii family something

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

AC3 PC retail > Wii U retail? Wow.

I ordered the special PC edition from UBIsoft, so I'm +1 that doesn't even count. Not good at all for Nintendo.

 

[Orca]

I can name 10-20 N64 titles if it helps.

No fair including the wrestling titles.

 

[AlphaStriker]

Glad to see the 3DS doing well, I'm crossing my fingers that it'll mean more support from western developers.

 

[chertipros]

Are the Wii U numbers this bad because there isn't enough supply or is it because it's too expensive/not enough interesting games?

They're bad because no one cares about the thing and there are no games coming for it.

 

[RamzaIsCool]

WiiU: ouch!!!
Xbox360: solid if not spectacular!
PS3: kinda weak, but no pricedrop will do that. I expect a stromger 2013.
3DS: pretty good, tho will sales explode as it did with the DS? We will see.
Vita: I expect lol.

 

[timetokill]

Are the Wii U numbers this bad because there isn't enough supply or is it because it's too expensive/not enough interesting games?

1. Not enough interesting games
2. Uncertainty towards the platform's future
3. Economy is complete shit right now and people are spending less, looking for cheaper alternatives, leading to
4. Price is a tad high
5. Marketing is awful to non-existent. Awareness of it compared to the original Wii is dramatically worse.