You'd have to clarify 'significant number' because I don't see Pikmin (a sequel to Gamecube games) as something that incites a more than marginal amount of consumers outside of early adopters to buy the hardware.
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NPD January 2013 Sales Results [Up7: Wii U 57K (CNET), Vita ~35K, PS3 201K]
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You'd have to clarify 'significant number' because I don't see Pikmin (a sequel to Gamecube games) as something that incites a more than marginal amount of consumers outside of early adopters to buy the hardware.
Schnozberry
Member
The Wii was also $249. That helped a lot. 2013 is a much different technological landscape with much stiffer competition for your entertainment dollar. Hell, the 360 and PS3 didn't really even pick up a lot of steam until after being on the market for quite some time, and only really got going after their first price drops.
I don't see how you get Durango and Orbis taking off like rockets either if they come out at premium price points. Apple will have new products out too next Christmas. If Nintendo can manage to get the cost down far enough and offer some nice value bundles, they might have a chance at turning it around. A lot of things would have to fall into place though. It will likely involve some goal post moving on their part as well. This console, or any console for that matter, will struggle to reach the success of the previous generation. Too much has changed, both technologically and economically.
So you proved you have a bad taste in gaming . for that I applaud You.
Schnozberry
Member
I think what the system needs is some positive momentum, and it's unlikely to find much until E3 when Nintendo gets it's release schedule together.
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
Rayman
:sadyes:
im still really upset at ubisoft.
Would've filled a nice gap in the Q1 releases for the wii U....
UberTag
Member
You'll note that I agreed with you.
I also backed that up in the hardware sales prediction thread this month.
Pachter's always reliable if you know how to read between the lines.
We're at 50+ pages. Only 10 more until 60+. Go GAF Go!
Tallshortman
Member
Getting some ballsy juniors these days.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
By the time Durango/Orbis launch, they'll have their own issues(price, software, availability, convincing people to upgrade) and Nintendo will have actual games out by by then.
There won't be any Nintendo Wii like success next generation. Hell, if they get to Xbox 360 level sales, I'd be impressed.
There won't be any Nintendo Wii like success next generation. Hell, if they get to Xbox 360 level sales, I'd be impressed.
Schnozberry
Member
I can't blame Ubi. Nintendo is in a bad spot right now. Ubi probably figured they release it now with a chance at selling 50k copies, or spend a few bucks and get a chance at selling a few hundred thousand in September across multiple platforms. Sucks for Wii U owners, but let's disabuse ourselves of any notion that this industry runs on anything but money.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
You're assuming a lot, some consoles launch without major issues. At least those two are going to have a target demographic to aim for!
WiiU is unlikely to get close to 360 sales in the US (and probably WW)
Sanic
Member
Rayman
Heh, yeah, even Capcom gave Nintendo that timed exclusivity, to CC's detriment.
But hey, you've probably still got some plays left on that Rayman demo, right? Enjoy!
that would be the wii. it may not have had all the games you wanted, but third parties gave it a lot of support. it also had a bunch of exclusive titles from third-parties, something the gamecube never had.
i don't think people remember how bad the gamecube was. games were made on two discs. games were delayed or given stealth releases. sequels to successful games skipped the system. it was pretty terrible.
Fucking ether.
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
The established base of Wii U owners were looking forward to this game.
I think it would've been profitable.
Especially, if they revoked their decision and released it in March. The game has gotten so much free marketing because of this gaming movement.
I'm pretty sure the sales would be much better.
Things are looking rather grim, but it'll turn around. It's a new console, so no post-Christmas deals, the economy is in hell and with no new games out at all, did anyone really expect it to do brilliantly?
It'll turn around
There is a large gulf between 'doing brilliantly' and what we have here. I agree it's early to dismiss the system's long term success entirely but based on their previous forecasts and the data we have to work with, in addition to the looming competition there is not many other conclusions to draw.
Baconsammy
Banned
When the 360 is done, it will end above the Wii in the US(most likely this year). So not sure what chance Wii U has of touching the 360 numbers in the US.
One group Ubisoft needs no advice from are game forum economists. Their decision to delay Rayman and move it to other consoles is looking incredibly prescient right now.
test_account
XP-39C²
Why would Sony use money on Vita developement if they are going to stop production and support in December 2013? Killzone is coming in September for example, why bother with it if they're canceling the whole system a few months later?
until then, the wii u will be selling less than 50k a month, at best. eight months is a loooooooong time to be irrelevant. just ask sony.
Pachterballs
Banned
300k for GOW:A
lol
its going to do gangbusters as will THELASTOFUS
lol
its going to do gangbusters as will THELASTOFUS
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
ehhhh. not as we approach the holiday season. and nintendo's fall line-up looks significantly better.
I think the Wii U will push decent numbers by the end of the year.
Baconsammy
Banned
Given how bad the exclusives were last year, I tend to agree with this. Sony fans are incredibly thirsty right now. I dont think GoW will do tremendous numbers, but I expect Last of Us will rival at least Uncharted 3.
Aaron Strife
Banned
not like a GTA6, something like vice city stories. what did you think i meant.
metalslimer
Member
The biggest problems with this is the mounds of 3rd party games that will be cancelled along the way. Once you lose your footing with 3rd parties (it's seems like the Wii U barely had this to begin with) it is extremely hard to gain it back because the perpetual cycle continues.
They're clearly not. Father_Brain is pretty convinced it's being discontinued though. Puzzling since we haven't even had an official price drop yet and the fact that Sony has never cancelled a product, would lose all investments in handheld gaming research and future potential through lack of reliability and have already announced intentions to support a full vita life cycle.
I prefer my action games with more substance over style. Bayonetta, DMC3, the like. Also I found Kratos so unlikeable that I want him to fail his quest.
Schnozberry
Member
Maybe? I think Ubi was ice cold to leave Wii U owners hanging, and I'm one of them, but I think they care about money more than hurting people's feelings. They want to sell as many full price copies as possible, and while September is probably just as much of a risk, the Wii U will likely have sold a few million more by then. At least you'd hope.
The ending credits of The Last of Us may be the last time my PS3 will be powered on.
I can consider this game the swan song and retire the console in the summer.
Bring on the next gen!
Zombie James
Banned
Does anyone know how many Wii U's Nintendo's manufacturing? The reason I'm asking is that looking at these numbers I'm reminded of back in the Gamecube days when Nintendo was forced to stop making them for a few months because they had so many unsold units (production resumed three months later). Might the same situation happen here?
Vire
Member
Ouch...
Glorified G
Member
The whole point of being an armchair analyst is to make absolute predictions while knowing very little information.
When you start asking questions it kinda goes against that.
metalslimer
Member
It's not being discontinued, it will just be thrown off the shelves when Durango and Orbis launch this fall which is basically the same thing. Killzone and Tearaway, and maybe the Uncharted GA sequel are probably the last big games to get greenlit for Vita as I don't see why Sony would spend precious reources that could go to the PS4 on a sinkhole.
Could be worse and a Dreamcast scenario could take place??
toddhunter
Member
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
they can't change the name but they can still refresh the case design.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
It's ancient history, now that the PS3's sitting at 70m worldwide.
the question is, will gamers and nongamers buy a new console for mario, smash bros, mario kart, and zelda? they didn't the last time nintendo was struggling with a console.
the only thing they might be able to do is a real radical change with what would essentially be a relaunch. not only drop the price and release games people want (more along the lines of a wii fit u, except more original), but price the games aggressively too. sony did this in the playstation and playstation 2 days. nintendo might be worried about third-party support, but it's not like they have much left to lose anymore.
the fact the vita didn't immediately pop into your head kinda proves my point.
Pachterballs
Banned
The Gamecube got third party games such as Burnout, Splinter Cell, Prince of Persia and Hitman that the Wii couldn't even dream of getting the same versions of for its gen.
And then it had Viewitful Joe, Every RE game up to RE4 and 0, Super Monkey Ball, Ikaruga, Baten Kaitos, Tales of Symphonia, Lost Kingdoms, Skies of Arcadia, Soulcalibur 2 with Link, Timesplitters and more.
I'll take Gamecube's third party support over the Wii's any day.
Not really, Sony will obviously carry on supporting it through their own games and encouraging third parties as always. If things don't pick up after a price drop etc then I'd understand third-party support will slow down which it has done already but it's not time to confirm life expectancy yet.
Davey Cakes
Member
You, sir, are out of line.
What's with people hating on Nintendo Land? It may not have the popularity of Wii Sports but it's still top quality. A unique spin on multiplayer Nintendo games, and more brilliant than what E3 let on. A true surprise.
Going on my social experiences with it, the game should have been a knock out of the park.
But, hell, Wii Sports garnered a lot of hate too, even though it was a lot of fun and basically defined a generation. *scratches head*
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
this won't happen.
sega, unlike nintendo, didn't have a very successful portable console.
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The Dreamcast failed because of years of bad decisions coming from sega's management.