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[shintoki]

Yup - looks like i was right a few years ago when i would get BLASTED in here for saying the Nintendo Wii would fizzle in a year or two after mom, pop, grandma, grandpa, uncle Leroy and little johnny jumped into the wii fad during its hayday. I would get called a stupid fucker in here for even stating that back then and would get attacked with violent words from the so called Mr. know-it-all's around here that think they know it all and eveyrone else is wrong with their opinion...god thats so freaking annoying to deal with in here some times..and there a few others that felt the same as i did about the big debates that would go on about this back then so i had some guys behind me but for the most part the arrogant SOB's in here would slit your throat for saying such things..hell i even had a mod ban me for saying the wii was just a fad...im sure you neogaf lifers know who this mod was..he was a nintendo fanboy to the fullest and would use his mod powers to ban someone if they said any thing that ruffled up his feathers :lol


This is EXACTLY what i predicted and this is EXACTLY whats happening right now. Man i wish i wasnt so lazy to go sift through those years old threads we debating to shove them in the assholes that got all personal and resorted to the nasty name calling towards anyone that would even mention what i mentioned..i even ues to get pm threats from some of the nintendo fanboys and i wasnt even bashing the damn thing..i just felt it was a fad that would fizzle out. And before fanboys get pissed at what im saying..i have not said at all that the wii is dead..all im saying is that its like a can of soda that has lost is fizzle...simple is that and no one wants to drink that kind of soda ....you dig?

It all comes down to Nintendo skimping out on the hardware and not going HD which pissed me off royally. To this day i bugs me because although what i've said may come off as me being a fanboy of the 360...im truly a gamer that loves all systems, owns all systems and enjoys pc gaming just as much as console gaming. ..although i no longer have my wii..i gave it to my nephew a year or so ago.

By the way..im VERY happy to see the good ps3 numbers as well...i must admit that i been playing more and more ps3 exclusive games lately and with GT5 around the corner...its gonna be one heck of a winter season for me as im loving some of these ps3 exlusives coming out. I can clearly see ps3 developers are utilizing the cell and rsx in tandom with some impressive results indeed. I cant even imagine what Polyphony Digital has done with taking advantage of the ps3's hardware...

All I want for Christmas is my PSP...3

 

[Volcynika]

lol

This is what I come to NPD threads to see.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

A console peaking in its third year and starting to slow down in its fifth year. That's a fad, eh?

Well, folks, you heard it here first - Mr. Potato Head the Smartest Man on NeoGAF has successfully identified every piece of video game hardware in history outside of the Game Boy as a fad.

Or wait, no he didn't. He called one or two years. It's been five. I know time flies when you're having fun and all, but even a blind, drunk, deranged transient generally knows the difference between two years and five.

 

[Dai101]

Yup - looks like i was right a few years ago when i would get BLASTED in here for saying the Nintendo Wii would fizzle in a year or two after mom, pop, grandma, grandpa, uncle Leroy and little johnny jumped into the wii fad during its hayday. I would get called a stupid fucker in here for even stating that back then and would get attacked with violent words from the so called Mr. know-it-all's around here that think they know it all and eveyrone else is wrong with their opinion...god thats so freaking annoying to deal with in here some times..and there a few others that felt the same as i did about the big debates that would go on about this back then so i had some guys behind me but for the most part the arrogant SOB's in here would slit your throat for saying such things..hell i even had a mod ban me for saying the wii was just a fad...im sure you neogaf lifers know who this mod was..he was a nintendo fanboy to the fullest and would use his mod powers to ban someone if they said any thing that ruffled up his feathers :lol


This is EXACTLY what i predicted and this is EXACTLY whats happening right now. Man i wish i wasnt so lazy to go sift through those years old threads we debating to shove them in the assholes that got all personal and resorted to the nasty name calling towards anyone that would even mention what i mentioned..i even ues to get pm threats from some of the nintendo fanboys and i wasnt even bashing the damn thing..i just felt it was a fad that would fizzle out. And before fanboys get pissed at what im saying..i have not said at all that the wii is dead..all im saying is that its like a can of soda that has lost is fizzle...simple is that and no one wants to drink that kind of soda ....you dig?

It all comes down to Nintendo skimping out on the hardware and not going HD which pissed me off royally. To this day i bugs me because although what i've said may come off as me being a fanboy of the 360...im truly a gamer that loves all systems, owns all systems and enjoys pc gaming just as much as console gaming. ..although i no longer have my wii..i gave it to my nephew a year or so ago.

By the way..im VERY happy to see the good ps3 numbers as well...i must admit that i been playing more and more ps3 exclusive games lately and with GT5 around the corner...its gonna be one heck of a winter season for me as im loving some of these ps3 exlusives coming out. I can clearly see ps3 developers are utilizing the cell and rsx in tandom with some impressive results indeed. I cant even imagine what Polyphony Digital has done with taking advantage of the ps3's hardware...

 

[Boney]

Or wait, no he didn't. He called one or two years. It's been five. I know time flies when you're having fun and all, but even a blind, drunk, deranged transient generally knows the difference between two years and five.

I'm gonna have to call you out on that one good sir. That's rubish.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

A console peaking in its third year and starting to slow down in its fifth year. That's a fad, eh?

Well, folks, you heard it here first - Mr. Potato Head the Smartest Man on NeoGAF has successfully identified every piece of video game hardware in history outside of the Game Boy as a fad.

Or wait, no he didn't. He called one or two years. It's been five. I know time flies when you're having fun and all, but even a blind, drunk, deranged transient generally knows the difference between two years and five.

It's hard to understand the calender between bottles of JD.

 

[EDarkness]

A console peaking in its third year and starting to slow down in its fifth year. That's a fad, eh?

Well, folks, you heard it here first - Mr. Potato Head the Smartest Man on NeoGAF has successfully identified every piece of video game hardware in history outside of the Game Boy as a fad.

Or wait, no he didn't. He called one or two years. It's been five. I know time flies when you're having fun and all, but even a blind, drunk, deranged transient generally knows the difference between two years and five.

Even funnier that this seems to be like the normal console cycle. I don't see anything out of the ordinary outside of the 3rd party situation.

 

[Mastperf]

A console peaking in its third year and starting to slow down in its fifth year. That's a fad, eh?

Well, folks, you heard it here first - Mr. Potato Head the Smartest Man on NeoGAF has successfully identified every piece of video game hardware in history outside of the Game Boy as a fad.

Or wait, no he didn't. He called one or two years. It's been five. I know time flies when you're having fun and all, but even a blind, drunk, deranged transient generally knows the difference between two years and five.

It hasn't even been 4 yet has it?

 

[Firewire]

gran turismo as already been released and packaged with ps3's:

it's effect on sales has will be lessened purely because of how sony has decided to extend development of the game and push out 3 different variations without providing a final retail product, but have done a very poor job of informing people that there are major differences between what's been provided and what's to come.

Most of the average consumer base beleives that GT has already been released, so gt5 will receive sales akin to that of a sequel. Something like forza 2 vs forza 3.

IMO sony lost it's chance to draw in the large gt fanbase by delaying the GT game for so long. Much like GT-PSP failed to draw in users to buy a psp.

I don't know what you are babbling about, but you really don't have a clue.

There have been Prologues before other GT's. Lot's of people who frequent GTP haven't even purchased GT5P, and that's close to 5 million sold.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

It hasn't even been 4 yet has it?

November 2006

 

[Mastperf]

November 2006

Yeah, that was what I was thinking.

 

[Boney]

He means fifth holiday I guess...

 

[Absoludacrous]

Yup - looks like i was right a few years ago when i would get BLASTED in here for saying the Nintendo Wii would fizzle in a year or two

:lol

You can't even make a post without being wrong in the first sentence

 

[OldJadedGamer]

It was supposed to be, but they only launched it with local multiplayer with the intent to patch in online four weeks later.

It seems to have really hurt their sales.

My best friend and I are -2 sales right now only because of this. They thought the Summer of Arcade promotion would help them but they didn't understand that consumers didn't want an incomplete game even if it was early.

I don't know what you are babbling about, but you really don't have a clue.

There have been Prologues before other GT's. Lot's of people who frequent GTP haven't even purchased GT5P, and that's close to 5 million sold.

No there hasn't. Not in the US where NPD sales count and remember that you're in an NPD thread. GT5P is the first ever Prologue NPD has ever seen.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Yeah, that was what I was thinking.

I mean, 200k isn't dead by any means. It's certainly starting to fizzle and will probably be well in to its fourth year or even fifth before we can start saying "OMFG FAD OVER"

 

[Boney]

I mean, 200k isn't dead by any means. It's certainly starting to fizzle and will probably be well in to its fourth year or even fifth before we can start saying "OMFG FAD OVER"

Yeah, but that's absolutely taking things in a vacuum and completely missing the point. Should be the same people that called the DS a fad. The mere fact that we change products every 6 years means we're dealing with fads.

Definately one of the weirdest posts I've seen on gaf.

 

[Busaiku]

I mean, 200k isn't dead by any means. It's certainly starting to fizzle and will probably be well in to its fourth year or even fifth before we can start saying "OMFG FAD OVER"

They could also pull another crazy Christmas.
Highly doubt it, but who knows.

 

[Mastperf]

I mean, 200k isn't dead by any means. It's certainly starting to fizzle and will probably be well in to its fourth year or even fifth before we can start saying "OMFG FAD OVER"

Yeah, no doubt. I expect Nintendo to drop price and sell a boat load this holiday. I would prefer to see the 360 or PS3 come out on top, but I'm expecting another Christmas miracle for the Wii.

 

[Absoludacrous]

I mean, 200k isn't dead by any means. It's certainly starting to fizzle and will probably be well in to its fourth year or even fifth before we can start saying "OMFG FAD OVER"

I think having an actual lineup of solid titles this fall will help the system keep momentum farther into next year, but I do agree it's on the decline.

Then again I think everything will decline next year across the board for all 3 consoles unless Kinect and Move somehow magically take off.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

I'm confused what you're arguing. Are saying that developers/publishers should eventually jump onto the digital download service boat immediately or slowly in time? Or that the digital download services as they are now have much more potential than the current retail market? Either way I'm going to assume the bolded.

That's nearly a million in sales at $15 in a little over a month, the equivalent of one AAA title moving 250k

That's not helping your argument.

and that's not even counting legacy titles like Trials HD and Castle Crashers that stay glued to the top of the charts.

There are "legacy games" for practically any gaming format.

DD titles also have longer legs than their retail counterparts, I'm sure all of these games (released July-August) will be over 200k by the end of the year.

It also puts things in perspective - Mafia and K&L are the kind of games the 360 audience are supposed to be buying in droves, but it turns out they'd rather play artsy 2d throwback games and toon-shaded 3d games, at least once in a while.

How could you come to that conclusion when retail drastically eclipses the digital download market? I agree that this is definitely the route developers/publishers should (and most likely will) take. One day what you say will be reality (I predict 4 to 8 years) but it's certainly not today.

 

[Nocebo]

Yup - looks like i was right a few years ago when i would get BLASTED in here for saying the Nintendo Wii would fizzle in a year or two after mom, pop, grandma, grandpa, uncle Leroy and little johnny jumped into the wii fad during its hayday.

I guess you were off by a couple of years though right? A broken watch is also right 2 times a day.

 

[Boney]

Why isn't he answering ?

 

[Quincey]

They should have done a better job on the console versions. If you're gonna focus your biggest effort on the version that's more likely to sell the least, don't be surprised when this happens.

The 360 is totally fine. It runs well and looks great compared to other 360 games. Is it as good as the pc version? No. The 360 is 5 year old tech.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

It hasn't even been 4 yet has it?

Yarr, I meant going into its fifth year. Should have been more clear there.

 

[Firewire]

My best friend and I are -2 sales right now only because of this. They thought the Summer of Arcade promotion would help them but they didn't understand that consumers didn't want an incomplete game even if it was early.



No there hasn't. Not in the US where NPD sales count and remember that you're in an NPD thread. GT5P is the first ever Prologue NPD has ever seen.

I'm actually surprised you didn't cry about GT sales numbers being fake because of bundles, that's how you usually respond, when anyone talks about GT.

He actually say's that "Sony lost it's chance to draw in the large GT fan base", nowhere does he mention that he is talking about the US only. He made a general statement about the number of GT games in a gen, the region doesn't really matter to the argument, and those regions never had the sales fall off because of the number of GT's released in a gen.

 

[charlequin]

#3 It only had a year less than the DS's life span.

Errr, no. 3/01 - 11/04 isn't even four whole years. DS is going to manage at minimum six.

 

[Branduil]

Yup - looks like i was right a few years ago when i would get BLASTED in here for saying the Nintendo Wii would fizzle in a year or two after mom, pop, grandma, grandpa, uncle Leroy and little johnny jumped into the wii fad during its hayday. I would get called a stupid fucker in here for even stating that back then and would get attacked with violent words from the so called Mr. know-it-all's around here that think they know it all and eveyrone else is wrong with their opinion...god thats so freaking annoying to deal with in here some times..and there a few others that felt the same as i did about the big debates that would go on about this back then so i had some guys behind me but for the most part the arrogant SOB's in here would slit your throat for saying such things..hell i even had a mod ban me for saying the wii was just a fad...im sure you neogaf lifers know who this mod was..he was a nintendo fanboy to the fullest and would use his mod powers to ban someone if they said any thing that ruffled up his feathers :lol


This is EXACTLY what i predicted and this is EXACTLY whats happening right now. Man i wish i wasnt so lazy to go sift through those years old threads we debating to shove them in the assholes that got all personal and resorted to the nasty name calling towards anyone that would even mention what i mentioned..i even ues to get pm threats from some of the nintendo fanboys and i wasnt even bashing the damn thing..i just felt it was a fad that would fizzle out. And before fanboys get pissed at what im saying..i have not said at all that the wii is dead..all im saying is that its like a can of soda that has lost is fizzle...simple is that and no one wants to drink that kind of soda ....you dig?

It all comes down to Nintendo skimping out on the hardware and not going HD which pissed me off royally. To this day i bugs me because although what i've said may come off as me being a fanboy of the 360...im truly a gamer that loves all systems, owns all systems and enjoys pc gaming just as much as console gaming. ..although i no longer have my wii..i gave it to my nephew a year or so ago.

By the way..im VERY happy to see the good ps3 numbers as well...i must admit that i been playing more and more ps3 exclusive games lately and with GT5 around the corner...its gonna be one heck of a winter season for me as im loving some of these ps3 exlusives coming out. I can clearly see ps3 developers are utilizing the cell and rsx in tandom with some impressive results indeed. I cant even imagine what Polyphony Digital has done with taking advantage of the ps3's hardware...

 

[charlequin]

Why isn't he answering ?

Okay, seriously, having the same avatar in your rotation as Gravijah is totally not cool.

 

[C4Lukins]

Do people still say this shit?

Most people bought an Xbox 1 at $199 or less. Lots of the Halo players I know bought their system when Halo 2 shipped; at this point the Xbox 1 was $149. With a hard drive.

When Halo 3 shipped, a 360 was $299/$399.

Not everybody runs out and buys a system the first couple of years of a generation, especially when the generation is so damned expensive. Even if they want to play Halo.

Some people will definitely buy a 360 for Reach, which is a far cry from the 'Nobody' that you tout. Some of them will be new to the Halo franchise. Some have just been budget minded. I'd suspect sales of Halo 3 and ODST will spike up next month but tons of those will be used copies.

That is the thing with Halo and even with the Wii doomsayers.

With the Wii there are 2 year olds that will soon be 6 year olds and parents are going to be looking to buy them their first gaming system this holiday. With Halo you have ten year olds that are now maybe 13 and are getting into more mature gaming and this could very well be the first Halo game they ever play. And then you have 13 year olds that are now 16 year olds who can maybe go out and buy their own system for the first time. The idea that some have the idea that you have already conquered a market or age group when we are looking at 4 and 5 year old systems is silly when you have a whole new generation of gamers at several levels that are potential new buyers.

On the topic of who will win this Christmas. I have to go with the Wii. Last year was insane, and a big part of that was the system finally caught up with demand at the right time, but I also do believe it is a system that is more likely to be purchased as a Christmas gift. For the 360 to win I think that Kinect will have to become the Beenie Baby, Furby, Tickle Me Elmo, Tamagotchi, or Wii of years past for them to come out number 1. That sort of shit does not happen often, and when it does it typically happens to a single product and your product is not likely to be that product.

 

[Boney]

Okay, seriously, having the same avatar in your rotation as Gravijah is totally not cool.

He robbed me! Ok fine I'll change

We wanted to be brothers and share ugly Roll.

Besides I was planning my revenge because of yesterday

Errr, no. 3/01 - 11/04 isn't even four whole years. DS is going to manage at minimum six.

GBA still lived until 2006 though. (unless we're talking about something else.)

 

[Gribbix]

Not exactly an example of "what developers should be doing" if you're looking for a counter-example to blockbusters, since most of these blockbusters are just shooter hybrids with some form of online multiplayer.

I can think of no better example of taking a 'blockbuster' and turning it into a downloadable game than Lara Croft & tGoL. It's clear from your post you haven't played it so I'm not going to bother arguing. Instead, I'll just suggest you try it out first before saying its a bad example of anything. It's far more than a "shooter hybrid."

 

[charlequin]

GBA still lived until 2006 though. (unless we're talking about something else.)

The most relevant comparison here is from launch date until successor's launch, but even if you extend it out to end of effective lifespan instead the DS is likely to carry on for at least one more year in every territory which still puts it a minimum of two years ahead of the GBA.

We wanted to be brothers and share ugly Roll.

This is rapidly going to an uncomfortable place...

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I'm confused what you're arguing. Are saying that developers/publishers should eventually jump onto the digital download service boat immediately or slowly in time? Or that the digital download services as they are now have much more potential than the current retail market? Either way I'm going to assume the bolded.



That's not helping your argument.



There are "legacy games" for practically any gaming format.

DD titles also have longer legs than their retail counterparts, I'm sure all of these games (released July-August) will be over 200k by the end of the year.



How could you come to that conclusion when retail drastically eclipses the digital download market? I agree that this is definitely the route developers/publishers should (and most likely will) take. One day what you say will be reality (I predict 4 to 8 years) but it's certainly not today.

The article you posted gave numbers from 2009. Retail dollars are down since then - I'm going to take shot in the dark and say that DD sales are going up over the same time period.

Revenue may not be the same, but I think you and I are arguing the same thing; the market cannot sustain an indefinite push for more AAA content.

Not without pulling in new hardcore users, who seem to be in limited supply.

When I see Limbo push more units than both console skus of a game like Mafia combined, I see users making a conscious choice for shorter, cheaper games at the expense of the existing AAA model. Not 5 years down the line, right now that's money that could have padded Mafias soft launch being spent on virtual money to buy dd software. Most of these games will probably turn a profit, and even the ones that don't won't put anyone 40 million in the red.

The only reason it isn't happening faster is because of near extortion-like pressure from retailers. Off-topic, but if MS could sell Reach day and date on XBL without gamestop having an aneurysm, they would.

 

[Speevy]

I can think of no better example of taking a 'blockbuster' and turning it into a downloadable game than Lara Croft & tGoL. It's clear from your post you haven't played it so I'm not going to bother arguing. Instead, I'll just suggest you try it out first before saying its a bad example of anything. It's far more than a "shooter hybrid."

I wasn't trying to slight the game or call it a shooter hybrid.

Your post actually agrees with what I was saying, which is that a multiplayer-focused version of a (once) popular series falls right in line with the blockbuster model.

It was the post I replied to (the one by Flying_Phoenix) which said these games eschewed the blockbuster model.

 

[Fredescu]

When I see Limbo push more units than both console skus of a game like Mafia combined

You were wrong about this, I pointed it out before. Limbo numbers are worldwide while your Mafia II numbers are US only.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I wasn't trying to slight the game or call it a shooter hybrid.

Your post actually agrees with what I was saying, which is that a multiplayer-focused version of a (once) popular series falls right in line with the blockbuster model.

It was the post I replied to (the one by Flying_Phoenix) which said these games eschewed the blockbuster model.

Lara Croft atGoL really isn't multiplayer focused though, nor is it really a shooter.

Its an isometric view platforming puzzle action game with (optional) cooperative gameplay.

And it's the best Tomb Raider game in a decade.

Edit: fair point about ww sales, but I don't think we're ever going to see dd sales divided by region. Any way you slice it, there are still hundreds of thousands of 360 owners actively either supplementing (or in the scenario I'm arguing, replacing) 60 retail games with the occasional $10-$15 title.

 

[Boney]

This is rapidly going to an uncomfortable place...

whoopsie :lol

The most relevant comparison here is from launch date until successor's launch, but even if you extend it out to end of effective lifespan instead the DS is likely to carry on for at least one more year in every territory which still puts it a minimum of two years ahead of the GBA.

I agree, but the death of the GBA was artificially made because of the PSP. It could've have happened differently for all we know of. No use arguing about it though.

 

[Vic]

Okay, seriously, having the same avatar in your rotation as Gravijah is totally not cool.

I guess you weren't here yesterday night :lol

 

[Speevy]

Lara Croft atGoL really isn't multiplayer focused though, nor is it really a shooter.

Its an isometric view platforming puzzle action game with (optional) cooperative gameplay.

And it's the best Tomb Raider game in a decade.

Super. And thus includes another episode of responding to comments about things I didn't post.

EDIT: And every piece of marketing or review of the game mentions or advertises a multiplayer component, SO I'M NOT CRAZY.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

I'm actually surprised you didn't cry about GT sales numbers being fake because of bundles, that's how you usually respond, when anyone talks about GT.

He actually say's that "Sony lost it's chance to draw in the large GT fan base", nowhere does he mention that he is talking about the US only. He made a general statement about the number of GT games in a gen, the region doesn't really matter to the argument, and those regions never had the sales fall off because of the number of GT's released in a gen.

Why would you assume someone was talking about WW numbers in an NPD thread? We aren't talking about other regions in an NPD thread, we are talking about the US. It's safe to assume that if someone doesn't mention a region in a NPD thread they are talking about US... oh, and FYI in MediaCreate threads assume they are talking about Japan.

I didn't mention the bundles as it seems that mostly people that don't even live in the NPD reporting area bring up worldwide bundled sales of GT instead of talking about actual NPD reporting of the game.

 

[verbatimo]

Yup - looks like i was right a few years ago when i would get BLASTED in here for saying the Nintendo Wii would fizzle in a year or two after mom, pop, grandma, grandpa, uncle Leroy and little johnny jumped into the wii fad during its hayday. I would get called a stupid fucker in here for even stating that back then and would get attacked with violent words from the so called Mr. know-it-all's around here that think they know it all and eveyrone else is wrong with their opinion...god thats so freaking annoying to deal with in here some times..and there a few others that felt the same as i did about the big debates that would go on about this back then so i had some guys behind me but for the most part the arrogant SOB's in here would slit your throat for saying such things..hell i even had a mod ban me for saying the wii was just a fad...im sure you neogaf lifers know who this mod was..he was a nintendo fanboy to the fullest and would use his mod powers to ban someone if they said any thing that ruffled up his feathers :lol


This is EXACTLY what i predicted and this is EXACTLY whats happening right now. Man i wish i wasnt so lazy to go sift through those years old threads we debating to shove them in the assholes that got all personal and resorted to the nasty name calling towards anyone that would even mention what i mentioned..i even ues to get pm threats from some of the nintendo fanboys and i wasnt even bashing the damn thing..i just felt it was a fad that would fizzle out. And before fanboys get pissed at what im saying..i have not said at all that the wii is dead..all im saying is that its like a can of soda that has lost is fizzle...simple is that and no one wants to drink that kind of soda ....you dig?

It all comes down to Nintendo skimping out on the hardware and not going HD which pissed me off royally. To this day i bugs me because although what i've said may come off as me being a fanboy of the 360...im truly a gamer that loves all systems, owns all systems and enjoys pc gaming just as much as console gaming. ..although i no longer have my wii..i gave it to my nephew a year or so ago.

By the way..im VERY happy to see the good ps3 numbers as well...i must admit that i been playing more and more ps3 exclusive games lately and with GT5 around the corner...its gonna be one heck of a winter season for me as im loving some of these ps3 exlusives coming out. I can clearly see ps3 developers are utilizing the cell and rsx in tandom with some impressive results indeed. I cant even imagine what Polyphony Digital has done with taking advantage of the ps3's hardware...

 

[Boney]

I guess you weren't here yesterday night :lol

 

[Vic]

Divine justice. You get me to stop shadowing you, but when your selfish ass decides to do it as well, a mod tells you off. Awesome :lol

 

[Gravijah]

Divine justice. You get me to stop shadowing you, but when your selfish ass decides to do it as well, a mod tells you off. Awesome :lol

Ahhh the simple pleasures in life.

 

[Boney]

Divine justice. You get me to stop shadowing you, but when your selfish ass decides to do it as well, a mod tells you off. Awesome :lol

I probably could've died and you would've gotten my avatar. Think about that.

 

[Mooreberg]

I think we're beginning to see a trend here in terms of software sales. Aside from major releases like Halo and COD, I expect there to be a decrease year-on-year. If this trend continues throughout the year, it could lead to a rush for the next-gen consoles in an attempt to revitalise the market.

Due to Kinect, I don't think we see another system from Microsoft until 2012. And that would not be rushing anything since 360 will be seven years old by then.

The problem here is that third parties do not want the development costs on console games going up any more, so they need to decide if they can live with software sales in gradual decline.

This console cycle hasn't even hit $150 price points (on non-gimped models) yet either.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I wasn't trying to slight the game or call it a shooter hybrid.

Your post actually agrees with what I was saying, which is that a multiplayer-focused version of a (once) popular series falls right in line with the blockbuster model.

It was the post I replied to (the one by Flying_Phoenix) which said these games eschewed the blockbuster model.

Unless I'm mistaken, you're arguing that the new Laura Croft game follows the traditional blockbuster model by turning it into a multiplayer shooter.

To which I (and the other guy) responded, no one who actually played it would make such a statement, it's absolutely nothing like any of the existing AAA titles on PS360, and its single player is an amazing experience.

If I'm still misinterpreting, you're going to have to be clearer.

 

[Spike]

That is the thing with Halo and even with the Wii doomsayers.

With the Wii there are 2 year olds that will soon be 6 year olds and parents are going to be looking to buy them their first gaming system this holiday. With Halo you have ten year olds that are now maybe 13 and are getting into more mature gaming and this could very well be the first Halo game they ever play. And then you have 13 year olds that are now 16 year olds who can maybe go out and buy their own system for the first time. The idea that some have the idea that you have already conquered a market or age group when we are looking at 4 and 5 year old systems is silly when you have a whole new generation of gamers at several levels that are potential new buyers.

On the topic of who will win this Christmas. I have to go with the Wii. Last year was insane, and a big part of that was the system finally caught up with demand at the right time, but I also do believe it is a system that is more likely to be purchased as a Christmas gift. For the 360 to win I think that Kinect will have to become the Beenie Baby, Furby, Tickle Me Elmo, Tamagotchi, or Wii of years past for them to come out number 1. That sort of shit does not happen often, and when it does it typically happens to a single product and your product is not likely to be that product.

I, uh, wow.

 

[TheSeks]

Yup - looks like i was right a few years ago when i would get BLASTED in here for saying the Nintendo Wii would fizzle in a year or two after mom, pop, grandma, grandpa, uncle Leroy and little johnny jumped into the wii fad during its hayday. I would get called a stupid fucker in here for even stating that back then and would get attacked with violent words from the so called Mr. know-it-all's around here that think they know it all and eveyrone else is wrong with their opinion...god thats so freaking annoying to deal with in here some times..and there a few others that felt the same as i did about the big debates that would go on about this back then so i had some guys behind me but for the most part the arrogant SOB's in here would slit your throat for saying such things..hell i even had a mod ban me for saying the wii was just a fad...im sure you neogaf lifers know who this mod was..he was a nintendo fanboy to the fullest and would use his mod powers to ban someone if they said any thing that ruffled up his feathers :lol


This is EXACTLY what i predicted and this is EXACTLY whats happening right now. Man i wish i wasnt so lazy to go sift through those years old threads we debating to shove them in the assholes that got all personal and resorted to the nasty name calling towards anyone that would even mention what i mentioned..i even ues to get pm threats from some of the nintendo fanboys and i wasnt even bashing the damn thing..i just felt it was a fad that would fizzle out. And before fanboys get pissed at what im saying..i have not said at all that the wii is dead..all im saying is that its like a can of soda that has lost is fizzle...simple is that and no one wants to drink that kind of soda ....you dig?

It all comes down to Nintendo skimping out on the hardware and not going HD which pissed me off royally. To this day i bugs me because although what i've said may come off as me being a fanboy of the 360...im truly a gamer that loves all systems, owns all systems and enjoys pc gaming just as much as console gaming. ..although i no longer have my wii..i gave it to my nephew a year or so ago.

By the way..im VERY happy to see the good ps3 numbers as well...i must admit that i been playing more and more ps3 exclusive games lately and with GT5 around the corner...its gonna be one heck of a winter season for me as im loving some of these ps3 exlusives coming out. I can clearly see ps3 developers are utilizing the cell and rsx in tandom with some impressive results indeed. I cant even imagine what Polyphony Digital has done with taking advantage of the ps3's hardware...

Are you high? Are you posting while drunk? I'm curious what made you do this diarrhea of the keyboard in an NPD thread.

That said, LMAO @ custom title.

Laura

SMH. It's Lara. Why 13 years later have people STILL not learned the proper first name of this character that was a pop-culture icon for a while?

 

[Speevy]

Unless I'm mistaken, you're arguing that the new Laura Croft game follows the traditional blockbuster model by turning it into a multiplayer shooter.

To which I (and the other guy) responded, no one who actually played it would make such a statement, it's absolutely nothing like any of the existing AAA titles on PS360, and its single player is an amazing experience.

If I'm still misinterpreting, you're going to have to be clearer.

I wasn't saying it was trying to be a multiplayer shooter. I said most blockbusters are shooter hybrids with an online multiplayer component. In terms of taking an existing gameplay formula and adapting it to be multiplayer-focused, the game is not dissimilar from the blockbuster. Sorry if that was confusing.

Spoiler

if you don't want me to just post a trailer of the game, please don't respond that it's a single player focused game, I beg you