Tylahedras
Banned
Begrudging congrats to the Wii, I'm surprised Sony eeked out a victory, I'm not sold that they will win month over month in 2010 though.
We, shall, see.
We, shall, see.
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NPD Sales Results for December 2009
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Metroid Killer
Member
Just wow at those Wii numbers...
And I don't think it's unrealistic that Dec 2010 will yield 3m+ sales again with quite a lot of big software releases spread out through the year. Combine that with the next big casual title that Nintendo have in store(wii vitality sensor?) and we have a winner.
And I don't think it's unrealistic that Dec 2010 will yield 3m+ sales again with quite a lot of big software releases spread out through the year. Combine that with the next big casual title that Nintendo have in store(wii vitality sensor?) and we have a winner.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
I'm surprised it's that close, really, considering Microsoft didn't even turn up this Christmas.Tylahedras said:
grandjedi6 said:
Still in the process of reading the thread, but this is getting too stupid:
WHAT is that "Wii userbase" you´re talking about? There were many, many shitty games that sold well on PS2, simply because of its enormous install base. But that´s got NOTHING to do with the potential sales for "gamers games" (what a shit term).
Yes
No, its a matter of thinking about it for just a second. A high budget-Wii games is much cheaper than a high budget HD-game.
And really, what Wii-gamers (and Im talking about Wii-gamers that post on neogaf or other gaming boards) want are good games. That´s it. If there WERE several AAA-bombs on the Wii, you´d have reason to twist it into an argument, but there havent been any. People keep mentioning Little Kings Story, but guess what, that game isnt AAA, and neither did it have anything close to a high budget.
The high budget-AAA market on Wii is 99,9% unexplored by third parties. The only exception so far is Monster Hunter 3, which beat EVERY PS2-MH by several 100k´s.
Give the Wii an exclusive Resident Evil 6, using slightly improved RE4 assets, and you have a multi-million seller. Give it a real Final Fantasy and it will sell. And ffs, Konami, make Zone of the Enders 3 for Wii, using gorgeous cel-shading. It´d be perfect for both the wiimote and motionplus.
But that´s not happening. Capcom will put out crappy ports, SE will ignore the Wii and Konami will release another PES Wii without marketing and releasing it after the HD-versions.
"If we wait it´ll just go away."
That seems to be third parties way of thinking. And im more than happy that it´s not working out.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Firestorm said:
The PC platform is not indicative of your status as a gamer.
Son of Godzilla
Banned
That's really just bad math on your part.selig said:
Well, no it's not. Just the high budget exclusive market. There's a handful of respectable multiplatform efforts on the Wii, and I think ultimately that is what is going to have to satisfy. I think the vast majority of companies are afraid of losing the prestige associated with their easy money franchises, that's why they make sure to go with the full tilt HD sequels and neglect the untraditional console/handheld. I think we've established that their MO has traditionally been to throw shit at a wall and run with what sticks. They are just afraid of their shit loosing adhesion.
SlipperySlope
Banned
Any #'s outside top 10?
boiled goose
good with gravy
SlipperySlope said:
We got combined madden, guitar hero 5, and the beatles rock band. That is it I believe...
Want numbers for:
Silent Hill
Reflex
GT psp
You know, you're right, Little King's Story isn't an AAA game. LKS is a GOD TIER SUPER ULTRA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-GAME. But one should not have expected it to sell because it's too good for that.selig said:
anyway, RE6 should show up on the Wii, but I don't think Capcom should feel it has to be exclusive, and should instead do what Na'gai suggested and lead it on the Wii, upscale for other consoles.
also:
This would put a number of GAFers on suicide watch. :lol
Shalashaska
Member
Pretty amazing NSMBWii numbers considering when I went to buy it as a Christmas present, I couldn't find the game in stock anywhere.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Firestorm said:
I don't.Warm Machine
Member
selig said:
Actually the dev costs for a real MW2 for Wii would be equivalent. Or even more expensive because you have to reverse train the staff. The demand for visual fidelity and performance in the genre is so great you'd have to work damn hard to make it look and play slick. Almost all games with realistic visuals start that way and build downwards.
Marketing costs and publishing costs are identical no matter what console and that is over half your budget anyway.
It is working out for publishers. The number of games selling quite well over the last few months and even over the year is astonishing on the HD consoles. If a little known non marquee titles like Borderlands, Infamous, or Red Faction, have been lighting up sales over the year everyone should be doing pretty well, let alone the MW2s, AC2s, ODSTs, UC2s, and L4Ds, of the industry.
The industry is pretty healthly and I think most publishers in that space this year have had million plus sellers. This is going to continue into next year with its insane slate of titles. If 3rd parties are bitching about cast it isn't because of their efforts on the 360 or PS3.
Well, I don't think you're usually one of those people who bitches in topic after topic about not getting enough games on Wii so that should be fine. It's those people who really need to take a step back and realize they should be buying the system with the games they want rather than buying the system with the brand they worship.Regulus Tera said:
Wha?jeremy1456 said:
If this was true, then making a AAA HD game now would cost the same as making a AAA PS2 game would have 5 years ago. The costs have increased by 2-3 times.Warm Machine said:
That's just not how games are made. You overshoot by a little, yes, but you don't shoot for the sun when you only need to hit the moon.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I have all these things!Firestorm said:
I am amazing.
Firestorm said:
handhelds don't exist now? I think there's that thing called the DEE ESS.
I haven't paid much attention to consoles outside of trying to get into the FFXIV beta, and I signed up for the PC one too.
firestorm, you're better than pandering like that. It's ok to be passionate and show preference, just don't be a retard about it.
tak said:
:lol good description
The wii is really strange. Two different relative families of me bought a wii at christmas. i tried to tell them about some good "games" but they are only interested in games with "fit", "party" etc. in the title. They don't even want Mario Galaxy
ShockingAlberto
Member
I have this problem when friends buy the 360! They only want Modern Warfare and Army of Two and don't really give a shit about Tales of Vesperia and EDF.Donos said::lol good description
The wii is really strange. Two different relative families of me bought a wii at christmas. i tried to tell them about some good "games" but they are only interested in games with "fit", "party" etc. in the title. They don't even want Mario Galaxy
jim-jam bongs
Member
legend166 said:
He didn't come back to clarify so I could be wrong, but it's possible that he meant that one could have a PC from the last few years that isn't used for games. So just having a decent PC doesn't indicate that a person is a gamer, where having a 360/PS3 would.
That said, it's a strange point and I'm not sure I see why it's relevant.
Warm Machine said:
no, it´s really not. And you´re delusional if you keep insisting on "down training", wtf
theBishop said:
FF15. Wasnt that hard to figure out, was it.
Firestorm said:
This is a sales age-topic. And that´s the great thing about sales: They´re not open to personal opinion. So what current sales are telling, is: 3rd parties are not putting the right software on the Wii.
Now, what that "right software" is, is open to discussion, but seeing how there´s simply nothing on par with their HD-efforts, it´s pretty clear imo. Also, beyond all the sales-talk, it IS pretty ignorant to tell a 50 mio. install base´s audience to buy another system. THere´s not 50 mio. soccer moms. And it´s not as if Nintendo´s own "core games" havent sold millions...they have.
It´s amusing how some people honestly think there´s a conspiracy against third-parties and people buying only Nintendo games just because. Someone already explained it: Brand loyalty is something that´s earned. That´s where third parties have f***** up big time, and that´s where they have to start from new.
Exactly. People (well, myself, for one) are simply trying to understand the inverse relationship between Wii hardware sales and third-party support, and trying to understand a market that is considered "unpredictable" and stupid by third-party publishers.Hero said:
Western third party developers have undergone huge losses in the past year, and I don't think the economy itself can be blamed. Wanting third parties to enjoy excellent profits (not just excellent if slightly narrow sales) is not bitching in the least.
jim-jam bongs
Member
Hero said:
Hey I don't disagree with your point, but my interpretation was that he was just making a distinction between gaming devices and devices that can play games.
Warm Machine said:
Really?
Games Industry Hit By 11,500 Layoffs Since 2008
I'm sure the recession has a lot to do with it but it's definitely not only that.
yurinka
Member
Sony publishes their worldwide numbers for their investors every quarter and sometimes -like in E3, CES- they mention their WW sales. They became public.Karma said:
We can extrapolate "European" numbers substracting NA and JAP numbers from these wordwide numbers.
These numbers for the investors are the real ones, they obviously won't lie to them. We know this numbers up to 30th September 2009. At the end of the month we will see the results of the quarter ending 31th Dec 2009.
PSGames said:
Sales didn't pick up after the price drop. It spiked but was still down yoy for several months. That fact probably exacerbated the criticism, which fairly or unfairly painted it as a bubble, though what a strange bubble it is. Nintendo just had a very strong November/December.
And consider this, The 3.8 million figure is just US only. If you include Canada, that number is just colossal. Easily 4.2 to 4.5 million hardware units moved in one region in one month.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Firestorm said:
No, I've bitched plenty about S&P2 not being out for Q1. And since that's worth like ten games, it kinda applies.
Monty Mole
Member
Indeed.tak said:
I think Microsoft is banking on Wii to have peaked in December 2009 with them releasing Natal this year. But if Nintendo can push through almost 4m consoles again this December, given that Natal is directly aimed at the same market, then Natal will be literally obliterated.
I think Microsoft has its toughest year ahead in terms of what they ultimately want to achieve. Sony has steered away from their motion control method being 'for the casuals' and tried to make it seem more like a gamer's solution, not putting them directly in Nintendo's (and the critics') line of fire.
Personally, I can't wait. I honestly think this is going to be one of the most interesting years in gaming for a long time from a business standpoint. There's also a ton of awesome games coming out this year too, so it's great from that standpoint too
Andronicus
Banned
Except when they laugh at you for being the moron because the game isnt on pc .....legend166 said:
and lol at the people talking about shit from like the 80s you know its 2010 right?
Good point. Almost everybody seems to doubt that Nintendo could possibly launch Mario Galaxy 2, Zelda Wii and Metroid: Other M in the same year -- same holiday season no less -- but with Natal and the Wand coming out, I couldn't think of a better time for Nintendo to release three AAA Wii titles in a row.
And I'd throw in a New Yoshi's Island Wii and/or a Mario Party X too if I were them
And I'd throw in a New Yoshi's Island Wii and/or a Mario Party X too if I were them
Monty Mole
Member
Indeed, although if they did that it'd make Natal look like competition. Wii Relax will probably be the new megagame with legs later in the year. Zelda, Metroid and Galaxy will get some of the core gamers back on board too. Wii will undoubtably have yet another strong year ahead. Which is why I wonder what the hell MS (or Sony for that matter) is going to do trying to counter it.legend166 said:
We still don't know anything. Natal and Dildo are ultimately just hardware. It's the software and marketing that sells. And right now we still don't know what MS or Sony's motion controlled big guns are going to be. Or what their marketing strategy will be either.
legend166 said:
Very likely to see the Wii Slim by then. As I noted in the other thread discussing a possible Wii upgrade, the compulsive obsession with graphics has kind of blinded most people to the obvious.
Nintendo will disappoint most people on GAF again because Wii slim will be in SD, but it'll be more of a DSi type of upgraded than a straight slimming down of the console. Motion plus inclusion, a revised pack-in title, Zelda Wii launching alongside, expanded on-line etc.
I think unless they're totally off their game and think they've won, and nothing about what they've done lately has indicated that, they've been given the greatest gift since they gifted Sony the dual shock by unveiling the N64 a year before it was ready to market. There's basically 12 to 16 months for them to formulate a response, and develop new games before NATAL is even ready to go to market.