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NPD Sales Results for December 2009
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Of course handhelds exist. But the moment someone tries bringing a console experience to a handheld is the minute I stop giving a shit.Deku said:
Unless I am a total fantard for the series like Zelda / Metal Gear / Metroid etc x.x From what I have seen of Wii topics, they want 360 / PS3 style games but on the Wii. It has made absolutely no sense to me why this is the case when most games do not benefit from motion controls and would be better served by the power and online services of those systems.
I believe it's unpredictable in that Wii owners are very diverse and go to different games. It's not like on the Xbox 360 where you put out a game and everybody buys it in Month 1. Wii games have people buying a little bit out of everything. They're just finding it hard to predict what will sell the best and what won't. After all, we see 360 versions of games selling the best in almost all cases but the attach rate is the same across all platforms isn't it? They're all buying the same amount of games per system, but they're buying different ones. I think it was Opiate who brought up that Publishers love control over anything else, and that's probably it.BowieZ said:
As far as developers go, I'd say they just want to make 360/PS3 games as that's what they're interested in.
...Hero said:
You're right. It is sales-age so I won't bring up my annoyance with GAF again.selig said:
Now, I'd say it's also ignorant to assume I'm talking to all 50 million of those Wii owners. No, obviously not all 50 million are soccer moms. However, for the majority of people I remember selling a Wii to at retail, they were perfectly fine with just "that bowling game." My Wii-only relatives are perfectly fine with the library and don't even want the types of games I see clamoured for. Resident Evil? No thanks.
Anyway, would not say these are solid efforts on Wii?
- No More Heroes
- Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World
- Trauma Center: Second Opinion
- Zack and Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure
Are we saying these also needed higher marketing muscle behind them? Would No More Heroes sold more if it had more TV spots? I'm trying to figure out what it is that third parties should be doing because I keep hearing contrary requests. I don't think anyone even cares about motion control anymore as the types of games I keep hearing about wouldn't benefit much from motion control at all. Final Fantasy XV? Who cares about WiiMotion on that?
Canada does not sell 700,000 units a month. 4.2 is the absolute max if you include Canada. It is likely closer to 4.0 - 4.1 million.Deku said:
ShockingAlberto
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Didn't these all sell to expectations or better?Firestorm said:
Trauma Center spawned two sequels on the Wii and one on the DS from a DS game that kinda bombed.
oh come on, no silent hill wii numbers yet????
Anihawk, you always tell us hints, give us some!
and lets compare the numbers to those of Silent hill: Homecoming and have at last evident proof that 3rd parties have a right to bitch and moan when they put hardcore games on Wii and they don't sell as expected.
Anihawk, you always tell us hints, give us some!
and lets compare the numbers to those of Silent hill: Homecoming and have at last evident proof that 3rd parties have a right to bitch and moan when they put hardcore games on Wii and they don't sell as expected.
I'd like to know YTD on SFIV PS3 vs 360 =o
I have had New Blood for a year and still haven't gotten around to playing it x.x
I just didn't know what other Wii games came out since that's what's on my shelf. I know there was Crystal Bearers that apparently came out recently. How is that doing? Original Crystal Chronicles did over a million on GCN iirc.
DS version did well I believe which is why we got Second Opinion which also did well (launch game). New Blood bombed which is expected considering they launched the week after Super Mario Galaxy (GOOD JOB ATLUS). I'm interested to see how Trauma Team does.ShockingAlberto said:
I have had New Blood for a year and still haven't gotten around to playing it x.x
I just didn't know what other Wii games came out since that's what's on my shelf. I know there was Crystal Bearers that apparently came out recently. How is that doing? Original Crystal Chronicles did over a million on GCN iirc.
After the huge ad campaign, I'm sure it did well. Oh wait, what ad campaign?sphinx said:
Hell, I remember seeing some gaffer yesterday saying that he even didn't know there was a new Silent Hill game out for Wii, checked out some videos and decided to buy it. That's right Konami, that's how well you market your games! :lol
Relaxed Muscle
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sphinx said:
I highly doubt it will do as bad as homecoming, but doing better than that game will enough to nintards to say that Nibris was right and Capcom are useless idiots than know nothing of videogame business....
Cygnus X-1
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Stumpokapow said:
That's the best nest IMO. Such an hilarious game!
Taurus said:
Did Silent hill: homecoming get a huge ad campaign unlike shattered memories?
I honestly can't remember but HC received some poor reviews and wasn't that eventful either.
If SM sells far less than HC, I believe 3rd parties have a point when they make statements about retiring support from the wii...
AniHawk said:
That's astonishing, considering SH had no marketing and T-Con had a pretty decent marketing push. Then again, all the hardcore Wii games released from July through November had no marketing, either. I suppose we can chalk this one up to brand recognition for Silent Hill?
Yeah, I mean, it's not like PC had all the good games that the Xbox360 has. No Modern Warfare 2, no Batman, no Borderlands, no Left 4 Dead 2, no Dragon Age, no Assassin's Creed 2Andronicus said:
yeah, I know it will be released later on PC, but who cares? Better version, bitches!!!
We're not gonna get Bioshock 2, Mass Effect 2, Crysis 2, Battlefield, etc.. Man, PC gaming really sucks...
Wii outselling x360 3:1 this Christmas?
I called it last August
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=17123682&postcount=1091
I called it last August
:http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=17123682&postcount=1091
Version 3.0
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ShockingAlberto said:
I don't know about the other two, but Trauma Center: Second Opinion was Atlus' best-selling game ever, up to that point. It's possibly (probably?) been surpassed by Demon's Souls now. The sequel, New Blood, bombed about as hard as it's possible to bomb, though, at least in its early sales (4-digit first month sales). Hopefully it pulled a slow burn, because it's a fantastic game. I hope Trauma Team does well for them.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
AniHawk said:
Well, that surpassed my most pessimistic estimations for both, those sales are bad, fucking bad....
Firestorm said:
That´s fine for your relatives, but to imply there isnt enough of an audience to make a RE-game sell millions is, sorry, ignorant. The millions of casual-hiphip-cool-gangster audience of the PS2 didnt make the success of all the well-known PS2 classics any less likely, did they.
Just up now we were talking about high quality, big hyped games that are missing on the Wii. Now you´re bringing up the term "solid". Yeah, those are solid. But just try to imagine these game would be released for the HD-systems. Would anyone be more excited about them? No. Trauma Center would be laughed off as being a minigame, Zak and Wiki would be called kiddy, and there are enough JRPGs on 360 to ignore a spinoff as well. That leaves NMH.
The Wii has a bunch of "solid" games, but that´s exactly the problem: Solid is the best that 3rd parties were capable of putting on the Wii. If you just take a look at NeoGAf, maybe even only at the Goty-topic, you´ll see A LOT of people that had not a single Wii-game in their vote. Why is that so? Because 3rd parties offer enough high budget high quality games for these systems, to make HD-gamers completely ignore the "solid" games of the Wii. And really, why would I buy a shitty on-rail shooter, when I can have the new Assassins Creed 2 where I can explore a highly detailed, rich crafted game world with lots of interaction options? There´s just no comparison.
Third parties DO need more marketing. Silent Hill Wii is a great example of how apathetic third parties have become. "We wont advertise for Shattered Memories" is what Konami told IGN. FFCC:TCB was set to be released two days after christmas. And Tales of Graces is released one week after the biggest Wii-title for this and the next year AND the most popular JRPG-series´ newest entry. It´s either third parties have forgotten all their marketing skills or they WANT their Wii-"efforts" to bomb.
Regarding FF15: It doesnt have to be literally FF15. Just something on par with that. An effort that shows gamers "hey, SE takes our demands seriously". There´s so many options. For Example, starting a new parallel FF-franchise, i.e. called "Ultima Fantasy" (lol). Or put the Secret of Mana-franchise on the Wii and turn it into a Nintendo-system centric franchise. No matter what you do, however, put in A LOT of effort. And this is not the topic to talk about how you could use motioncontrols for whatever title.
Despite its destiny to bomb, Silent Hill: Shattered Memories is the only western third party-game that showed a developer putting real effort into a Wii-game. It´s sad that Konami themselves killed it.
AnimeTheme
Member
selig said:
The fact that you quoted MH3 as a *successful* "high budget-AAA" title on Wii is a BAD example to begin with. You gloated how much it sold more than the PS2 version, which was something several years ago at a time when the MH franchise had NOT exploded, not to mention you totally ignored the sales of the portable versions. On the other hand, we know as a FACT that the current sales of MH3 in Japan is well UNDER the expectation of the "market" (still unable to sell out the first shipment) and Capcom themselves (they expected 1.5M in Japan alone).
You talk like what the 3d parties need to do is to release their traditional/gamer-oriented/PS360-style AAA title exclusively on Wii, which is nonsense. There is NO evidence to support your claim that 'Wii's "gamer" demographic is about the same amount as the PS360's' to begin with. On the contrary, we have seen examples after examples that traditional/gamer-oriented/PS360-style games have NO advantage in sales (if not actually worse) being on Wii just because it has a bigger userbase. What Wii needs are some AAA titles that are UNIQUE to the system, but not some PS360 "duplicates".
Version 3.0
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Taurus said:
I'm in the same boat. I consider myself an informed gamer. I tend to know the release dates of games I'm interested in, whether I pick them up at launch or later on. And I had no idea that Silent Hill was out until I saw it mentioned here on GAF, a couple weeks after it launched. It slipped right by me.
Attack You
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Not the least bit surprised.AniHawk said:
AnimeTheme said:
A bad thing to do is comparing handheld and home system sales. Fact remains: MH sold nowhere near on the PS2 of what it did on the Wii. And MH3´s sales were only "under expectation" from the view of a certain girl that started riling up the Media Create-topics. MH3 was a great success, saying anything else is a spin on reality.
We have? Feel free to post those.
I agree. But I dont agree with anyone who thinks that "titles that are unique to the system" should be minigames, onrail-shooters or otherwise gimped experiences.
Andronicus
Banned
PSGames said:
not when they have be making a profit since the beginning :lol
A solid title is all you need before throwing marketing dollars at it. A game is "AAA" based on marketing, not on quality. I mean, your "lol mini game collection" argument goes for a lot of Wii's top-sellers but they are top-sellers nonetheless. Do you want effort in games or do you want high marketing behind okay games like Army of Two? Personally, I feel like Wii probably has enough to keep a regular person occupied. I did just well with only a GCN for four years.selig said:
Million Sellers on the Wii
1. Wii Sports (45.71 million) (April 2009)[12]
2. Wii Play (22.98 million) (April 2009)[12]
3. Wii Fit (18.22 million) (April 2009)[12]
4. Mario Kart Wii (15.40 million) (April 2009)[12]
5. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (8.43 million) (April 2009)[12]
6. Super Mario Galaxy (8.02 million) (April 2009)[17]
7. Mario Party 8 (6.72 million) (April 2009)[17]
8. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (4.52 million) (March 2008)[17]
9. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (3.4 million) (March 2008)[18]
10. Link's Crossbow Training (3.76 million) (April 2009)[12]
11. Animal Crossing: City Folk (3.38 million) (April 2009)[12]
12. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (2.9 million) (May 2009)[19]
13. Super Paper Mario (2.28 million) (March 2008)[17]
14. Wii Music (2.65 million (April 2009)[12]
15. Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree (2.26 million) (March 2008)[17]
16. Deca Sports (2 million shipped) (April 2009)[20]
17. Game Party (2 million shipped) (March 2009)[21]
18. WarioWare: Smooth Moves (1.82 million) (July 2007)[22]
19. Mario Strikers Charged (1.77 million) (March 2008)[17]
20. Carnival Games (1.5 million) (June 2008)[23]
21. Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition (1.4 million) (September 2008)[24]
22. Guitar Hero World Tour (1.334 million) (January 2009)[25]
23. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (1.31 million) (March 2008)[17]
24. Mario Super Sluggers (1.26 million) (April 2009)[12]
25. Rayman Raving Rabbids (1.2 million) (March 2008)[18]
26. Sonic and the Secret Rings (1.2 million) (March 2008)[18]
27. We Ski (1.2 million) (December 2008)[26]
28. Big Beach Sports (1.2 million) (February 2009)[27]
29. Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles (1.15 million) (September 2008)[28]
30. Red Steel (1 million) (March 2008)[18]
31. Active Life: Outdoor Challenge (1 million) (January 2009) [29]
32. Rock Band (1 million) (December 2008)[30]
33. Game Party 2 (1 million shipped) [21]
AnimeTheme
Member
selig said:
I stopped reading after this. No one says we should directly compare the sales of the console and the portable versionss, but totally IGNORING it is a real spin on reality. So the retailers over-expecting MH3 sales with their excessive orders and Capcom expecting 1.5M sales are all SPINS? LOL
I am not saying MH3 was a failure, but it was nowhere near a "great success" either.
Katana_Strikes
Member
Very, very, very disappointing sales of Saboteur.
Freezie KO
Banned
I'm a Wii/DS owner. I really dislike the "types of games" argument. What does that even mean?
If you mean epic, open-world, cinematic adventures and experiences, then no, I don't want those. If "types of games" means Bioshock or Oblivion or Mass Effect or GTA4, then no thanks. I don't even buy Zelda or Metroid.
There are plenty of games on Wii and DS to keep me occupied throughout the year. I don't think it's unreasonable, however, to ask for another ground-up FPS with Conduit controls or another RE4 style TPS.
If they come, great. If not, then there are still enough games to satisfy. It's just a shame.
Personally, I skipped all console FPS games last gen because dual analog is uncontrollable for me. Shoddy online or not, I'd like to see another shooter with pointer controls make it onto Wii. And that's not a "type of game" on PS360 because it doesn't exist on PS360... yet.
If you mean epic, open-world, cinematic adventures and experiences, then no, I don't want those. If "types of games" means Bioshock or Oblivion or Mass Effect or GTA4, then no thanks. I don't even buy Zelda or Metroid.
There are plenty of games on Wii and DS to keep me occupied throughout the year. I don't think it's unreasonable, however, to ask for another ground-up FPS with Conduit controls or another RE4 style TPS.
If they come, great. If not, then there are still enough games to satisfy. It's just a shame.
Personally, I skipped all console FPS games last gen because dual analog is uncontrollable for me. Shoddy online or not, I'd like to see another shooter with pointer controls make it onto Wii. And that's not a "type of game" on PS360 because it doesn't exist on PS360... yet.
HocusPocus
Member
Great sales for the 360 given that they haven't needed to take a huge loss on each unit sold to move it. Awesome sales for the Wii. It's the excersize platform for everyone that I know that owns it. 3rd Party software balance on the 360 this generation is just awesome.
I think it's from here: http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/WiiJackano said:
Firestorm said:
Well, to shock you: There hasnt been a quality thirdperson-shooter like Army of Two on the Wii, yet. And yes, compared to the Wii´s third party-line up, AoT is of quality.
This is where we have to draw the line from a pure sales-discussion. Sure there a several topselling mini game collections, but is that the kind of game "gamers" want? The whole argument revolves around the fact that third parties are missing out on a giant market.
Again, take Silent Hill Wii for an example. If marketed right, this could have been the Wii´s Alan Wake. (Im still baffled how gamers are anticipating Alan Wake, the E³ showing was desastrous) Just now, more and more Gaffers are buying the game, because they read somewhere about it, some user experience, then watch a video on Gametrailers, and go all "hey, that looks actually great!".
So if you´re asking what kind of efforts Im talking about that the Wii needs...look at SH Wii.
But so far, third parties put out only "solid" titles, and these can be devided into "super kiddy" or "super violent". There´s no middle ground like SH Wii.
Cygnus X-1
Member
VideoMan said:
Nintendo does not need to pump their numbers up in any way. Just let numbers be what they are is crazily impressive.
Firestorm said:
Marketing is not only about advertisement thrown at at a game´s release date. Look at all the big hyped games for the HD-systems. They´re going through a process of several years hyping before being released.
Konami did nothing to hype SH Wii beforehand, and even didnt bother to advertise at all. Pointing at SH Wii´s sales to proof that such games dont sell on the Wii is just wrong.
Firestorm said:VG Sales Wikia run by w3stfa11 although it seems he's retiring now
But, er, Silent Hill sold less than 50,000 o.o; How much do you think spending millions of dollars on advertising would help?
Heh, I think it needs marketing to explain WHY people should buy it. I mean, who's hyping up their Wii games these days. If I didn't follow this forum, I wouldn't even know this game was released. My friend, who is a HUGE Silent Hill fan, didn't even know the game was coming out. Even then, he was skeptical because there hasn't been any hype. Hype and good marketing pushes games ahead of the pack, and these days Wii games aren't getting any.
AniHawk said:
I still don't understand why SE decided to completly change the FF: CC formula. They killed completly the little brand awareness FF :CC got from its gamecube and DS offerings, confusing everyone.
With some improvements and adaptation to Wii public (easy to pick up but depth underneath, with solid solo play, and great multiplayer you can play in short sessions), and good marketing, I am convinced it would have done better.
Goodbye FF:CC :_(
Oh I know, but that costs money too. I'd like to know what Konami's expectations were for SH. Although if the game is really good enough, I don't see why it shouldn't be able to pull off an Arkham Asylum, Borderlands, Darksiders, etc.selig said:
When was the second time we heard about Killzone 2?Taurus said:
I ended up in a discussion about purported lack of marketing efforts yesterday and named these exact games, only to be promptly told that they had massive campaigns, including TV spots, none of which I saw of course, because I live in the underbrush, where we like long-running sentences more than most other things.Firestorm said:
But yeah. There has to be an element of "this audience is not composed of the same type of individual on average". Has to.
You have my approval of your choice of acronym for this one.AniHawk said:
Cygnus X-1
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AniHawk said:
That's great.