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NPD Sales Results for December 2009
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Bel Marduk
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Pennywise83 said:Konami announces Step to the beat:
Good job konami, i can't really understand why 3rd party software dont sell on the Wii...
Konami: I put a casual game on Wii. Why doesn't it sell?! It-a make no sense!
Stumpokapow said:
While the currently stated tie ratio could also be the monthly tie ratio (it's been static for a few months now), what they usually list is the LTD tie ratio, and then proceed to call it "record-breaking." It's just not clear to me what record they're breaking.
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donny2112 said:
I always took it to mean it's the best tie ratio for that month of a system's life (month 50 right now). I also always took it to mean "we weren't #1 in any more meaningful stat, so this is what we came up with to brag about".
Wii software sales are about brand power. Nintendo has that power with "Wii", "Mario", and "Nintendo". Just look at Wii Music...that piece of trash has sold millions. 3rd parties are basically helpless against that. Their best bet is to try and emulate what Nintendo has done to feed off their success(Wii Sports/Fit rip-offs/mini-game collections).
People always saying that "3rd parties aren't even trying on the Wii". That's such a silly thing to say. Make a hardcore game on Wii? Wrong market. Make a casual game on Wii? Well, that's the way to make some money, but with an oversaturated market dominated by Nintendo it's still challenging to make much.
Epic Mickey is one beacon of hope with its strong branding around it, we'll see I guess.
People always saying that "3rd parties aren't even trying on the Wii". That's such a silly thing to say. Make a hardcore game on Wii? Wrong market. Make a casual game on Wii? Well, that's the way to make some money, but with an oversaturated market dominated by Nintendo it's still challenging to make much.
Epic Mickey is one beacon of hope with its strong branding around it, we'll see I guess.
Sho_Nuff82
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DeaconKnowledge said:
Aren't you projecting a bit here? Halo 3 is the second most popular online shooter in the world, and ODST actually increased its popularity in that space.
The userbase is quite content to play Halo 3 until something better comes along, and the Reach multiplayer is going to have 2.5 million + users in the beta.
The new GI article also promises a rather significant overhaul in the graphics engine and in the gameplay, so the SP will be a pretty big leap as well.
I wouldn't bank against its success, especially if it launches in an otherwise uneventful September.
Eteric Rice
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NeoUltima said:
If people won't buy good games on the Wii, it makes me wonder why Resident Evil 4 sold 1.5 million copies. Did these people just suddenly dissapear?
No, most likely they just haven't had another game like RE4 on the Wii.
And of course a new IP isn't going to sell. You wonder why new IPs sell on the HD consoles? Multi-million dollar advertising campaigns is why. They make an event out of these types of games to get the name out.
boiled goose
good with gravy
NeoUltima said:
Nintendo's mindshare sucked last gen.
Resident Evil is a strong brand.
Call of duty is a strong brand.
Wii music was overhyped and probably sold more than it should have, but i dont think it was a piece of trash comparable to what people refer to as shovelware. i think it proves one thing, hype sells games initially, it obviously didnt reach wii fit numbers because the consumers did not like it as much.
Mario kart wii and NSMBw are core games. Branding helps, but ppl on wii are buying and playing these games in record numbers. you can argue that trying to make a game for this market is extremely tricky or that nintendo also has the core market dominated, but the market is there.
Eteric Rice said:
I think some of them might have disappeared. They either became less active or bought another console or at least do most of their single player core gaming on another console.
Don't know how accurate this is, but was part of a Destrucoid article earlier in the week.
http://www.destructoid.com/10-tips-and-tricks-for-3rd-parties-working-on-wii-games-160019.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/10-tips-and-tricks-for-3rd-parties-working-on-wii-games-160019.phtml
boiled goose
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Penguin said:
Wow, first time a gaming news site says something like this!
Wow...
Also reveals that LTD of reflex is over 500k... US only?
Edit: Hope they are not using banned site numbers... :/
That excitebots LTD is close.....
People have already debunked this post, but I'd just like to point out that the list you quoted is nowhere near complete (in fact, it doesn't even contain half of Wii's total million sellers) and as such is useless to even attempt to draw these conclusions from.speculawyer said:
Nuclear Muffin
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If true then that's pretty darn good, considering that it's an extremely late port that has had to compete with Modern Warfare 2! (Oh and it didn't get a single bit of advertising either, Activision don't even acknowledge its existance on its website :lol)
Bel Marduk
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amtentori said:
They aren't. Edit: The banned site has them slightly lower.
EmCeeGramr
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Penguin said:
yeah man, zack and wiki needed some fucking combat up in that bitch
the fuck is this shit
boiled goose
good with gravy
Kenka said:
im guessing the top 20 should all be above 500k.
What I mean by wrong market is that more can be made from a ps3/360 'hardcore' game than a Wii game. Fact is the hardcore gaming crowd is mostly on the HD consoles. A hardcore game, say an fps, is going to sell more on the HD consoles. CoD:WaW is a good example. All 3 console versions got relatively equal reviews, however the Wii version, while still successful, came nowhere near the success of the HD versions. The market for those types of games is primarily on the HD systems.Eteric Rice said:
RE4 had the benefit of being an early release, and highly acclaimed. I would say that yeah, those people did effectively disappear, to the other two consoles.
Yes, a profit can be made with hardcore games on the Wii. But more can be made on the HD twins...You choose the market where you can make the most profit. Not a hard concept to grasp.
(I'm not sure why you are bringing up advertising. Even with the advertising 3rd parties[especially new ips] will not be able to match the power of Nintendo's properties, is all I was saying there.)
Bel Marduk
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EmCeeGramr
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Bel Marduk said:
help help i've been transported to the past and we're arguing over whether an snes or genesis game is better based on the number of levels
please send help, you'll be able to find me with my flashing tennis shoes
boiled goose
good with gravy
Kenka said:
Holy shit...
I think he could argue which is better, that is completely fair and an opinion.
The problem is the language used to troll NSMBWii.
Calling it a DS port? really?
If new levels, new weapons or upgrades, better graphics, new mechanics only make NSMBWii are remake or an enhanced port, then what the hell are every sequel ever released in the history of videogames??????
NSMBWii is a brand new freaking game.... whether you like it or not is up to debate... :/
oh IGN...
lowlylowlycook
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NeoUltima said:
Profit? You keep using that word...
EmCeeGramr
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oh yeah well my genesis game has an extra level
no way the snes game has better graphics and music
excuse me, but with my turbografx cd version *is given a wedgie*
no way the snes game has better graphics and music
excuse me, but with my turbografx cd version *is given a wedgie*
boiled goose
good with gravy
farnham said:
1up actually does a good job reviewing Wii games now. When they do it they do it without the weird agendas that IGN seems to have...
Regarding Just Dance sales, Lascar's Website announces that Assassin's Creed II on PS3 sold around 417'000 copies.
http://www.nintendojofr.com/redaction/nouvelles/hQfQ-[Charts]_Top_US_NPD_de_décembre_2009.html
What is the source ? I don't know sincerely, but I don't doubt him.
http://www.nintendojofr.com/redaction/nouvelles/hQfQ-[Charts]_Top_US_NPD_de_décembre_2009.html
What is the source ? I don't know sincerely, but I don't doubt him.
I personally don't consider the 'core' Nintendo games(mainly the two you mentioned) to be 'core' or 'casual'. They really appeal to both crowds, though more so to certain groups depending on the game. Nintendo has that universal appeal that the third parties cannot just replicate over night. Nintendo(and its properties) has developed into one the most powerful/valuable brands in the world, deserving of course. I assume Mickey/Disney has similar appeal which is why I think Epic Mickey has potential to sell on par with MKWii, NSMBW, etc.amtentori said:
And...? That's what matters to the bottom line. What word would you prefer?lowlylowlycook said:
EmCeeGramr
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"so how did mario sell more even though splosion man has like a gazillion more levels and super better graphics!? well, i think it's because people like mario a lot, and because nintendo can market mario more."
-an editorial by daemon hatfield, age 12
-an editorial by daemon hatfield, age 12
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
The Nintendo brand name power argument, besides being simplistic, is also ignorant of the fact that the mainstream can't often tell the difference between brands. Everything on the Wii is a Nintendo Game or a Wii Game as far as many mainstream customers are concerned. They do recognize trademark Nintendo characters such as Mario for example. But it's not that the mainstream is stupid. The mainstream user is /not/ a hardcore gamer fanboy who cares what company published what game, who's making the most money, what game sells more units etc. But the reason why nobody picked up something like ExciteBots is because, surprise surprise, it looked stupid and unappealing. Even with "Nintendo" on the box.
Most 3rd party releases on the Wii actually suffer from assuming that the customer is a moron. Wii game packaging, covers, presentation, are cheap and insulting. (Even Nintendo gets this wrong sometimes.) Even on some good games, they're not presented in an appealing way. Silent Hill: Shattered Memories' crappy photoshop cover with its cheap font looks like more Wii shovelware, some faux-mature game.
To the hardcore, people buying games (or not) for what the box art looks like is an old joke used to make fun of "casual" buyers. But really, it shouldn't be a joke. For most people, video game box art /is/ the only commercial they'll ever see for a game - think of it that way. And bad boxes that make the game look trashy are negative advertisements.
Bad box art and stupid blurbs on the back that talk down to people are not the only reason 3rd parties are failing, of course; but it's just one more sign of how almost everything is being done wrong. Publishers have gotten used to having a voracious, practically captive audience with the hardcore and core gamers. (How many great games have bad presentation, bad packaging, bad commercials, but GAF members buy them anyway without a second thought?) The expanded audience is a harder sell and you have to approach them with your best foot forward while wearing a nice, clean suit, so to speak.
The music games, ironically, tend to have good presentation and packaging, good ads, good box art, etc, precisely because most music games have taken the mainstream and expanded audience seriously (because they KNOW that such games have super-wide appeal and aren't the exclusive province of niche, hardcore geeks). I also noticed that the packaging and presentation of EA Sports Active is Serious Business.
Also, about the argument that the core have /left/ the Wii after Resident Evil 4 and whatnot, there's a tiny bit of truth to that in that a lot of core gamers are so incredibly petty and fickle that yes, they sold their Wii the moment they beat Mario Galaxy because it was still a stinky casual trashbox. However, with 65 million consoles out there, PLENTY of core gamers have one. The real problem is that core gamers with a Wii bought one expecting experiences that took full advantage of what made the Wii unique.
Core gamers did not buy the Wii to play Mad World, a beat-em-up that would have been better on an HD console. Resident Evil 4 sold well because it was bloody OBVIOUS that Wii control would make a great game that was begging for pointer aiming, superior. I'd wager that most core gamers just are not excited by the kinds of "teh mature" games put on the Wii since most are experiences they could get on a 360 but with superior graphics.
... entirely aside from the fact that mature is not a genre, and an M-rating means exactly jack squat aside from your game has swear words and blood. But the industry hasn't grasped that yet in the last ten years so no reason they should now.
(Starting a countdown until someone runs in and posts a terrible cover to a Wii game that sold well anyway to prove that presentation doesn't matter. LOL?)
Most 3rd party releases on the Wii actually suffer from assuming that the customer is a moron. Wii game packaging, covers, presentation, are cheap and insulting. (Even Nintendo gets this wrong sometimes.) Even on some good games, they're not presented in an appealing way. Silent Hill: Shattered Memories' crappy photoshop cover with its cheap font looks like more Wii shovelware, some faux-mature game.
To the hardcore, people buying games (or not) for what the box art looks like is an old joke used to make fun of "casual" buyers. But really, it shouldn't be a joke. For most people, video game box art /is/ the only commercial they'll ever see for a game - think of it that way. And bad boxes that make the game look trashy are negative advertisements.
Bad box art and stupid blurbs on the back that talk down to people are not the only reason 3rd parties are failing, of course; but it's just one more sign of how almost everything is being done wrong. Publishers have gotten used to having a voracious, practically captive audience with the hardcore and core gamers. (How many great games have bad presentation, bad packaging, bad commercials, but GAF members buy them anyway without a second thought?) The expanded audience is a harder sell and you have to approach them with your best foot forward while wearing a nice, clean suit, so to speak.
The music games, ironically, tend to have good presentation and packaging, good ads, good box art, etc, precisely because most music games have taken the mainstream and expanded audience seriously (because they KNOW that such games have super-wide appeal and aren't the exclusive province of niche, hardcore geeks). I also noticed that the packaging and presentation of EA Sports Active is Serious Business.
Also, about the argument that the core have /left/ the Wii after Resident Evil 4 and whatnot, there's a tiny bit of truth to that in that a lot of core gamers are so incredibly petty and fickle that yes, they sold their Wii the moment they beat Mario Galaxy because it was still a stinky casual trashbox. However, with 65 million consoles out there, PLENTY of core gamers have one. The real problem is that core gamers with a Wii bought one expecting experiences that took full advantage of what made the Wii unique.
Core gamers did not buy the Wii to play Mad World, a beat-em-up that would have been better on an HD console. Resident Evil 4 sold well because it was bloody OBVIOUS that Wii control would make a great game that was begging for pointer aiming, superior. I'd wager that most core gamers just are not excited by the kinds of "teh mature" games put on the Wii since most are experiences they could get on a 360 but with superior graphics.
... entirely aside from the fact that mature is not a genre, and an M-rating means exactly jack squat aside from your game has swear words and blood. But the industry hasn't grasped that yet in the last ten years so no reason they should now.
(Starting a countdown until someone runs in and posts a terrible cover to a Wii game that sold well anyway to prove that presentation doesn't matter. LOL?)
AceBandage
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Why are people so surprised that Just Dance sold well?
I mean, Suda 51 endorses it!
I mean, Suda 51 endorses it!