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NPD Sales Results for December 2009
- Thread starter EviLore
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well obviously jeremy parish loved it (giving it an A+).. but the guys from at1up (a show i personally enjoy a lot more then EGM live or 1upFM) did not like it at all... which is perfectly fine as its their opinion..Firestorm said:
i was not talking about those instances but more about the discussions shane bettenhausen, luke smith and garnett lee had back in 2006 to 2007
or the recent PAX podcast..
Kenka said:
Thanks Kenka. Some people as usual try to argue that ww numbers have nothing to do with a NPD thread but IMHO they do have a lot to do.
There are three major markets, USA/NA, Europe/Others and Japan. The 360 always had a huge advantage over the ps3 in north america, a slightly advantage in Europe and was always behind in japan, but that never was really a problem since the ps3 had mediocre sales in japan.
Now in 2009 a lot of things changed, japan is becoming an 'issue' now since the ps3 is experiencing decent sales there, and in Europe the playstation is already second both on currently sales and LTD sales. The only thing holding the 360 advantage on ww sales now is the NA market. Thats why it's crucial for microsoft to keep theyr lead, but that seems hardly possible. 2009 was basically a technical tie.
Well the trademark "Wii" itself is what is recognizable, on games like Wii Sports, etc. And obviously Mario on the Mario games. But yeah actually...ExciteBots had no Mario or Wii anywhere in the title and it bombed. Neither did Punch-Out, which didn't bomb, but could have done way better. I think, they do care(even if they don't know that they do) who publishes/makes the game. Thing is they don't know that Nintendo made Excitebots because there was no Mario or Wii in the title. If it was marketed as "Wii Racing" it may have sold millions.Kaijima said:
The_lascar
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It's from this thread.Kenka said:
TurtleSnatcher
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So.. No one knows how Borderlands or UC2 did?
Or demon souls? T_T
Or demon souls? T_T
Freeza Under The Shower
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EmCeeGramr said:
or maybe be a little more appealing than "goofy looking pirate and monkey sidekick"?
Eteric Rice
Member
Question, how much does Nintendo stock cost right now? And whats the minimum amount you can buy?
nextgeneration
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Eteric Rice said:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=NTDOY.PK
Not sure if you can just buy one share or not. A word of warning. Nintendo stock has been stagnant for a very long time, and its heyday has since passed. At this point, I'm not sure what can move the stock, other than Nintendo announcing Wii 2/DS2 or something big.
TurtleSnatcher
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Road said:
Thanks for that.
Nice on Borderlands.. That must mean its nearing or past 1 million in the US.
Nice on DJ Hero too.. Kinda did okay.
DJ Hero did ok. You can use the new IP excuse, but considering how massive the Hero brand was just a year ago and how much promotion they did for DJH, I personally think it is a disappointment.
To be fair, you could get it for free back in September. Any one else who bought the game was either ignorant of the promotion or was a giant Van Halen fan and wanted two copies of the game.Jocchan said:
GH5 sold ~500k in September, but of course not everyone redeemed their copy, especially considering how convoluted the whole fucking process was. They could have been nice and let you redeem it on a website, but noooo. I had to print out a proof of purchase, a redemption form and some other crap and mail it to somewhere in Minnesota.Jocchan said:
Castor Krieg
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Eteric Rice said:
Forget about it, one of basic rules of investing - when you want to buy, the stock will fall a moment later. Regular folks are always off in their investment timeline. Besides, 1-year spread is only 17USD, you would need a lot to make some money on that.
Eteric Rice
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Castor Krieg said:
I'm gonna wait for it to drop of course.
It seems Nintendo comes out with some huge hit every few years, though. I'll probably try to buy when we're in between one of those hits.
Example, pokemon in 1998, DS later on, Wii afterwards.
Valkyr Junkie
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nextgeneration said:
Didn't a year or two ago someone post about how they bought a bunch of Nintendo stock, and then it was just recently bumped showing that he had lost a majority of that money? :lol
Freeza Under The Shower
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Tmac said:
You forget that last year was the year of the PS3 and the next will be bussiness as usual.
It looks more like a tie to me though. In second place... leagues behind.... I feel a Seinfeld reference coming up.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
nextgeneration said:
Right now I'm not sure I want to buy stock, period.
Nothing is set in stone right now, it was very easy for me to see Nintendo dominating this generation because they were very clear about what they were doing, and hid their strategy in plain sight. If you study previous gaming leadership, it was always about expanding the market and creating new territory.
They're still in synch with market expansion, but their next context of use will be the deciding factor on whether they continue their massive leadership or not.
If a year from now the economy is truly safe and the Vitality Sensor works, you can probably then buy Nintendo stock. If The Vitality Sensor works, their next paradigm is a done deal. They're going to follow it up with something really, really massive.
Shadowlink
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Anyone know how much CB sold? Or will we find out once the top 20 releases? I have a bad feeling it's not in the Top 20. 
boiled goose
good with gravy
yoopoo said:
Let's talk about something else...
So will PS3 2010 LTD > 360 2010 LTD?
Psychotext
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No. What's the next subject?amtentori said:
BlackNMild2k1
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Can someone please do a recap of all the sales info found in this massive thread?
I'm just gonna list everything I've run across in this thread so far.
Spirit Tracks > 600k
50k > Silent Hill > FF:CC:TCB
NPD LTDs: (not exact)
WII WII SPORTS RESORT: ~4.5 million
WII NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. WII: ~4.21M
WII WII FIT PLUS: ~3.52 million
360 CALL OF DUTY - MODERN WARFARE 2: ~5.83M
360 ASSASSIN'S CREED II: ~1.58M
360 LEFT 4 DEAD 2: ~1.47M
PS3 CALL OF DUTY - MODERN WARFARE 2: ~2.99M
PS3 UNCHARTED 2: ~950k (1M LTD)
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Hardware LTD:
PS2: ~45.3 million
NDS: ~38.7 million
Wii: ~27.1 million
360: ~18.6 million
PSP: ~16.8 million
PS3: ~11.1 million
December:
[ALL] The Beatles: Rock Band - 357,000
2009:
[ALL] The Beatles: Rock Band - 1,180,000
[ALL] Guitar Hero 5 - 996,000
Assassins Creed 2 [PS3] 417,000
Borderlands ~300,000
The Saboteur < 125,000
GH:Van Halen [All systems] < 75,000
DJ Hero > 800,000 (LTD)
WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2010 < 500k (LTD)
CoD4:MW[REFLEX] ~ 500k
Excitebots LTD 110k
I don't remember who posted what, but that's all I've seen so far.
Is all of this accurate?
I'm just gonna list everything I've run across in this thread so far.
Spirit Tracks > 600k
50k > Silent Hill > FF:CC:TCB
NPD LTDs: (not exact)
WII WII SPORTS RESORT: ~4.5 million
WII NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. WII: ~4.21M
WII WII FIT PLUS: ~3.52 million
360 CALL OF DUTY - MODERN WARFARE 2: ~5.83M
360 ASSASSIN'S CREED II: ~1.58M
360 LEFT 4 DEAD 2: ~1.47M
PS3 CALL OF DUTY - MODERN WARFARE 2: ~2.99M
PS3 UNCHARTED 2: ~950k (1M LTD)
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Hardware LTD:
PS2: ~45.3 million
NDS: ~38.7 million
Wii: ~27.1 million
360: ~18.6 million
PSP: ~16.8 million
PS3: ~11.1 million
December:
[ALL] The Beatles: Rock Band - 357,000
2009:
[ALL] The Beatles: Rock Band - 1,180,000
[ALL] Guitar Hero 5 - 996,000
Assassins Creed 2 [PS3] 417,000
Borderlands ~300,000
The Saboteur < 125,000
GH:Van Halen [All systems] < 75,000
DJ Hero > 800,000 (LTD)
WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2010 < 500k (LTD)
CoD4:MW[REFLEX] ~ 500k
Excitebots LTD 110k
I don't remember who posted what, but that's all I've seen so far.
Is all of this accurate?
Shadowlink said:Anyone know how much CB sold? Or will we find out once the top 20 releases? I have a bad feeling it's not in the Top 20.
Are you talking about Crystal Bearers? I thought AniHawk posted earlier that it was below Silent Hill:SM, which itself sold below 50K. So not well.
Off-topic, but I don't know if it deserves the sales in the first place - I've only played the first few hours, but combat's pretty frustrating and repetitive and it's super-linear, and it doesn't seem like much of a Final Fantasy game. Art direction and characters are nice though.
iamaustrian said:
No. You are wrong. The word 'gamer' is essentially short for 'games enthusiast'. A 'gamer' is a person who identifies as a gamer, a person who, if you asked them, "What are your hobbies?" would say that they play games.
Everyone plays games, but not everyone considers it a major, or even notable, facet of their lifestyle. There are millions of people who probably spend several hours a week playing video games but, if you asked them what their hobbies are, wouldn't even think to say they play video games. The difference between a 'gamer' and everyone else is that a gamer thinks of themselves as a gamer. Everyone else just sort of plays games sometimes.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Excitebots LTD 110k
COD MW R Wii LTD >500k
according to Destructoid
not sure of their source
COD MW R Wii LTD >500k
according to Destructoid
not sure of their source
There was never any chance in hell of it coming anywhere near the top 20 in December. Sold < 50k. Most optimistic scenario is it sells similarly next month.Shadowlink said:Anyone know how much CB sold? Or will we find out once the top 20 releases? I have a bad feeling it's not in the Top 20.
Shadowlink
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Well it released in the last week of December, so hopefully it keeps on selling this month.jgwhiteus said:
Don't like continuing a discussion that's been done to death, but with the advice of "third parties should just move on and stick with the PS3 / 360, and there's no point of continuing the discussion of Wii third parties at this point" - isn't this actually the time third parties need more than ever to think about what they'll be doing in the future?
Assuming games have 1-3 years development time, any decisions third parties make today won't come to fruition until this cycle is nearing the end, or someone's jumped the gun and started the next cycle. As someone pointed out earlier, the problems revealed this generation (splitting audiences, difficulty reaching an "expanded" audience, rising development costs) won't just solve themselves the next with a simple "restart". I agree discussion of "should I develop for Wii/PS3/360" is getting kinda moot, but isn't this a critical period to think of how the next generation will be handled, and make changes if necessary?
Assuming games have 1-3 years development time, any decisions third parties make today won't come to fruition until this cycle is nearing the end, or someone's jumped the gun and started the next cycle. As someone pointed out earlier, the problems revealed this generation (splitting audiences, difficulty reaching an "expanded" audience, rising development costs) won't just solve themselves the next with a simple "restart". I agree discussion of "should I develop for Wii/PS3/360" is getting kinda moot, but isn't this a critical period to think of how the next generation will be handled, and make changes if necessary?
Rated-Rsuperstar
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Damn you people. Buy the game, it really is good. I want a sequel.
SapientWolf
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I think it'll do around the same. Nintendo really needs a bridge game. The difficulty gap between SMG and NSMB is massive.rpmurphy said:
Little Green Yoda
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Kaijima said:
I don't believe MadWorld flopped because it didn't offer motion/pointer controls. If it had been multiplat, that would be a good argument but I'm not so sure it holds that much weight when you're talking exclusives. Did SSB:B suffer in sales because it didn't utilize the trademark controls of the Wii? Unless your argument hinges on gamers purposely boycotting MadWorld in hopes that it ends up being up-ported to the HD consoles...
Without getting into whether or not a sizable "core" gamer audience exists currently on the Wii, motion controls (like touchscreen controls for the DS) shouldn't be shoehorned into the game just to make it different or to justify its existence as a Wii game. That's the kind of thinking that results in some of the shovelware we see all too often. Just make fun, enjoyable games.
EDIT: Also, is there any ETA for the "crossing of streams" with regards to Wii vs PS360 sales in the U.S.? I know talk of that has died down during the Wii's "down" year but this month's NPD makes me wonder.
ThatObviousUser
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amtentori said:
Whoah, really? Ridiculous.
Silent Hill number is sad but word-of-mouth might cushion it over the next few months.
Little Green Yoda
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SapientWolf said:
NSMB is really that hard, huh? :lol
lordoftherink
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MadWorld's combat was motion control based.Little Green Yoda said:
Mr. Pointy
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Anyone have a total on Scribblenauts? I imagine 5th Cell and Warner are fairly happy about that one.
elrechazado
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borderlands passed that a while agoTurtleSnatcher said:
thestopsign
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amtentori said:
Could you link to that? I'm almost positive that the Excitebots # is wrong.